JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:34 pm
I know I'm late to comment about matty....
But I believe a huge reason he wasn't made was because he was very well known as a coleman. He was Nicky Barnes connect.
Is that how he got busted?? Thru Nicky flipping?? I thought I remembered Nicky wouldn't flip on Matty
I think it even was written how he changed his ways after doing the 20 year stretch. Obviously not to much but it is what it is. Very well respect ed non the less
Here's the details behind Madonna's arrest in 1976:
In the spring of 1976, Joseph Boriello brought back from Thailand to Salvadore Larca in New York, a codefendant of Madonna, a sample of heroin which, when tested, was found to be pure. Larca authorized Joseph Boriello to return to Bangkok to buy a kilogram of heroin. Boriello returned to New York in June, 1976, with the kilogram of heroin, and it was sold here for $100,000. A second trip was then organized. Larca supplied Boriello with four false bottom suitcases and a budget of $100,000 for the purchase of 10 kilograms of heroin, travel expenses for himself and two couriers. Boriello secured Jan Portman and Eugene Travers for the latter task. In July, 1976, he returned to Bangkok to purchase the heroin. When the couriers arrived, the heroin was packed in the false bottom suitcases. Boriello left Bangkok on August 16, 1976; the two couriers, carrying the heroin and travelling separately, left for New York the next day. Both were arrested in Honolulu and immediately agreed to cooperate. Most of the heroin Travers carried was replaced with a substitute. On August 19, 1976, he flew to New York with two government agents, with the substituted substance, along with approximately 32 grams of heroin, packed in two of the suitcases.
The same day, Madonna, under the name of Paul de Robertis, rented a red Ford Granada from Hertz at New York's LaGuardia airport. He drove the car from the airport to a parking lot near his home where he left it. On August 20, 1976, Boriello contacted Travers at the latter's apartment in the Bronx. After telling Travers to wait for further instructions, Boriello went to Larca's home where he met with Larca and Madonna. Larca took Boriello to the parking lot to pick up the red Ford Granada that Madonna had rented and parked there the day before. Larca told Boriello to pick up the heroin and deliver it in the Hertz car at 5:00 p.m. to 58th Street and Fifth Avenue, across from F.A.O. Schwarz.
Boriello went to Travers' apartment and took possession of the suitcases that he believed were filled with heroin. While he was loading the suitcases into the trunk of the car, he was arrested. He immediately agreed to cooperate. Boriello then proceeded to the Manhattan rendezvous under government surveillance. He was met by Madonna and Larca. Boriello gave Madonna the keys to the Hertz car. Larca gave Boriello the keys to Larca's car and told Boriello to go home to wait for a call. Madonna entered the car on the driver's side and Larca on the passenger side, at which point both were arrested. Madonna advised the arresting officers that he was Paul de Robertis but subsequently used his real name.
Madonna's defense was lack of knowledge and intent; he claimed that he was innocently accompanying Larca and knew nothing about the heroin. Because of that defense, the government was permitted to adduce through the testimony of Nicholas Visceglie, then under sentence on a state conviction, that he had been involved in 1972 with Madonna and Larca in a deal to buy 10 kilograms of heroin for $200,000, but he and his partner could not raise the cash and the deal was called off.
Interestingly enough, Nicky Barnes DID flip on Madonna, but it was after the fact. He gave info to the feds and they put him in a cell next to Matty when they called Matty in to testify in front of a grand jury back in 81:
On December 2, 1986, alleging the same claims as he had in his Pennsylvania habeas petition, Madonna filed an independent action in the Southern District pursuant to Rule 60(b) (2) seeking vacatur of his contempt citation. Madonna's evidence that the government had fraudulently misrepresented its reasons for procuring Madonna's grand jury testimony consisted of two documents from the files of the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) annexed to his complaint. The first summarizes an interview conducted in July 1981 in which Barnes, the government informant, told a DEA agent that he believed Madonna was "still involved in the trafficking of multi-kilogram amounts of heroin." He said he believed that "more information could be obtained concerning ... Madonna's activities" if a meeting could be arranged between himself and Madonna. The second document is a summary of an interview conducted in October 1981, in which government agents told Barnes that a grand jury was being convened in the Southern District and that several convicted heroin traffickers would be subpoenaed to testify. Barnes was told he, too, would be called. No reference was made to Madonna.
Madonna also alleges that, when he was transferred from Pennsylvania to New York City to appear before the grand jury, he was placed in a cell next to Nicky Barnes. Madonna claims that Barnes then solicited his participation in a large sale of heroin, but he declined. Madonna further points out that AUSA Tendy, who had sought the contempt order, also supervised Barnes's cooperation with the government.
JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:34 pm
I know I'm late to comment about matty....
But I believe a huge reason he wasn't made was because he was very well known as a coleman. He was Nicky Barnes connect.
Is that how he got busted?? Thru Nicky flipping?? I thought I remembered Nicky wouldn't flip on Matty
I think it even was written how he changed his ways after doing the 20 year stretch. Obviously not to much but it is what it is. Very well respect ed non the less
Matty was a mid level junk dealer BUT the real deal was his older brother i think his name was frank he was the one who had the contcts to get the H.Even before matty went to prison he was already a kilo man (mid level).He meets nicky barnes in prison and when they get out they both hit the ground running.
Matty got caught because he started his own pipe line to thailand he would just send guys and they would fill their suitcases with heroin.Keep in mind this was the 70s so it was much easier to do something like that.His arrest had nothing to do with nicky barnes.
Wait he met Barnes while doing the 20 year bid??
And after did the bid he got bigger???
I remembered reading he changed hismstyle after Nicky flipped
According to Barnes' autobiography, Madonna and Barnes became friends in prison when they were both doing time in Green Haven back in the 60s. Madonna was doing 20 years for murder.
It’s interesting he didn’t say anything about the Westside. That crew went to Petey Red . It’s amazing how almost no one will spill the beans about the Westside
I admit that i enjoy The MBA and the Buttonman. John Pennisi seems to be a credible source. It's also nice hearing shit that's not from the 60s, 70s, 80s or 90s anymore. Being more current, that's one of the things I like about it. It is one of the best reference points for news relating to LCN after 2010. Pennisi also doesn't come off like a complete ass like Borrello or Alite.
don-shunter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:12 am
Vics wife died in 2012 so who does the money at Xmas time go to now? You would think his kids are secure with their own finances.
I wonder if anything goes to Vics brother Bobby's wife , They still live in a nice house In HB !?!? Maybe lil Joe's wife gets something? I wonder... Thats a great question
Hired_Goonz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:23 am
The one that I found the most intriguing was the comment about Madonna. That he owes his position to getting close to Amuso in prison. Is that true? Vic went down in 1992 I believe, so he went in as Madonna was winding down his long sentence. I'm not sure what facility Amuso was initially sent to but it definitely would have been a USP. Would Matty have still been in high-security 16 or 17 years into his bid? I would be interested to know the details behind this.
Also, was Madonna on record with the Lucchese family before he got locked up? Hard to imagine that he would have been running around in the 70s pushing that H as a free agent.
Some of these guys really don't save a penny ! Madonna was basically a living legend, He supplied ridiculous amounts of dope to Nicky Barnes and God knows who else, Did 20 years inside and at least says he's basically broke and can't kick up 5G at Xmas ! Has to go borrow the money? Thats insane,But then again not really since these guys spend everything trying to look like they have a money tree in they're backyard . This guy was ,At least I thought a multi millionaire many times over
Bklyn21 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:08 pm
Some of these guys really don't save a penny ! Madonna was basically a living legend, He supplied ridiculous amounts of dope to Nicky Barnes and God knows who else, Did 20 years inside and at least says he's basically broke and can't kick up 5G at Xmas ! Has to go borrow the money? Thats insane,But then again not really since these guys spend everything trying to look like they have a money tree in they're backyard . This guy was ,At least I thought a multi millionaire many times over
Does these "broke earners" gamble, especially high stakes? If they do then it's easy to blow a shit ton of money, FAST. Even if you make millions moving smack, if you play ten grand a hand at some card game it's gonna run out right quick.
Bklyn21 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:08 pm
Some of these guys really don't save a penny ! Madonna was basically a living legend, He supplied ridiculous amounts of dope to Nicky Barnes and God knows who else, Did 20 years inside and at least says he's basically broke and can't kick up 5G at Xmas ! Has to go borrow the money? Thats insane,But then again not really since these guys spend everything trying to look like they have a money tree in they're backyard . This guy was ,At least I thought a multi millionaire many times over
Does these "broke earners" gamble, especially high stakes? If they do then it's easy to blow a shit ton of money, FAST. Even if you make millions moving smack, if you play ten grand a hand at some card game it's gonna run out right quick.
Many wiseguys have gambling addictions. I guess running a gambling operation is sort of like being a drug dealer in the sense that you're dealing with something highly addictive, and it's easy to break the cardinal rule of never getting high on your own supply, so to speak.
