Sammy gravano making a fool of himself

[CabriniGreen]

I dont buy anything he says outside of things he testified to and told the feds in the proffer meetings. Gravano is on a money grab and will twist any story to benefit himself and his content.

I actually like it, but I honestly dont understand the point of his content. He has a finite amount of material to run through before there nothing to talk about.....

All these guys are off in their calculations, imo.

They want to capitalize off their criminal exploits, while simultaneously denouncing it all.

They need to be capitalizing on the same thing that got them far in the street, charisma. They need to be following like, Joe Rogan. Talk to everyone, all walks of life, not every ex criminal or cooperator you can find.

I said before, official gangsters CANT talk to em, Real Law Enforcement WONT talk to em. So wheres it supposed to go, when you run out of cooperstors?



Rogan is a combat sports specialist, an MMA guy, but hell talk to scientist about whether Bigfoot is real, Dragons, Elon Musk, politicians from both sides, comedians, actors, ex special forces guys, like an eclectic array of content. Huge following.....


I dont know about Gene or Alite, but I could see Sammy making a Tyson-like pivot in the podcast game. Hes got personality........

[gaspipe]

Opened the new podcast saying he never killed a kid or civilians.

[Stroccos]

Opened the new podcast saying he never killed a kid or civilians.

If the 16 year old was in a rival gang he wasn’t a civilian

[Amershire_Ed]

If these guys really wanted to maximize the profit margins on being ex wiseguys, they should pitch MTV or some network on a Real World type show. Real World: Wiseguys.

They could get Alite, Borrello, Franzese, Sammy, Mikey Scars, Jimmy Colandra, Anthony Arilotta, John Pennisi, and whoever else. Make the whole lot of ‘em live together in some big house somewhere. Make ‘em work a job as Camp counselors or bartenders or ice cream shop workers or some shit. And just make sure the cameras are running. It’d be like Jersey Shore meets Real World meets Jerry Springer.

I’m dead serious. One season would probably net these guys $50,000-$100,000 each, and then they could parlay it into some other shit. But they aren’t gonna see any kinda scratch like that from these podcasts. Sitting around trading war stories on a pod where they always end up being the toughest gangster just doesn’t seem to be all that profitable.

[TallGuy19]

If these guys really wanted to maximize the profit margins on being ex wiseguys, they should pitch MTV or some network on a Real World type show. Real World: Wiseguys.

They could get Alite, Borrello, Franzese, Sammy, Mikey Scars, Jimmy Colandra, Anthony Arilotta, John Pennisi, and whoever else. Make the whole lot of ‘em live together in some big house somewhere. Make ‘em work a job as Camp counselors or bartenders or ice cream shop workers or some shit. And just make sure the cameras are running. It’d be like Jersey Shore meets Real World meets Jerry Springer.

I’m dead serious. One season would probably net these guys $50,000-$100,000 each, and then they could parlay it into some other shit. But they aren’t gonna see any kinda scratch like that from these podcasts. Sitting around trading war stories on a pod where they always end up being the toughest gangster just doesn’t seem to be all that profitable.

Mikey DeRosa actually tried to do that. He had a group of informants living in a house together, and he tried to turn it into a reality show. I don't believe it ever got off the ground though.

Here's a trailer for the show:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RtsE8he7kxs

[Dave65827]

It’s crazy how the lowest level guys now get book and movie deals


Maybe all those Scorsese movies went to these guises heads

[Amershire_Ed]

If these guys really wanted to maximize the profit margins on being ex wiseguys, they should pitch MTV or some network on a Real World type show. Real World: Wiseguys.

They could get Alite, Borrello, Franzese, Sammy, Mikey Scars, Jimmy Colandra, Anthony Arilotta, John Pennisi, and whoever else. Make the whole lot of ‘em live together in some big house somewhere. Make ‘em work a job as Camp counselors or bartenders or ice cream shop workers or some shit. And just make sure the cameras are running. It’d be like Jersey Shore meets Real World meets Jerry Springer.

I’m dead serious. One season would probably net these guys $50,000-$100,000 each, and then they could parlay it into some other shit. But they aren’t gonna see any kinda scratch like that from these podcasts. Sitting around trading war stories on a pod where they always end up being the toughest gangster just doesn’t seem to be all that profitable.

