The other families reaction to Joe Massino flipping

[Dave65827]

Hey I’m a relatively new lurker and this is my second post after I botched my first one. Great stuff on here big fan.

Just read up on Massino and was wondering if there was any documentation on Other families or within the Bonnano family getting the news that he had begun to cooperate. The only thing I got was a old newspaper article saying some guys where “fleeing NY city” but considering how devastating his cooperation was didn’t do much help.

Thanks if you guys could link to me something appreciate it

[NYNighthawk]

In Falcone's book Greg DePalma said - someone went bad! Falcone thought he was referring to him in his undercover FBI role but luckily discovered Greg meant Massino.
Anyone know what ever happened to Massino's restaurant Casa Blanca?

[SB1825]

In Falcone's book Greg DePalma said - someone went bad! Falcone thought he was referring to him in his undercover FBI role but luckily discovered Greg meant Massino.
Anyone know what ever happened to Massino's restaurant Casa Blanca?

https://qns.com/2016/04/former-mob-owne ... n-maspeth/

[Rat]

It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002

[TallGuy19]

It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002

Guys saw the deals that Al D'Arco and Sammy Gravano got and decided that getting killed or spending the rest of their lives in prison didn't make sense.

The passage of the RICO Act and the establishment of WITSEC changed everything for informants. For example, the only thing that Joe Valachi received for his unprecedented cooperation was protection and a slightly larger prison cell.

By contrast, Sammy Gravano was given a slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence, a new identity in a new state, protection for him and his family, and he was allowed to keep a sizable chunk of his blood money.

[Rat]

It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002

Guys saw the deals that Al D'Arco and Sammy Gravano got and decided that getting killed or spending the rest of their lives in prison didn't make sense.

The passage of the RICO Act and the establishment of WITSEC changed everything for informants. For example, the only thing that Joe Valachi received for his unprecedented cooperation was protection and a slightly larger prison cell.

By contrast, Sammy Gravano was given a slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence, a new identity in a new state, protection for him and his family, and he was allowed to keep a sizable chunk of his blood money.

I may be wrong but it seems like today, we hardly ever see the high-level guys flip.

[Shellackhead]

I think there was a rumor that guys that were made during Massino’s reign were not to be acknowledged as made guys.

[slimshady_007]

It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002

Guys saw the deals that Al D'Arco and Sammy Gravano got and decided that getting killed or spending the rest of their lives in prison didn't make sense.

The passage of the RICO Act and the establishment of WITSEC changed everything for informants. For example, the only thing that Joe Valachi received for his unprecedented cooperation was protection and a slightly larger prison cell.

By contrast, Sammy Gravano was given a slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence, a new identity in a new state, protection for him and his family, and he was allowed to keep a sizable chunk of his blood money.

I may be wrong but it seems like today, we hardly ever see the high-level guys flip.

I think that’s because mobsters nowadays aren’t facing life sentences like they were years ago. Back then in the 90’s- 2000’s, the government was charging high ranking guys left and right with murders, attempted murders, general mob violence etc. Those type of crimes usually lead to long prison sentence and sometimes might even get guys the death penalty. High ranking lcn members don’t flip of their facing 5-10 years, they flip when their facing life or lethal injection.

[Shellackhead]

It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002

Guys saw the deals that Al D'Arco and Sammy Gravano got and decided that getting killed or spending the rest of their lives in prison didn't make sense.

The passage of the RICO Act and the establishment of WITSEC changed everything for informants. For example, the only thing that Joe Valachi received for his unprecedented cooperation was protection and a slightly larger prison cell.

By contrast, Sammy Gravano was given a slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence, a new identity in a new state, protection for him and his family, and he was allowed to keep a sizable chunk of his blood money.

I may be wrong but it seems like today, we hardly ever see the high-level guys flip.

