Rockford LCN - help with opinions and direction

[Patrickgold]

Rockford is obviously not a priority.

I'll give you one guess why.

There is obviously something there which was the point of this friggen thread until you hijacked it. The question is if it is a crew of the Outfit, a independent organization or a Sicilian organization.

This thread was started with a quote by me, in reference to me. I haven't hijacked anything. Quit whining like a little girl and making me out to be the bad guy.

Was it an Outfit crew? It's own family? Sicilian? Past tense. It's not anything now.

Coming from the guy that tried to turn this thread into a Dallas debate. Does this every get old for you? After all these years?

Apparently you don't understand the concept of tongue in cheek.

Yea you are the good guy. I’m sure everyone will agree with that statement. Just let it go. Your arguments are weak just like in the Buffalo thread and I highly doubt you have convinced anyone of your OPINION

[Patrickgold]

This is by no means a complete list but starting in 1962 theses are some of the Sicilian immigrants to Rockford, the year they arrived and what town in Sicily they came from. In some cases I added a little extra information. Remember, some of these men came with other family members- brothers, parents, etc. so the number of Sicilian immigrants to the area was staggering. Some of these families spread out to Beloit, Wisconsin and South Beloit, Illinois while others went to Rockton, Roscoe, Byron and Rochelle. I'm not saying all these men were connected to the Rockford LCN but many were.

Salvatore “Sam” Galluzzo 1962 ARAGONA confirmed LCN member, ran The Soccer Club gambling ring with brother Natale
Giacomo Rosolia 1962 MARSALA
Gaspare Artale 1963 ROCCAMENA said to be Mafia member in Sicily
Francesco, Ignazio and Gaetano Milone circa 1964 CORLEONE
Carlo Caruana 1965 ARAGONA
Vincenzo Calvanese 1966 ARAGONA
Ignazio Mazzarese circa 1966 MARSALA
Carl Seminerio 1966 ARAGONA owner of Little Italy Restaurant, front for narcotics. Underboss Buscemi fronted $80,000 for the business
Ignazio “Iggy” Seminerio 1966 ARAGONA owner of Little Italy Restaurant front for narcotics
Calogero Orifici 1966 UCRIA owner of Orifici’s Italian Foods
Giuseppe Barone 1966 UCRIA
Luciano Miceli late 1960s ALIA
Antonio Miceli late 1960s ALIA
Vito Gabriele circa 1967 MARSALA bought Pietro Alfano’s restaurant in Rockford in 1967 and called it Vito's Diner
Biagio DiPasquale 1967 ALIA
Antonino Cimino 1968 RIBERA
Francesco Cimino 1968 RIBERA his pizzeria was mentioned in Frank Buscemi’s FBI files
Antonio Tarara 1968 ARAGONA
Pietro Orlando circa 1969 VALGUARNERA
Benedetto Foto circa 1969 ROCCAMENA
Antonino “Dino” Laudicina 1969 MARSALA owner of Napoli’s Pizza and his financials were mentioned in Sebastian Gulotta’s FBI files
Diego Tarara circa 1969 ARAGONA
Antonio Radosta circa late 1960s VALGUARNERA
Calogero Lattuca early 1970s ARAGONA bought Giuseppi’s Restaurant from Rockford LCN boss Joe Zammuto LCN
Alberto Pipitone about 1971 MARSALA pizzeria owner in Rockton, Illinois
Giuseppe Ocello 1972 BURGIO distributed narcotics on behalf of Rockford LCN
Pietro Salamone circa 1972 ARAGONA
Alberto “Bino” Seminerio 1972 ARAGONA owner of Bino’s Restaurant, distributor of narcotics, possible Mafia member from Sicily
Alfonso DiGiacomo 1972 ARAGONA owner of Sam’s Pizza, distributor of narcotics
Salvatore DiGiacomo 1972 ARAGONA owner of Sam’s Pizza, distributor of narcotics
Michele Intravaia 1973 PALERMO his pizzeria Rosa’s Pizza mentioned in Sebastian Gulotta’s FBI files
Michele “Mike” Galluzzo 1973 ARAGONA by way of Belgium, owner of Sam’s Pizza
Natale Galluzzo circa 1973 ARAGONA by way of Belgium. With brother Sam, ran The Soccer Club gambling ring
Giovanni Frisella circa 1973 SAMBUCA his John’s Pizza distributed narcotics for Rockford LCN
Giuseppe Morreale late 1970s ARAGONA
Antonio Buscemi 1982 ARAGONA by way of Germany. Distributor of narcotics through Villa Di Roma restaurant
Angelo DiSciacca 1983 ARAGONA by way of Montreal, Canada owner of Luigi’s Pizza

Cavita, great list. Was there Sicilians coming to Rockford in the 1990s?