Mikey DeRosa actually tried to do that. He had a group of informants living in a house together, and he tried to turn it into a reality show. I don't believe it ever got off the ground though.

Here's a trailer for the show:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RtsE8he7kxs

Haha holy shit I had no idea.

If I were them, I’d look at it like this....it’s not like a single one of them has the best stories and are going to blow all the other ones away and earn all the attention in $$. They are all telling similar stories, just from different perspectives. Outside of Hootie and Arilotta, they are all exaggerating and putting extra mustard on their hot dog. They are all chasing the same internet $ so to speak.

I genuinely believe their best bet at earning real cash would be doing something together. But I also believe it would have to involve them stepping way out of their comfort zones. Like some Dancing with the Stars/Survivor/Real Word/Road Rules challenge stuff.

[Nick Prango]

If these guys really wanted to maximize the profit margins on being ex wiseguys, they should pitch MTV or some network on a Real World type show. Real World: Wiseguys.

They could get Alite, Borrello, Franzese, Sammy, Mikey Scars, Jimmy Colandra, Anthony Arilotta, John Pennisi, and whoever else. Make the whole lot of ‘em live together in some big house somewhere. Make ‘em work a job as Camp counselors or bartenders or ice cream shop workers or some shit. And just make sure the cameras are running. It’d be like Jersey Shore meets Real World meets Jerry Springer.

I’m dead serious. One season would probably net these guys $50,000-$100,000 each, and then they could parlay it into some other shit. But they aren’t gonna see any kinda scratch like that from these podcasts. Sitting around trading war stories on a pod where they always end up being the toughest gangster just doesn’t seem to be all that profitable.

Mikey DeRosa actually tried to do that. He had a group of informants living in a house together, and he tried to turn it into a reality show. I don't believe it ever got off the ground though.

Here's a trailer for the show:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RtsE8he7kxs

Haha holy shit I had no idea.

If I were them, I’d look at it like this....it’s not like a single one of them has the best stories and are going to blow all the other ones away and earn all the attention in $$. They are all telling similar stories, just from different perspectives. Outside of Hootie and Arilotta, they are all exaggerating and putting extra mustard on their hot dog. They are all chasing the same internet $ so to speak.

I genuinely believe their best bet at earning real cash would be doing something together. But I also believe it would have to involve them stepping way out of their comfort zones. Like some Dancing with the Stars/Survivor/Real Word/Road Rules challenge stuff.

That kind of show would be wild. These guys are sociopaths. They would kill eachother. They are all sociopaths. Borrello would get into fight with somebody on the second day, because of his big mouth.

[dack2001]

Yes, a My Blue Heaven type show where ex-wiseguys try to run a business together...who wouldn't watch that? Problem is that they would have a hard time keeping a lid on that type of production.

[TallGuy19]

I would have watched DeRosa's show. Both of those guys seem like insufferable douchebags, but the show would have been interesting. I'd love to hear stories about Froggy Galione and the other guys from that crew.

[Mustangsally]

Gravano started to lose me when he did the video of the Concrete Club and Roy DeMeo. A lot of what he said seemed a bit too convenient. Then his video on "Skinny Jimmy" Fratianno made it official. He straight up lied. Jimmy Fratianno, who was a stickler for the rules, breaks the introduction rule to meet a guy who was not even a made man. Of course Sammy said he was made, but his court testimony proves that he wasn't. So now I can't trust anything he says, at least after the Concrete Club video. He's lost his credibility with me. He's turned himself into the Forrest Gump of the Mafia who's in the middle of every important event to increase his views and likes on YouTube. Maybe he can get a million subscribers and start getting his own advertisers so he can make some real money.

He lied about DeMeo?

I asked about the Concrete thing... .. apparently he did (?) attend construction sitdowns on Paul's behalf, or no? I thought PoGo said he did.....

I don't know if he attended the Concrete Club meetings or not, but what he told Paul about DeMeo being a serial killer sounds fishy.

I thought he said DeMeos crew were grabbing random guys and killing them for "Practice", and he, I cant remember, I thought he was like, expressing a thought, "This guys turning into a serial killer". I didnt realize he was supposed to have told Castellano that.