I think that’s because mobsters nowadays aren’t facing life sentences like they were years ago. Back then in the 90’s- 2000’s, the government was charging high ranking guys left and right with murders, attempted murders, general mob violence etc. Those type of crimes usually lead to long prison sentence and sometimes might even get guys the death penalty. High ranking lcn members don’t flip of their facing 5-10 years, they flip when their facing life or lethal injection.

I think they’re just more careful now and the most they would do is hurt a guy badly or shelve rather than clip them.

[SB1825]

It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002

Guys saw the deals that Al D'Arco and Sammy Gravano got and decided that getting killed or spending the rest of their lives in prison didn't make sense.

The passage of the RICO Act and the establishment of WITSEC changed everything for informants. For example, the only thing that Joe Valachi received for his unprecedented cooperation was protection and a slightly larger prison cell.

By contrast, Sammy Gravano was given a slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence, a new identity in a new state, protection for him and his family, and he was allowed to keep a sizable chunk of his blood money.

I may be wrong but it seems like today, we hardly ever see the high-level guys flip.

I think that’s because mobsters nowadays aren’t facing life sentences like they were years ago. Back then in the 90’s- 2000’s, the government was charging high ranking guys left and right with murders, attempted murders, general mob violence etc. Those type of crimes usually lead to long prison sentence and sometimes might even get guys the death penalty. High ranking lcn members don’t flip of their facing 5-10 years, they flip when their facing life or lethal injection.

I think they’re just more careful now and the most they would do is hurt a guy badly or shelve rather than clip them.

Yep, Pennisi said in one of his interviews something along the lines of, “If this was years ago we would kill you” when talking about shelving. So basically they would kill people if they could but since it draws too much heat they just put them on the shelf.

[Shellackhead]

It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002

Guys saw the deals that Al D'Arco and Sammy Gravano got and decided that getting killed or spending the rest of their lives in prison didn't make sense.

The passage of the RICO Act and the establishment of WITSEC changed everything for informants. For example, the only thing that Joe Valachi received for his unprecedented cooperation was protection and a slightly larger prison cell.

By contrast, Sammy Gravano was given a slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence, a new identity in a new state, protection for him and his family, and he was allowed to keep a sizable chunk of his blood money.

I may be wrong but it seems like today, we hardly ever see the high-level guys flip.

I think that’s because mobsters nowadays aren’t facing life sentences like they were years ago. Back then in the 90’s- 2000’s, the government was charging high ranking guys left and right with murders, attempted murders, general mob violence etc. Those type of crimes usually lead to long prison sentence and sometimes might even get guys the death penalty. High ranking lcn members don’t flip of their facing 5-10 years, they flip when their facing life or lethal injection.

I think they’re just more careful now and the most they would do is hurt a guy badly or shelve rather than clip them.

Yep, Pennisi said in one of his interviews something along the lines of, “If this was years ago we would kill you” when talking about shelving. So basically they would kill people if they could but since it draws too much heat they just put them on the shelf.

Exactly, as unconstitutional as the RICO laws are, that’s really the governments strongest weapons against organized crime, with 1 indictment you can literally dismantle an entire crew. So they just adapted with the times & stopped killing guys.

[slimshady_007]

It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002

Guys saw the deals that Al D'Arco and Sammy Gravano got and decided that getting killed or spending the rest of their lives in prison didn't make sense.

The passage of the RICO Act and the establishment of WITSEC changed everything for informants. For example, the only thing that Joe Valachi received for his unprecedented cooperation was protection and a slightly larger prison cell.

By contrast, Sammy Gravano was given a slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence, a new identity in a new state, protection for him and his family, and he was allowed to keep a sizable chunk of his blood money.

I may be wrong but it seems like today, we hardly ever see the high-level guys flip.

I think that’s because mobsters nowadays aren’t facing life sentences like they were years ago. Back then in the 90’s- 2000’s, the government was charging high ranking guys left and right with murders, attempted murders, general mob violence etc. Those type of crimes usually lead to long prison sentence and sometimes might even get guys the death penalty. High ranking lcn members don’t flip of their facing 5-10 years, they flip when their facing life or lethal injection.