[cavita]

This is by no means a complete list but starting in 1962 theses are some of the Sicilian immigrants to Rockford, the year they arrived and what town in Sicily they came from. In some cases I added a little extra information. Remember, some of these men came with other family members- brothers, parents, etc. so the number of Sicilian immigrants to the area was staggering. Some of these families spread out to Beloit, Wisconsin and South Beloit, Illinois while others went to Rockton, Roscoe, Byron and Rochelle. I'm not saying all these men were connected to the Rockford LCN but many were.

Salvatore “Sam” Galluzzo 1962 ARAGONA confirmed LCN member, ran The Soccer Club gambling ring with brother Natale
Giacomo Rosolia 1962 MARSALA
Gaspare Artale 1963 ROCCAMENA said to be Mafia member in Sicily
Francesco, Ignazio and Gaetano Milone circa 1964 CORLEONE
Carlo Caruana 1965 ARAGONA
Vincenzo Calvanese 1966 ARAGONA
Ignazio Mazzarese circa 1966 MARSALA
Carl Seminerio 1966 ARAGONA owner of Little Italy Restaurant, front for narcotics. Underboss Buscemi fronted $80,000 for the business
Ignazio “Iggy” Seminerio 1966 ARAGONA owner of Little Italy Restaurant front for narcotics
Calogero Orifici 1966 UCRIA owner of Orifici’s Italian Foods
Giuseppe Barone 1966 UCRIA
Luciano Miceli late 1960s ALIA
Antonio Miceli late 1960s ALIA
Vito Gabriele circa 1967 MARSALA bought Pietro Alfano’s restaurant in Rockford in 1967 and called it Vito's Diner
Biagio DiPasquale 1967 ALIA
Antonino Cimino 1968 RIBERA
Francesco Cimino 1968 RIBERA his pizzeria was mentioned in Frank Buscemi’s FBI files
Antonio Tarara 1968 ARAGONA
Pietro Orlando circa 1969 VALGUARNERA
Benedetto Foto circa 1969 ROCCAMENA
Antonino “Dino” Laudicina 1969 MARSALA owner of Napoli’s Pizza and his financials were mentioned in Sebastian Gulotta’s FBI files
Diego Tarara circa 1969 ARAGONA
Antonio Radosta circa late 1960s VALGUARNERA
Calogero Lattuca early 1970s ARAGONA bought Giuseppi’s Restaurant from Rockford LCN boss Joe Zammuto LCN
Alberto Pipitone about 1971 MARSALA pizzeria owner in Rockton, Illinois
Giuseppe Ocello 1972 BURGIO distributed narcotics on behalf of Rockford LCN
Pietro Salamone circa 1972 ARAGONA
Alberto “Bino” Seminerio 1972 ARAGONA owner of Bino’s Restaurant, distributor of narcotics, possible Mafia member from Sicily
Alfonso DiGiacomo 1972 ARAGONA owner of Sam’s Pizza, distributor of narcotics
Salvatore DiGiacomo 1972 ARAGONA owner of Sam’s Pizza, distributor of narcotics
Michele Intravaia 1973 PALERMO his pizzeria Rosa’s Pizza mentioned in Sebastian Gulotta’s FBI files
Michele “Mike” Galluzzo 1973 ARAGONA by way of Belgium, owner of Sam’s Pizza
Natale Galluzzo circa 1973 ARAGONA by way of Belgium. With brother Sam, ran The Soccer Club gambling ring
Giovanni Frisella circa 1973 SAMBUCA his John’s Pizza distributed narcotics for Rockford LCN
Giuseppe Morreale late 1970s ARAGONA
Antonio Buscemi 1982 ARAGONA by way of Germany. Distributor of narcotics through Villa Di Roma restaurant
Angelo DiSciacca 1983 ARAGONA by way of Montreal, Canada owner of Luigi’s Pizza

Cavita, great list. Was there Sicilians coming to Rockford in the 1990s?

Not that I'm aware of. I know of a few that came within the last twenty years though and they were from the Palermo area.

[Villain]

Interesting observation. I'm wondering if Chicago was the only "Commission" that Rockford took their voice to and it stopped in the Windy City. On another note, I don't recall seeing anywhere that the call for Milwaukee's introduction to the Bonnano group in '78 had to go through Chicago. It appeared that Riela directly called Zito in Rockford for that to happen rather than Riela contacting Accardo for example first.
Also interesting is during Appalachian in 1957, LCN boss Tony Musso couldn't attend because of his health so he requested Frank Zito from Springfield represent them, not Chicago.

