Does the Italian Mafia still exist in Los Angeles? Is the Los Angeles crime family still active today?

[scagghiuni]

Irish, Cuban, Russian, Chinese, Albanian, African American, Puerto Rican etc criminal organizations are not serious competition for what the F.B.I. calls traditional organized crime, the Italian mob. They do not demonstrate the established criminal sophistication of traditional La Cosa Nostra (LCN) organisations. There is no single criminal organization in United States structured hierarchically like the traditional LCN. Other criminal organizations are not clearly defined or organised and are instead grouped around a central leader or leaders.

i'm agree in the united states there is not a single group even close to lcn at its peak in the 1960s, not even mexican cartels, and even today a really weakened lcn is still the strongest in new york and other eastern areas, other groups tend to be too much overyped by media

[TwoPiece]

African-American gangs have become shooting practice in East L.A. for Latino gangs; they may have certain neighborhoods that they still control but they've shrunken to insignificance; SoCal is predominantly Latin and predominantly Mexican American. The Hells Angels couldn't take the Mongols. California was HA territory - only where they didn't cross paths with La Eme and Nuestra Famiglia. Like the Asians and what's left of black street gangs, they may have a small piece and be left alone as long as they don't encroach. The Mongols, in the late seventies Took southern Cal from the HA. The HA agreed to peace terms and have northern Cal (don't know their relationship with Nuestra Famiglia). There is a video story -story within a story - of the HA wanting to kill someone but were told no as the guy is with a formal La Eme member. Only one -ONE - Eme member has ever been murdered by someone other than Eme themselves. They dominate. OK, Armenians and Russians may have rackets but they are not moving on traditional rackets in SoCal: Not Happening.

I just have one thing about this post. There are no African American gangs in East L.A. That's always been considered latino gang turf. But as far as black on brown gang conflicts, are you referring to the Crips vs. Florencia 13 beef? The odd thing about that is Florencia has co-existed with a blood set for years and never had a beef.

Maybe something going on in Inglewood as well? The black on brown stuff seemed very over hyped when it went on in the 2010s.

lol thank you i was gonna mention that.. there are 0 black gangs in east LA to use for "target practice". if anything you would see more friction in the southern part of LA county like compton, watts, etc. because a lot of latinos are moving to those places where it was more traditionally black gangs.

[dack2001]

Being a member is not a RICO predicate. Predicates are separate criminal actions. Being a member has been specifically found to not be a criminal act.

[Nick Prango]

Irish, Cuban, Russian, Chinese, Albanian, African American, Puerto Rican etc criminal organizations are not serious competition for what the F.B.I. calls traditional organized crime, the Italian mob. They do not demonstrate the established criminal sophistication of traditional La Cosa Nostra (LCN) organisations. There is no single criminal organization in United States structured hierarchically like the traditional LCN. Other criminal organizations are not clearly defined or organised and are instead grouped around a central leader or leaders.

i'm agree in the united states there is not a single group even close to lcn at its peak in the 1960s, not even mexican cartels, and even today a really weakened lcn is still the strongest in new york and other eastern areas, other groups tend to be too much overyped by media

Like i said other ethnic organised crime groups got bigged up about 20 years ago as the next big thing in the underworld but it never really materialised. No other organised crime group is as structured as LCN, and none have as much influence.

[Nick Prango]

Irish, Cuban, Russian, Chinese, Albanian, African American, Puerto Rican etc criminal organizations are not serious competition for what the F.B.I. calls traditional organized crime, the Italian mob. They do not demonstrate the established criminal sophistication of traditional La Cosa Nostra (LCN) organisations. There is no single criminal organization in United States structured hierarchically like the traditional LCN. Other criminal organizations are not clearly defined or organised and are instead grouped around a central leader or leaders.

i'm agree in the united states there is not a single group even close to lcn at its peak in the 1960s, not even mexican cartels, and even today a really weakened lcn is still the strongest in new york and other eastern areas, other groups tend to be too much overyped by media

Mexican cartels are paramilitary, if a hypothetical war broke out between Italian crime family and Mexican cartel in NYC the feds would come down hard Rounding up cartel members, you can’t walk the streets of NYC with an assault rifle… especially given recent events police are very much on guard and on the look out for anything suspicious in Large metropolitan areas.

Whilst I wouldn’t be as game to say LCN could wipe out a Drug Cartel, but I’d definitely say they’d match them at the very least in power and influence.

Yes in Mexico and in the Central/ South American realm the cartels would win hands down, but when it comes to the United States it’s a completely different ball game and several factors come into play. 90% or more of LCN’s membership are American citizens, the cartels are largely not. With American citizenship comes levels of protection and an entire bill of rights. Civil liberties protect criminals also.To say the cartels “have more balls” than LCN is ridiculous, easy to be tough when you walk around a compound with an assault rifle, surrounded by 100 friends who also have an a assault rifle. Different crime syndicates from different worlds who only brush up against eachother due to mutual interest and money, and even then that’s unlikely all that common due to geography.



