General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Pogo The Clown]

Wasn't she also banging JFK at the same time she was with Giancana or is that one of those mob myths?


Pogo

[Villain]

Wasn't she also banging JFK at the same time she was with Giancana or is that one of those mob myths?


Pogo

I think it was another girl..i dont remember her name right now. Story goes that both JFK and GIancana also banged Monroe at the same time. I know theres one report which states that Giancana thought McGuire had an affair with one actor/comedian i think, and so he hired one CIA agent to bug her hotel room. The agent was caught by hotel security during the process and it became a huge scandal.

[Villain]

Speaking about Giancana, any of you guys ever compared pictures of Mooney and Solly D? Especially when they smile lol Back in the days Giancana was known for banging many members' wives and mothers lol

[PolackTony]

Wasn't she also banging JFK at the same time she was with Giancana or is that one of those mob myths?


Pogo

Probably thinking of Judith Exner.

[Pogo The Clown]

Yes that was the one. Thanks. If I remember right it was McGuire who was on that Crime Inc documentary from 1980s talking her relationship with Giacana.


Pogo

[PolackTony]

Yes that was the one. Thanks. If I remember right it was McGuire who was on that Crime Inc documentary from 1980s talking her relationship with Giacana.


Pogo

Nah, that was Judy Exner again.

[Pogo The Clown]

Thanks again. It has been a long time since I've seen that one


Pogo

[PolackTony]

Thanks again. It has been a long time since I've seen that one


Pogo

Always worth a rewatch. One thing that I find interesting is how Jerry DeNono referred to the Chicago crews as "families". While he was of course not a made member, it's always nice to have a glimpse into how guys at the ground level perceived the structure of the organization from their point of view.

[Villain]

Thanks Polack.

[Pogo The Clown]

Thanks again. It has been a long time since I've seen that one


Pogo

Always worth a rewatch. One thing that I find interesting is how Jerry DeNono referred to the Chicago crews as "families". While he was of course not a made member, it's always nice to have a glimpse into how guys at the ground level perceived the structure of the organization from their point of view.

Also interesting was him saying that only made members got a piece of the action and that associates had to engage in burglaries and robberies to make a living because they didn't get to share in the pot. Not sure what he was getting at there. I'm sure there were tons of associates who got to enjoy the profits of the gambling, loansharking, street tax and union rackets just like the made members.


Pogo

[PolackTony]

Thanks again. It has been a long time since I've seen that one


Pogo

Always worth a rewatch. One thing that I find interesting is how Jerry DeNono referred to the Chicago crews as "families". While he was of course not a made member, it's always nice to have a glimpse into how guys at the ground level perceived the structure of the organization from their point of view.

Also interesting was him saying that only made members got a piece of the action and that associates had to engage in burglaries and robberies to make a living because they didn't get to share in the pot. Not sure what he was getting at there. I'm sure there were tons of associates who got to enjoy the profits of the gambling, loansharking, street tax and union rackets just like the made members.


Pogo

He was getting at something that does square up with other Intel from Chicago informants though I think. It's a question I've been grappling with myself. Per my current understanding, one of the distinctive things about Chicago is that made members have the right to a share of the family profits. The way I've interpreted this is that once you were made you were entitled to run a franchise in partnership with your capo, who in turn was in partnership with the admin. So a made member is a "franchisee" and essentially a "shareholder" or stake holder in the family as a business enterprise. Associates/soldiers were instead "employees", who I'm sure were often paid by the made guy who they belonged to, but they didn't have any right to share directly in the profits of the franchise they worked for. So I'm sure lots of them had to steal and engage in other such activities to make ends meet or try to get ahead. I'd imagine how much you were getting paid might vary considerably depending on not just how lucrative the racket was but also the relationship you had with the made guy who served as your boss.

This to me seems like a good approximation of how the Outfit operated based on informant intel, at least in the past (60s/70s at the very least). There may be some reason to believe that this organizational model goes back to the days of the Capone gang, as my understanding is that the upper echelon members of the Capone organization, who sat on its "board of directors", were similarly considered shareholders entitled to a portion of the proceeds of the collective enterprise while the bulk of their operatives were paid employees. Such a pattern could have easily been adapted to reflect the status of inducted LCN members when the Capone organization and the Chicago mafia were merged. Though to be honest I don't really understand how the old Chicago mafia would've operated as a business model, so it's hard to say to what degree the Outfit also drew on those precedents. It'd would be useful I think to do a comparative study looking at practices in other US families at different time periods, as well as in Sicily.

[Pogo The Clown]

That makes sense. Good breakdown.


Pogo

[Sam22]

Thanks again. It has been a long time since I've seen that one


Pogo

Always worth a rewatch. One thing that I find interesting is how Jerry DeNono referred to the Chicago crews as "families". While he was of course not a made member, it's always nice to have a glimpse into how guys at the ground level perceived the structure of the organization from their point of view.

Speaking doc it is one of the better ones ever imo. Does anyone know what Gerry DeNono's story is? I got that he was associated with the north side crew but not much else. Maybe close with Caesar Divarco?

[aleksandrored]

She and Giancana remind me of this film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqci4-YVj7A

[motorfab]

She and Giancana remind me of this film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqci4-YVj7A

I love this movie