I think they’re just more careful now and the most they would do is hurt a guy badly or shelve rather than clip them.

The only times a guy gets clipped is when it’s absolutely necessary. A perfect example would be Michael Meldish. He broke the rules several times and wasn’t showing proper respect to the bosses. Consider the rules he broke: arranging a Bonanno soldier to be shot, telling an acting boss to fuck off, and dating a girlfriend of an imprisoned boss. There’s no way that just shelving him would set the best example.

[TallGuy19]

It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002

Guys saw the deals that Al D'Arco and Sammy Gravano got and decided that getting killed or spending the rest of their lives in prison didn't make sense.

The passage of the RICO Act and the establishment of WITSEC changed everything for informants. For example, the only thing that Joe Valachi received for his unprecedented cooperation was protection and a slightly larger prison cell.

By contrast, Sammy Gravano was given a slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence, a new identity in a new state, protection for him and his family, and he was allowed to keep a sizable chunk of his blood money.

I may be wrong but it seems like today, we hardly ever see the high-level guys flip.

I think that’s because mobsters nowadays aren’t facing life sentences like they were years ago. Back then in the 90’s- 2000’s, the government was charging high ranking guys left and right with murders, attempted murders, general mob violence etc. Those type of crimes usually lead to long prison sentence and sometimes might even get guys the death penalty. High ranking lcn members don’t flip of their facing 5-10 years, they flip when their facing life or lethal injection.

I think they’re just more careful now and the most they would do is hurt a guy badly or shelve rather than clip them.

The only times a guy gets clipped is when it’s absolutely necessary. A perfect example would be Michael Meldish. He broke the rules several times and wasn’t showing proper respect to the bosses. Consider the rules he broke: arranging a Bonanno soldier to be shot, telling an acting boss to fuck off, and dating a girlfriend of an imprisoned boss. There’s no way that just shelving him would set the best example.

And after seeing what happened to the Luccheses, other bosses will be even more hesitant to order murders in the future.

[JeremyTheJew]

Well if u look at Canada u see all hell from exact point where we stopped killing they started.

But also tho...
It does look like since FBI doesn't fight OC as much that there becoming a LITTLE more violent again.

Luke's got a few hits
Bonannos..
Gambino boss got killed (albeit not mafia style)
Then we had a few more violence that was recently that didnt led to death.

I do believe that IF THE MAFIA WILL EVER RISE AGAIN....
This would be the time... jus saying

[gaspipe]

It’s weird that you had so many high level guys flipping from 1990-2002

Guys saw the deals that Al D'Arco and Sammy Gravano got and decided that getting killed or spending the rest of their lives in prison didn't make sense.

The passage of the RICO Act and the establishment of WITSEC changed everything for informants. For example, the only thing that Joe Valachi received for his unprecedented cooperation was protection and a slightly larger prison cell.

By contrast, Sammy Gravano was given a slap-on-the-wrist prison sentence, a new identity in a new state, protection for him and his family, and he was allowed to keep a sizable chunk of his blood money.

I may be wrong but it seems like today, we hardly ever see the high-level guys flip.

I think that’s because mobsters nowadays aren’t facing life sentences like they were years ago. Back then in the 90’s- 2000’s, the government was charging high ranking guys left and right with murders, attempted murders, general mob violence etc. Those type of crimes usually lead to long prison sentence and sometimes might even get guys the death penalty. High ranking lcn members don’t flip of their facing 5-10 years, they flip when their facing life or lethal injection.

I think they’re just more careful now and the most they would do is hurt a guy badly or shelve rather than clip them.

The only times a guy gets clipped is when it’s absolutely necessary. A perfect example would be Michael Meldish. He broke the rules several times and wasn’t showing proper respect to the bosses. Consider the rules he broke: arranging a Bonanno soldier to be shot, telling an acting boss to fuck off, and dating a girlfriend of an imprisoned boss. There’s no way that just shelving him would set the best example.

That's pretty reckless, can't believe he wasn't on his P's and Q's at the end there.