Thats some interesting info. To be honest I personally also have never seen some other family asking for a permission from Chicago to contact another family but when it came down to business, the situation was completely different like in the Giancana/Bonanno/Balistrieri problem, meaning protocol had to be followed and thats why Giancana got mad at Balistrieri for going first to Bonanno rather than Giancana. Theres even one convo regarding the same problem in which Balistrieri says that he would go against any family but not Chicago.

Another interesting thing which you mentioned is the Apalachin situation and that Rockford was represented by another family at the time. Even though this was a high level meeting, still it reminds me of a situation regarding a different and more low level meeting on the west coast, on which Giancana allegedly represented LA's interests while we all know that the Lukes allegedly represented them during one time period, but it seems that Chicago also never relinquished their influence or at least until Aiuppa and Cerone were still active, or until Fratianno flipped.

[Rat]

These Midwest guys sure love their crime families

How many internet arguments have their been about ___ Midwest Families power/viability compared to other families

[Pogo The Clown]

I don't know why I am even asking my time. The freakin prosecutor and LE investigators on the case openly said that this gambling ring was not an LCN operation. So in conclusion we have a pissant gambling bust from 15 YEARS AGO that at best had loose ties to Chicago and is now being used to prove there is a LCN family in Rockford.

Apparently you don’t listen from the guy that actually attended the trial. Prosecutors wanted too but the judge said no. So obviously if some newspaper reporter asked them if it is they are going to say no or risk a mistrial. Not hard to figure out. It’s not LCN but all the indicted have been listed as either associates or members in years past. Yea they were just independent criminals that had the operations running since 1980 when it was verified to be LCN but 20 years later it’s not. They couldn’t connect them to Chicago with the death of Frank Saladino and that is why they said it was not connected.

And apprently you can't read.


First: They made those statments when the arrests came down. Long before the trail or any such ruling by the judge.


Second: If Joe Saladino was a made member and all the other guys LCN Associates then it would have been mentioned in the indictment or in the articles after the arrests but it wasn't because they weren't. Hence why they couldn't bring it up at trial since the only loose LCN connection was with Frank Saladino and he was dead.


Third: The only LCN connection in this case was to Chicago (through Frank Saladino) and not some mythical Rockford family.


Fourth: It was a pissant gambling case from 15 years ago.


But you go right ahead and keep grasping at straws for why there is an LCN family in Rockford in 2021.

These Midwest guys sure love their crime families

How many internet arguments have their been about ___ Midwest Families power/viability compared to other families

Too many to count. But this is nothing. You should have the seen the rage on the forums back when it was first suggested and argued that Chicago was not on a level with any NY family and was on a 2nd tier with Philly, NE and NJ.


Pogo

[Snakes]

Second: If Joe Saladino was a made member and all the other guys LCN Associates then it would have been mentioned in the indictment or in the articles after the arrests but it wasn't because they weren't. Hence why they couldn't bring it up at trial since the only loose LCN connection was with Frank Saladino and he was dead.

This doesn't mean anything as the only case in Chicago that ever named defendants as made members was Family Secrets. I'm not saying that this means Rockford is viable (they aren't) it just can't be used to argue against it.

[Pogo The Clown]

Point taken on Chicago but PG was arguing that Joe Saladino and the others were members and associates of the Rockford family. Surely that would have been mention somewhere along the line if that were the case. In stead we have the prosecutor saying our right that is not an OC case.


Pogo

[Snakes]

From Nick Calabrese's threat assessment (August 2002):



Again, it doesn't mean much today as this is nearly 20 years gone but it shows that Rockford was still on their radar around the time of Family Secrets.

[Patrickgold]

Point taken on Chicago but PG was arguing that Joe Saladino and the others were members and associates of the Rockford family. Surely that would have been mention somewhere along the line if that were the case. In stead we have the prosecutor saying our right that is not an OC case.


Pogo

Are you just in complete denial? You think we are just saying that these guys are members and associates bc it sounds cool? This shit is documented. As I said before, Actually do some research on these individuals and then get back to us. When your called a lieutenant in the Rockford family in the 1980s then that usually doesn’t mean a “loose connection”. Frank Saladino was called the boss of the ROCKFORD LCN FAMILY in 2004 or 2005. Of course I know that doesn’t mean anything considering you had a underboss on tape saying Todaro is still the boss and there are 30 members but all of that is a complete lie. You know more then him.

[Patrickgold]

From Nick Calabrese's threat assessment (August 2002):



Again, it doesn't mean much today as this is nearly 20 years gone but it shows that Rockford was still on their radar around the time of Family Secrets.

