Cali article a la ed scarpo

[bronx]

makes sense

[brianwellbrock]

The days of the "don" as Burnstein calls everyone is over it seems. Yeah Gotti, Amuso and Persico may still be called the bosses but they dont run shit. Instead their is just guy on the streets who is calling the shots and at the same time giving certain other captains much leeway and having them represent that guy. As long as everybody is earning, Cali is rich enough to not need to know exactly how much a shybook in Jersey is making and may let those guys speak to Cefalu or someone else. The soliders probably could careless who is calling the shots as long as theyre not being dicked around for massive tributes. I mean the Sopranos actually had this concept 15 years ago, everyone knew Tony was in charge, Junior was the "boss" earned on a substinite level but had no say, Sil was number 2 weather it was UB or consiglierie, Pauly was next to him but only a captain officially. People know where they stand, who is in charge and who is calling the shots but it just isnt nice and neat when laid out on a chart.just like with women, once the label is put on is when the trouble begins

[Pogo The Clown]

I mean the Sopranos actually had this concept 15 years ago, everyone knew Tony was in charge, Junior was the "boss" earned on a substinite level but had no say, Sil was number 2 weather it was UB or consiglierie, Pauly was next to him but only a captain officially. People know where they stand, who is in charge and who is calling the shots but it just isnt nice and neat when laid out on a chart.just like with women, once the label is put on is when the trouble begins

It's me and then you and Sil together. That's the new pecking order.


Pogo

[Lupara]

I also never understood this constant harping on "front bosses" on the forums. This whole idea of a "front boss" is an internet creation and has never existed in reality.

Wasn't Salerno a front boss for the Chin?

Depends how ones defines the term. Cafaro explained it as Salerno runnnig things on the street for Gigante and representing the family as its Boss. Salerno was the most powerful man in the family behind Gigante. A better description of Salerno's role would be Acting Boss. However on the forums the term has morphed to mean some dumb powerless flunky who is just the fall guy for the real power. The reality could not have been farther from the truth for Salerno.


Pogo

I don't think acting boss is the right definition either since Gigante was very much a presence. Normally an acting boss is either the boss but indefinitely, such as Montagna was for the Bonannos, or it's someone acting for the official boss who's in jail. So a better desciption for Salerno would be underboss or street boss, although the latter doesn't appear to be a real title.

[TommyGambino]

The name, his blood lines, he was one of the biggest heroin traffickers in the country, still a high ranking guy. Certainly an interesting mobster, I only see a few people saying he's boss, not like he has a fanbase on the forums.

you are correct Tommy, i am neither a democrat nor republican.. nor a cali , cefalu or gambino.flag waver. just have some insight in benzina hursta..cefalu got his boost from jojo c. he was never from JG 's area. never an 18th ave guy..but he is sicilian and hence the confusion with posters ,press etc..

Dom was Queens right?

[Pogo The Clown]

I don't think acting boss is the right definition either since Gigante was very much a presence. Normally an acting boss is either the boss but indefinitely, such as Montagna was for the Bonannos, or it's someone acting for the official boss who's in jail. So a better desciption for Salerno would be underboss or street boss, although the latter doesn't appear to be a real title.

The thing is though is that Salerno was above the UnderBoss (Santora) in the pecking order. It was defnitely an unusual situation for sure.


Pogo

[bronx]

The name, his blood lines, he was one of the biggest heroin traffickers in the country, still a high ranking guy. Certainly an interesting mobster, I only see a few people saying he's boss, not like he has a fanbase on the forums.

you are correct Tommy, i am neither a democrat nor republican.. nor a cali , cefalu or gambino.flag waver. just have some insight in benzina hursta..cefalu got his boost from jojo c. he was never from JG 's area. never an 18th ave guy..but he is sicilian and hence the confusion with posters ,press etc..

Dom was Queens right?

yes

[Wiseguy]

Even though Chin was on the street himself, acting boss would apply to Salerno in the sense that he acted in Chin's stead much of the time, ie Commission meetings, meeting with members of families outside NY, ceremonies, etc.

Pogo made a good point about posters latching onto different mobsters at various times. And, as I've said before, I think this is fine if we have no official info from the feds or, to a lesser extent, journalists like Capeci, Anastasia, Raab, Robbins, etc.

Right now there is a thread on GBB about the current leadership of the Outfit. Considering certain dynamics have changed since those 2007 articles that gave us that info, as well as since the Sarno case, people are justified in giving their opinion since more recent official info hasnt come out yet.

The problem comes when people STILL think they are in a place to give their opinion on a guys position AFTER the official info has been given, as if they know better than the feds or have better sources or can read the tea leaves better than the journalists I mentioned above.

And the feds labeling Fat Tonys as the boss, or the guesses by some about Merlino being the boss happening to be right, are rather isolated examples and not really justification for people to ignore the feds, or put their opinions on the level of Capeci, whenever they feel like it.

