General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Antiliar]

I think Eboli was made, which is why Cullotta was told just to take it and not fight back. Eboli, from what I've read, was not well-liked.

[Snakes]

Have you guys checked out the "coffee with cullotta" videos on youtube? I just got around to them this week. At the very least he's a pretty damn funny and entertaining guy. Like your grouchy ass uncle.

He definitely gets confused on crew structure sometimes I.E who worked for who, but there is also some great knowledge and stories on there about Spilotro, John Difronzo, Louie Eboli, Willie Messino, Cerone, Accardo, Aiuppa, and many others.

Apparently he hated Joey Andriacchi and had a fight with him once, but wasn't' allowed to retaliate.

Says Aiuppa ordered hits like he was ordering a sandwich. When Cullotta was invited to speak with him once at a meeting (by spilotro) , he opted not to out of fear that if he knew anything about the topic at hand he was more likely to be killed if something went sideways. Can't argue with that.

Also interesting that Spilotro is always labeled as this blood thirsty killer. Reality seems that he was pretty much just a tough outfit guy who was willing to commit murder when absolutely needed. I don't think he took pleasure in it like a Mad Sam.

Cullotta also tells a story in his book about getting into an altercation with Louie Eboli where he struck him. Eboli beefed to Lombardo and was wanting to kill Cullotta but Lombardo told him that he would have to settle for just beating Cullotta's ass in retaliation. If I remember the story correctly.

Yeah, I remember the story going that way as well. I’m not sure whether Eboli was made at that point. I doubt that they would have let Culotta put his hands on him and live to tell about it if so. Although I suppose ultimately it was Joey’s call and he may have decided Eboli had it coming.

Culotta was always going to tell his side of the story for posterity, but I don’t doubt that he was a tough SOB and I’m sure resented that made guys could throw their weight around when he felt he could whip their ass man to man.

I recall Culotta saying that Joey O would have a ham sandwich whacked. I wouldn’t want to be at a meeting like that with Aiuppa if I were a nobody either, could easily wind up trunk music for any little thing.

In spite of the corny trappings of the “Coffee with Culotta” thing, I enjoyed watching Frank. Old school Chicago goomba accent that reminds me of my youth. They don’t make em like that anymore.

So, I went back and looked it up in the book and revised the story in my post but the basic premise is still there.

[PolackTony]

I think Eboli was made, which is why Cullotta was told just to take it and not fight back. Eboli, from what I've read, was not well-liked.

That’s the impression I get. Red Wemette’s accounts concur with the picture from Culotta, that Louie was a prick. I figure him for something of a spoiled brat with a chip on his shoulder, given who his father was and that Aiuppa was apparently fond of him.

[Snakes]

I think Eboli was made, which is why Cullotta was told just to take it and not fight back. Eboli, from what I've read, was not well-liked.

I think it's because there was a perception that he was only in that position because of his relatives (Tommy Eboli, Guido DeChiaro). I remember also reading that he had a sportsbook in the late seventies that did poorly for a time so he just welched on the payments and stopped taking bets.

[PolackTony]

Have you guys checked out the "coffee with cullotta" videos on youtube? I just got around to them this week. At the very least he's a pretty damn funny and entertaining guy. Like your grouchy ass uncle.

He definitely gets confused on crew structure sometimes I.E who worked for who, but there is also some great knowledge and stories on there about Spilotro, John Difronzo, Louie Eboli, Willie Messino, Cerone, Accardo, Aiuppa, and many others.

Apparently he hated Joey Andriacchi and had a fight with him once, but wasn't' allowed to retaliate.

Says Aiuppa ordered hits like he was ordering a sandwich. When Cullotta was invited to speak with him once at a meeting (by spilotro) , he opted not to out of fear that if he knew anything about the topic at hand he was more likely to be killed if something went sideways. Can't argue with that.

Also interesting that Spilotro is always labeled as this blood thirsty killer. Reality seems that he was pretty much just a tough outfit guy who was willing to commit murder when absolutely needed. I don't think he took pleasure in it like a Mad Sam.

Cullotta also tells a story in his book about getting into an altercation with Louie Eboli where he struck him. Eboli beefed to Lombardo and was wanting to kill Cullotta but Lombardo told him that he would have to settle for just beating Cullotta's ass in retaliation. If I remember the story correctly.

Yeah, I remember the story going that way as well. I’m not sure whether Eboli was made at that point. I doubt that they would have let Culotta put his hands on him and live to tell about it if so. Although I suppose ultimately it was Joey’s call and he may have decided Eboli had it coming.

Culotta was always going to tell his side of the story for posterity, but I don’t doubt that he was a tough SOB and I’m sure resented that made guys could throw their weight around when he felt he could whip their ass man to man.