This federal government document does not mean anything to pogo and wiseguy. But a newspaper article does. Of course only when it fits their narrative

[Patrickgold]

These Midwest guys sure love their crime families

How many internet arguments have their been about ___ Midwest Families power/viability compared to other families

I guess better late then never to keep the argument going. Goes way beyond the Midwest. I guess you must have missed the 5000 plus Buffalo thread. These arguments basically have to do with two people that know more then federal investigators, best selling authors and OC reporters like Scott B., and of course the underboss of Buffalo himself, Domenico Violi. Pogo and Wiseguy know more then him. He’s a liar. He never met with Todaro in Florida and he was wrong when he said Buffalo was still active and had 30 members bc if there was 30 members everyone would know the names and positions of those 30 members

[Wiseguy]

Yea you are the good guy. I’m sure everyone will agree with that statement. Just let it go. Your arguments are weak just like in the Buffalo thread and I highly doubt you have convinced anyone of your OPINION

This isn't about my opinion. The FBI hasn't recognized a family in Rockford in decades because there hasn't been one. Most here understand that. And those convinced Buffalo is still around will be rethinking things once enough time has gone by.

People may get sick of my anal-retentive, broken record, soap box ways, but I'll tell you this, left unchecked by somebody, posters like yourself would eventually have some people believing every family from coast to coast is still ticking. Hell, anyone who thinks Rockford is still around in 2021 would be open to any family still being around. Given enough time, I can picture you or others even coming up with Rockford charts, similar to how Milwaukee Phil did with Milwaukee or salviardi did with St. Louis years ago.

Are you just in complete denial? You think we are just saying that these guys are members and associates bc it sounds cool? This shit is documented. As I said before, Actually do some research on these individuals and then get back to us. When your called a lieutenant in the Rockford family in the 1980s then that usually doesn’t mean a “loose connection”. Frank Saladino was called the boss of the ROCKFORD LCN FAMILY in 2004 or 2005.

And for the four trillionth time, it's all about the context, which others who have made similar arguments leave out and which I don't think you even understand. William D'Elia and Pete Milano were referred to as "the boss" of the Bufalino and Los Angeles families when there were only a handful of guys left. There's not even a handful of members left in Rockford. That we're even debating this is beyond ridiculous.

And everyone here knows Pogo and myself go by the feds more than anyone. Their comments on the Buffalo family is one reason why we consider Violi's claim suspect.

[Patrickgold]

Yea you are the good guy. I’m sure everyone will agree with that statement. Just let it go. Your arguments are weak just like in the Buffalo thread and I highly doubt you have convinced anyone of your OPINION

This isn't about my opinion. The FBI hasn't recognized a family in Rockford in decades because there hasn't been one. Most here understand that. And those convinced Buffalo is still around will be rethinking things once enough time has gone by.

People may get sick of my anal-retentive, broken record, soap box ways, but I'll tell you this, left unchecked by somebody, posters like yourself would eventually have some people believing every family from coast to coast is still ticking. Hell, anyone who thinks Rockford is still around in 2021 would be open to any family still being around. Given enough time, I can picture you or others even coming up with Rockford charts, similar to how Milwaukee Phil did with Milwaukee or salviardi did with St. Louis years ago.

Are you just in complete denial? You think we are just saying that these guys are members and associates bc it sounds cool? This shit is documented. As I said before, Actually do some research on these individuals and then get back to us. When your called a lieutenant in the Rockford family in the 1980s then that usually doesn’t mean a “loose connection”. Frank Saladino was called the boss of the ROCKFORD LCN FAMILY in 2004 or 2005.

And for the four trillionth time, it's all about the context, which others who have made similar arguments leave out and which I don't think you even understand. William D'Elia and Pete Milano were referred to as "the boss" of the Bufalino and Los Angeles families when there were only a handful of guys left.

And everyone here knows Pogo and myself go by the feds more than anyone. Their comments on the Buffalo family is one reason why we consider Todaro's claim suspect.

I’m so glad your life dream is to ensure that these pesky posters don’t influence the minds of of people and make them think there are still LCN families outside of NYC. Snakes just posted a federal document talking about the Rockford LCN from the mid 2000s. But of course that doesn’t mean anything because it goes against your narrative right?

[Pogo The Clown]

People may get sick of my anal-retentive, broken record, soap box ways, but I'll tell you this, left unchecked by somebody, posters like yourself would eventually have some people believing every family from coast to coast is still ticking. Hell, anyone who thinks Rockford is still around in 2021 would be open to any family still being around. Given enough time, I can picture you or others even coming up with Rockford charts, similar to how Milwaukee Phil did with Milwaukee or salviardi did with St. Louis years ago.

We are arguing with the same guy who claimed on the old forum that Denver, Dallas and Madison were still around so yeah that would be the case.


Pogo