In Al D'Arco's book he says that Joe DiPalermo would set up a heroin deal, blow all the money gambling, and then have to set up another deal. It was a continuous cycle that was only interrupted by stints in prison.
I also remember someone saying that Lefty Ruggiero was a decent earner, but he gambled away all his money and basically lived in poverty.
But, with the way that forfeiture laws work in this country there isn't much sense in trying to save money if you're a wiseguy. The government is going to confiscate everything you own when they hit you with a RICO indictment. Might as well spend it while you've got it.
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Bklyn21 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:08 pm
Some of these guys really don't save a penny ! Madonna was basically a living legend, He supplied ridiculous amounts of dope to Nicky Barnes and God knows who else, Did 20 years inside and at least says he's basically broke and can't kick up 5G at Xmas ! Has to go borrow the money? Thats insane,But then again not really since these guys spend everything trying to look like they have a money tree in they're backyard . This guy was ,At least I thought a multi millionaire many times over
Does these "broke earners" gamble, especially high stakes? If they do then it's easy to blow a shit ton of money, FAST. Even if you make millions moving smack, if you play ten grand a hand at some card game it's gonna run out right quick.
Many wiseguys have gambling addictions. I guess running a gambling operation is sort of like being a drug dealer in the sense that you're dealing with something highly addictive, and it's easy to break the cardinal rule of never getting high on your own supply, so to speak.
In Al D'Arco's book he says that Joe DiPalermo would set up a heroin deal, blow all the money gambling, and then have to set up another deal. It was a continuous cycle that was only interrupted by stints in prison.
I also remember someone saying that Lefty Ruggiero was a decent earner, but he gambled away all his money and basically lived in poverty.
But, with the that forfeiture laws work in this country there isn't much sense in trying to save money if you're a wiseguy. The government is going confiscate everything you own when they hit you with a RICO indictment. Might as well spend it while you've got it.
Ivan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:43 am
You guys are cracking me up. For some reason I just cannot picture a made man in Cosa Nostra riding a bicycle. My brain just can't do it.
DeSantis is a killer, eh? What hits was he involved in? I'm not familiar.
As far as the hits, he was going to be the designated trigger puller on the D'Arco hit until Al stormed out of the door and blew their opportunity. On top of that, he was involved in the hit of a union official they lured out to Jersey - I think John Morrissey maybe? And allegedly another one in Brooklyn but I can't recall the details on that, other than he was there and it was a Pagliarulo crew murder. DeSantis is a Brooklyn guy and I'm almost positive he was with that Pagliarulo crew who did not shy away from murder at all.
If I recall correctly he fucked up the Morrissey murder by digging the grave too short.
DeSantis and Pagliarulo were given the contract to kill Angelo Sigona in December 1988, he dug the grave in the John Morrissey murder in September 1989, and he was a conspirator in the murder of James Bishop in May 1990. Then there's the conspirary to kill D'Arco in 1991 as well.
'You don't go crucifying people outside a church; not on Good Friday.'
watching the penissi podcast on youtube this morning some quick bits found interesting. frank lastorino is still around and is in good health. vic amuso put him on the shelf and hes in bad standing because he killed pat testa and was part of a conspiray to kill bobby amsuo. he was doing this on casso orders. kinda revealing. so amuso caught wind of this and probaly why he broke casso down as underboss. im beating casso was also behind trying to kill neil migliore. penissi says he meet with frank lasorino around 2013 and he had a bag with him he thought for sure it was a pistol. he was told by joe b to stay away from big frank he also says gaspipe was behind fat petes sister shooting.... interesting
Pmac2 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:12 am
watching the penissi podcast on youtube this morning some quick bits found interesting. frank lastorino is still around and is in good health. vic amuso put him on the shelf and hes in bad standing because he killed pat testa and was part of a conspiray to kill bobby amsuo. he was doing this on casso orders. kinda revealing. so amuso caught wind of this and probaly why he broke casso down as underboss. im beating casso was also behind trying to kill neil migliore. penissi says he meet with frank lasorino around 2013 and he had a bag with him he thought for sure it was a pistol. he was told by joe b to stay away from big frank he also says gaspipe was behind fat petes sister shooting.... interesting
He has also thrown a bit of cold water on the idea that Gaspipe was really calling all the shots at that time.
Nick Prango wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:30 am
I admit that i enjoy The MBA and the Buttonman. John Pennisi seems to be a credible source. It's also nice hearing shit that's not from the 60s, 70s, 80s or 90s anymore. Being more current, that's one of the things I like about it. It is one of the best reference points for news relating to LCN after 2010. Pennisi also doesn't come off like a complete ass like Borrello or Alite.