If it's true about Galantes "Black man test", I think its possible DeMeos crew did some murders basically for fun, or as Gravano put it, practice.

The Frattianno one I havent seen, Frattianno was in NY?

DeMeo probably did murder people for fun. I don't have an issue with that. The book Murder Machine made it clear that that's exactly what he did. My issue is that some of the conversations, the dialogue, that Gravano claims to have happened sounds suspect. It sounds inauthentic like he's putting himself in the middle of things to make him seem more important than he was. Only Sammy the Bull had the insight to realize that the Concrete Club would end up sending everyone to prison. Only Sammy the Bull had the insight to realize DeMeo was a serial killer.

Yes, Fratianno was in New York. The famous photo of Fratianno with Frank Sinatra and Carlo Gambino was taken in New York. He talks about it in The Last Mafioso. If you read the book you will notice that protocol was very important to him. He traveled to Chicago and New York with Mike Rizzi, and there times when he had Rizzi sit outside the room or in a distant part of the room because he had not yet been made while he (Fratianno) spoke with other made members. Proper introductions are also discussed in that chapter. Yet 35 or so years later Gravano makes up his own story that contradicts what's already been written (and contradicts his own court testimony).

Fratianno started working for the feds in 1977. I dont know if that's around the same time as his supposed meeting with sammy at De Palmas club, but if he was wired for sound, I dont think he would be too concerned with mob protocol. He would be attempting to get connections and show his handlers he could deliver. I think De Palma was looked at as a soft target by the FBI. it wasn't the last time the feds infiltrated his circle.

[Antiliar]

Fratianno started working for the feds in 1977. I dont know if that's around the same time as his supposed meeting with sammy at De Palmas club, but if he was wired for sound, I dont think he would be too concerned with mob protocol. He would be attempting to get connections and show his handlers he could deliver. I think De Palma was looked at as a soft target by the FBI. it wasn't the last time the feds infiltrated his circle.

Fratianno started giving info to the feds in the late 1960s and became a testifying witness in 1977. There's no evidence he was ever wired up, and I already provided the timeline. Sammy lied.

[Pmac2]

he just did a youtube on the buffalo family sounds to me like hes making it up or it was someone else and hes acting like it was him. i wouldnt doubt if it was frank deccico who met with todaro jr and sr and probaly told sammy about it, now sammys telling it like it was him in the meeting i smell bullshit but who knows. maybe todaro jr will reply to this youtube video, he does interviews. bet he says they never met

[joeycigars]

Fratianno started working for the feds in 1977. I dont know if that's around the same time as his supposed meeting with sammy at De Palmas club, but if he was wired for sound, I dont think he would be too concerned with mob protocol. He would be attempting to get connections and show his handlers he could deliver. I think De Palma was looked at as a soft target by the FBI. it wasn't the last time the feds infiltrated his circle.

Fratianno started giving info to the feds in the late 1960s and became a testifying witness in 1977. There's no evidence he was ever wired up, and I already provided the timeline. Sammy lied.

I agree, Sammy went down the rabbit hole with the podcast , 90% true 10% red meat BS for the sheep, Wasnt Carlo Gambino there that night with Paul C ?, Why would Jimmy want to meet Sammy or even know who he is ?

[dave]

Fratianno started working for the feds in 1977. I dont know if that's around the same time as his supposed meeting with sammy at De Palmas club, but if he was wired for sound, I dont think he would be too concerned with mob protocol. He would be attempting to get connections and show his handlers he could deliver. I think De Palma was looked at as a soft target by the FBI. it wasn't the last time the feds infiltrated his circle.

Fratianno started giving info to the feds in the late 1960s and became a testifying witness in 1977. There's no evidence he was ever wired up, and I already provided the timeline. Sammy lied.

I agree, Sammy went down the rabbit hole with the podcast , 90% true 10% red meat BS for the sheep, Wasnt Carlo Gambino there that night with Paul C ?, Why would Jimmy want to meet Sammy or even know who he is ?

As Eld pointed out in the Los Angeles odds & ends thread, Fratianno stated in his book that he was at the Westchester Premiere Theater multiple times. Last time was in spring of '77. Sammy made no mention of Gambino or Castellano being there in his story.

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