I recall Culotta saying that Joey O would have a ham sandwich whacked. I wouldn’t want to be at a meeting like that with Aiuppa if I were a nobody either, could easily wind up trunk music for any little thing.

In spite of the corny trappings of the “Coffee with Culotta” thing, I enjoyed watching Frank. Old school Chicago goomba accent that reminds me of my youth. They don’t make em like that anymore.

So, I went back and looked it up in the book and revised the story in my post but the basic premise is still there.

Yeah that makes sense. Similar to the thing with Joey A. I wouldn’t be surprised if Frank could’ve flexed either one of them but it would’ve been a death sentence.

[PolackTony]

I think Eboli was made, which is why Cullotta was told just to take it and not fight back. Eboli, from what I've read, was not well-liked.

I think it's because there was a perception that he was only in that position because of his relatives (Tommy Eboli, Guido DeChiaro). I remember also reading that he had a sportsbook in the late seventies that did poorly for a time so he just welched on the payments and stopped taking bets.

My impression is that Big Sam Ariola was also made under Pranno, but I don’t recall know whether I’ve ever seen that confirmed?

[funkster]

Coffee with Culotta was entertaining enough. Much like as with Sammy's though, when he strayed into politics i was turning it off.

[Antiliar]

I think Eboli was made, which is why Cullotta was told just to take it and not fight back. Eboli, from what I've read, was not well-liked.

I think it's because there was a perception that he was only in that position because of his relatives (Tommy Eboli, Guido DeChiaro). I remember also reading that he had a sportsbook in the late seventies that did poorly for a time so he just welched on the payments and stopped taking bets.

My impression is that Big Sam Ariola was also made under Pranno, but I don’t recall know whether I’ve ever seen that confirmed?

According to this source (NY T-200) he was made:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... rch=ariola

[Villain]

The video regarding Dutch Shultz's lost treasure reminded me of this article....

[SolarSolano]

I actually know a bit on this dynamic. Guido was an exceptionally low-key guy who I believe was from the east coast like Tommy Ryan. He and Tommy Ryan married sisters. The sisters brother was Big Sam Ariola, who was essentially a thug and bully. Guido was partnered with Nick Visco and they controlled all the vending and pinball machines All American Amusements - throughout Chicago.

Big Sam, Louie Eboli and his brothers were all known as bullies. But they were used as front men for Guido's companies and became wealthy because of that (as opposed to working like most guys). They got in trouble for being too violent with a guy - and I believe that was Louie's reputation - quick to give a beating and run to his uncle Guido if there was trouble. When the new regime took over in the 70s, I always wondered if Eboli was behind that attempted hit on his uncle or blessed it or had some involvement in it, etc. I believe Guido's son in law was killed instead of him - and he clearly left his rackets or gave them up after that and faded away.

Guido was also close with Gene "the Baker" Albano - Guido would hold court at Albano's bakeshop in Elmwood Park from what I've been reading. I've always wondered if he, like Visco and Gudio, were 'mustaches' or old made guys.

[Villain]

When Ricca went to jail in 59, Guido Dechiaro started having a lot of problems with Giancana and most of his ops at the time were absorbed by Pranno and other crews

[SolarSolano]

He was still expanding into new territories into the 1960s and early 70s. They would actually sue townships to allow gambling machines and pinball machines to be allowed. I believe Guido may have stepped back - or maybe had to give some things up, but he never left his racket until they hit his son in law.

[Villain]

He was still expanding into new territories into the 1960s and early 70s. They would actually sue townships to allow gambling machines and pinball machines to be allowed. I believe Guido may have stepped back - or maybe had to give some things up, but he never left his racket until they hit his son in law.

Yes and I agree but as i previously stated, the problems he had with the younger generation probably stopped him in becoming an official overseer for some western suburbs or even a capo. When Ricca got released in 1961, i doubt that DeChiaro was in the same bad situation....btw what year did the murder attempt on his son in law occur?

[SolarSolano]

Actually his son in law Michael Urgo (who was an attorney) was killed - they were attempting to hit or kidnap Guido outside his home in Elmwood Park and his son in the law foiled it but was shot in the chest and killed. This was in 1960 so I guess a year before Ricca was out - I have to assume there is a story here in terms of what happened when Ricca came out. I believed Elmwood Park was sacred territory.

[Antiliar]

Another random subject: I know there has been debate on whether or not Butch Petrocelli was made but I don't think he was. He was put under Rocky Infelise (who was in turn under Ferriola) in 1979, and Rocky wasn't made until '83. I wouldn't imagine they'd put a made guy under a non-made guy but then again, the Outfit wasn't a stickler for formalities.

I was re-reading Scarpelli and he said that Petrocelli was his immediate boss when he was killed at the end of 1980 and when Tony Borsellino was killed a year earlier. He also said that he was Ferriola's top lieutenant.