Both LCN and the cartels have been half broken by law enforcement these past three decades. Neither side has anything to gain long term for attacking the other.

If a dispute did come up, it’d be settled with money and a mutual agreement. It’s stems from an antiquated view of criminal groups. These aren’t crips and bloods feuding for corners or Masseria and Maranzano slugging it out over ring kissing.

Organized crime groups will always have more to gain by cooperation than conflict. That’s something they’ve mostly recognized for awhile now. When Russian, Italian American, Sicilian, Albanian, Mexican, Colombian, Calabrese, etc OC bump up against each other they’re more likely to work with than against one another. These criminal organizations do not war against each other. It is not like in 80s action movies. The purpose of organized crime is to make money.

[Rat]

There are black and Latino street gangs in any city you goto in the United States, this wouldn't be the reason as to not move.

The FBI has a huge erection for LCN and will chase them anywhere they go.

Frankly, LCN probably just lacks the motivation and desire to uproot their families to go off to LA on the whim of striking gold out there.

What about African American gangs, Armenian gangs or Hells Angels. I don't believe they pay street tax to La Eme.

Armenian gangs 100%

La Eme, only gets a tax from Sureno street gangs and certain Armenian gangs. There are 100% Armenian gangs that are not down with the AP13 movement.

[avvocato]

Being a member is not a RICO predicate. Predicates are separate criminal actions. Being a member has been specifically found to not be a criminal act.

This.


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[Rat]

Mexican cartels are paramilitary, if a hypothetical war broke out between Italian crime family and Mexican cartel in NYC the feds would come down hard Rounding up cartel members, you can’t walk the streets of NYC with an assault rifle… especially given recent events police are very much on guard and on the look out for anything suspicious in Large metropolitan areas.

Cartels don't operate like that inside of the United States, they set up 3-10 man cells in an area with the goal being to fly under the radar.

[Nick Prango]

Irish, Cuban, Russian, Chinese, Albanian, African American, Puerto Rican etc criminal organizations are not serious competition for what the F.B.I. calls traditional organized crime, the Italian mob. They do not demonstrate the established criminal sophistication of traditional La Cosa Nostra (LCN) organisations. There is no single criminal organization in United States structured hierarchically like the traditional LCN. Other criminal organizations are not clearly defined or organised and are instead grouped around a central leader or leaders.

i'm agree in the united states there is not a single group even close to lcn at its peak in the 1960s, not even mexican cartels, and even today a really weakened lcn is still the strongest in new york and other eastern areas, other groups tend to be too much overyped by media

I doubt the cartel cells, and by that I mean groups getting their marching orders from Mexico, do much besides distributing their product and moving their money around. I would imagine top guys in Mexico would like to avoid having to deal with American law enforcement. Cartel cells in USA are working with their local counterparts, transporting, selling, and laundering money. But they are not violent in USA. They just cannot conduct themselves the same in the U.S. as they do in Mexico.

Even today, Italian American mob is is half broken, but if a hypothetical war broke out between Italian crime family and Mexican cartel in NYC the feds would come down hard Rounding up cartel members, you can’t walk the streets of NYC with an assault rifle… especially given recent events police are very much on guard and on the look out for anything suspicious in Large metropolitan areas.

Also, I’m sure Mexican cartel cells operating in US are well aware of RICO laws and how devastating they can be. If one major RICO case can permanently crush an LCN family with decades long networking, as was the case in Cleveland and Rochester, then the feds could absolutely smoke a satellite cartel cell operating in an American city.



In America the justice system is not majority owned by the cartels where as in Mexico much of the political and justice system is susceptible to corruption and bribes. Also in Mexico the police wear masks and cartel "outlaws" have no fear of the law. Police and their family are subject to killing at the cartels say-so for something as simple as doing their job. This would not fly in America. There couldn't be mass killing of cops in the streets and huge amounts of corruption in law enforcement.

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Indeed déjà-vu

[Wiseguy]

While it’s true the LCN in the U.S. isn’t what it once was at the peak of its power it’s still a viable and profitable criminal enterprise that has proven to be very resilient. The Mafia continues to make millions and millions of dollars from not only traditional mob rackets but new and innovative schemes. There have been numerous reports of the Mob’s demise over the last decade or so but families in and outside of New York remain.

While the above is true - if we are talking about New York, as well as a handful of small families elsewhere (namely New Jersey, Boston, Philadelphia, and Chicago), you would do better to get your info (copied and pasted) from sources other than some blog entitled "About the Mafia" like above.

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