[AustraliaSteve]

I also never understood this constant harping on "front bosses" on the forums. This whole idea of a "front boss" is an internet creation and has never existed in reality.

Wasn't Salerno a front boss for the Chin?

Depends how ones defines the term. Cafaro explained it as Salerno runnnig things on the street for Gigante and representing the family as its Boss. Salerno was the most powerful man in the family behind Gigante. A better description of Salerno's role would be Acting Boss. However on the forums the term has morphed to mean some dumb powerless flunky who is just the fall guy for the real power. The reality could not have been farther from the truth for Salerno.


Pogo

Well put, Pogo. You nailed it.

[AustraliaSteve]

The days of the "don" as Burnstein calls everyone ...

This is what kinda gets at me. Every third cunt's a criminal mastermind (sorry, I already made a post, but as everyone knows,we don't make mistakes here You say what you mean and you mean what you say :mgreen:) With the hero worship and aggrandizement, disregarding straight up respect for a guy that at least sticks to what he stands for, its an interesting dynamic when people rave about, then disavow certain figures. "Where did I say that I thought he was so awesome I'd totally suck his dick lol" ad nauseum.
Really though, who the fuck is Ed Scarpo??? Lieberman, whatever. He's practically appeared out of nowhere between 2012 and now. Cosa Nostra news or whatever? I thought that was Dapper Don?@?? I think he's connected with the "bitterqueen", Crawford? How the fuck is he getting these interviews with guys like DiLeonardo??? If they know about guys like Scarpo, why the fuck aren't they talking to guys like Capeci/Anastasia/Robbins etc? If someone could enlighten me here it'd be much appreciated.

[Rocco]

Looks like John Gambino is the new Nick Corozzo. Seems every few years on the forums certain posters latch onto a particular mobster and hype them up the best thing since sliced bread. These guy's become smarter and more old school than anyone else and are always the ones really running things in their respective families despite what the official info or any evidence says. In effect a cult develops around these guy's on the forums. We have seen it in the past with Nick Corozzo, Steve Crea, Andy Russo, Joe Massino and now I guess John Gambino.


I also never understood this constant harping on "front bosses" on the forums. This whole idea of a "front boss" is an internet creation and has never existed in reality.


Pogo

Sucks for Gambino then because look what that brought Nicky....lol

[phatmatress]

The days of the "don" as Burnstein calls everyone ...

This is what kinda gets at me. Every third cunt's a criminal mastermind (sorry, I already made a post, but as everyone knows,we don't make mistakes here You say what you mean and you mean what you say :mgreen:) With the hero worship and aggrandizement, disregarding straight up respect for a guy that at least sticks to what he stands for, its an interesting dynamic when people rave about, then disavow certain figures. "Where did I say that I thought he was so awesome I'd totally suck his dick lol" ad nauseum.
Really though, who the fuck is Ed Scarpo??? Lieberman, whatever. He's practically appeared out of nowhere between 2012 and now. Cosa Nostra news or whatever? I thought that was Dapper Don?@?? I think he's connected with the "bitterqueen", Crawford? How the fuck is he getting these interviews with guys like DiLeonardo??? If they know about guys like Scarpo, why the fuck aren't they talking to guys like Capeci/Anastasia/Robbins etc? If someone could enlighten me here it'd be much appreciated.

ive wondered this myself he did really come out no where and seems to be able to get people to talk to him. Dapper don has nothing to do with those sites. What was the name of dapper dons site it's been so long since I've even been to it I can't remember what it is.


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[Five Felonies]

What was the name of dapper dons site it's been so long since I've even been to it I can't remember what it is.

he gave the old forum a nice bump up in membership when he plugged the site...

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/

[toto]

After 1985 many of the bosses in Palermo received multiple life sentences and once they got arrested they remained official boss but they had zero power with absolutely no thought given about them. The acting boss or "reggente" became the real power and made all the decisions and took all the money. The reason for this was originally the idea the boss was boss for life and also because nobody in the commission really bothered to change the official bosses because this was Riina's decision.

After 1992 the commission was not really operating. It was only a few bosses who were making the decisions and let's be clear most of them were reggente or acting. They didn't care to push to change the official boss because it changed nothing in day to day affairs and the commission wasn't really operating which would give approval to such appointments. This continued until 2008 when they decided to create a new commission and re-organize the families.

New York looks to be in the position where Palermo was between 1985-2008. Nobody cares to change the official boss and the commission -if it still exists - doesn't bother to force the idea of appointing a new official boss.

[AustraliaSteve]

ive wondered this myself he did really come out no where and seems to be able to get people to talk to him. Dapper don has nothing to do with those sites. What was the name of dapper dons site it's been so long since I've even been to it I can't remember what it is.


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It must be either Five Families or NY Mafia News. Having looked, I think its this one? http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/

It looks familiar,but I maybe wrong.