Cosa Nostra vs ‘Ndrangheta

[MSFRD]

I’ve been doing a lot more reading on these two groups later and I’m hoping some knowledgeable posters can shed some light on the relative strength of the two organisations within Italy.
The last decade or more the narrative has been that ‘Ndrangheta has usurped Cosa Nostra as the most powerful and influential mafia group in Italy. While no doubt their power in drugs is undisputed, and can leverage more political power, I have a hard time believing that Cosa Nostra could lose its political power to the ‘Ndrangheta. Decades and decades of corruption and friends in the absolute highest places in the Italian state and organs of power cannot be displaced simply by imprisonment of top bosses. Likely new relationships formed through younger members and their political foes.
Is anyone of the same opinion or can provide some evidence of the usurpation of political power by the ‘Ndrangheta?

[Wiseguy]

I’ve been doing a lot more reading on these two groups later and I’m hoping some knowledgeable posters can shed some light on the relative strength of the two organisations within Italy.
The last decade or more the narrative has been that ‘Ndrangheta has usurped Cosa Nostra as the most powerful and influential mafia group in Italy. While no doubt their power in drugs is undisputed, and can leverage more political power, I have a hard time believing that Cosa Nostra could lose its political power to the ‘Ndrangheta. Decades and decades of corruption and friends in the absolute highest places in the Italian state and organs of power cannot be displaced simply by imprisonment of top bosses. Likely new relationships formed through younger members and their political foes.
Is anyone of the same opinion or can provide some evidence of the usurpation of political power by the ‘Ndrangheta?

I don't know if friends in the highest places of the Italian state is still the case. It's not like it was with Andreotti, etc. Most of the corruption is on a more local level now, which the Ndrangheta also has. Anyway, the basis for the Ndrangheta surpassing Cosa Nostra comes from their larger control of the drug trade, being more expansive internationally, etc.

This is a good article -

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/italian-mafia ... ta-1500221

[CabriniGreen]

Ndrangheta is very prevalent in the masonry as well...

Awhile back there was a bust of the so called "Piscopisani" clan from Vibo Valentia. It was said this territory had the highest concentration of masonic lodges in Italy.

They also are very entrenched in Northern Italy, the Barbaros specifically. They are powerful in Australia too.

To me, there isnt any REAL difference between say, the Pelle- Vottarri from San Luca, or the Capello - Bonaccorsi from Catania, or the Nuvoletta- Polverino- Orlando from Marano.

Then you have emerging clans like the Martiradonna family....


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[CabriniGreen]

In Sicily, they cant really even meet without walking into police, Inzerillo wires confirm this. They are still reeling from Riinas stupidity. This is why politically they might have dropped a notch.....

[Etna]

Cabrini - Great point. So you bring up some excellent names I've been interested about, specifically the Capello - Bonaccorsi group. They are separate from the Santapaola-Ercolano Family, right? The latter is Cosa Nostra, but are the Capello - Bonaccorsi independent or are they also Cosa Nostra or 'Ndrangheta affiliated? I always read about Catania and I see others like Mazzei and Laudani groups. Eastern Sicily is fascinating because there seems to be more violence and, through my perception, they seem larger than some of the families in Palermo - I could of course be wrong. In fact, I think Catania just had a HUGE arrest where like 80 street dealers were arrested with another gang that was affiliated with them in the San Giovanno Galermo area of Catania which was dubbed the "Nizza Group". They were purchasing their drugs from the Santapaola organization.

Palermo could just be a stronger presence of the Mafia so there's less violence - more order there, even with the Nigerians setting up in the Ballaro & Kalsa districts.

The Martiradonna family is very interesting and Apulia is getting more attention as groups like the Societa Foggiana is really getting violent too.

Consequently, I think the Sicilians have really hurt themselves. They've gone "under the radar" so to speak and the murders have died down, much like they have in the United States. However, the police have been relentless, and rightly so considering they were borderline terrorists in the 80s.

[CabriniGreen]

On the Capello- Bonaccorsi... from the 2019 DIA report...

In addition to the families mentioned above, belonging to the more structured level and fully falling within the ranks of Cosa Nostra, there are other factions historically rooted in the city context, with ramifications
peripheral and with a propensity to extend its operations beyond the province of Catania, among which figure the
clan of the LAUDANI.

The organization, although affected by important investigative activities323 which decided
the ranks, showed a strong capacity for reconstitution, so much so that recent investigative activities324
revealed their presence in Northern Italy.


Important patrimonial measures, adopted towards subjects contiguous to the association, have involved
seizures and confiscations325 of assets for a total value of over 5.5 million euros in the first half of 2019.



The CAPPELLO-BONACCORSI clan also falls into this organizational level, which over time would have hired
in their ranks some elements coming from the less structured clans of Pillera326 and Sciuto327, of the Cursoti328 and
of the Pleasants 329.

The organization, despite the detention of the historical leader and collaboration with the justice of
a top exponent, is rooted in the city and in some areas of the neighboring provinces.

[Etna]

So then Catania has more than one family - where I thought they always had just one.

[CabriniGreen]

So then Catania has more than one family - where I thought they always had just one.

One OFFICIALLY recognized family, the Santopaola- Ercolano clan.

[Etna]

and Capello - Bonaccorsi are simply a faction within them or a totally separate organization?

[scagghiuni]

the DIA defined in a report cosa nostra a wounded tiger, but to be very careful not to let it heal; ndrangheta is anyway the strongest italian oc group currently, although not as powerful as cosa nostra at its peak in the 1980s

[scagghiuni]

In Sicily, they cant really even meet without walking into police, Inzerillo wires confirm this. They are still reeling from Riinas stupidity. This is why politically they might have dropped a notch.....

remember that behind the massacres of the 1980s and 1990s there is not only riina/cosa nostra, but very powerful people as freemasons, politiciansa adn businessmen, probably even foreign entity as lybian secret services, the situation is by far more complex than just totò riina reputed stupidity

[Etna]

In Sicily, they cant really even meet without walking into police, Inzerillo wires confirm this. They are still reeling from Riinas stupidity. This is why politically they might have dropped a notch.....

remember that behind the massacres of the 1980s and 1990s there is not only riina/cosa nostra, but very powerful people as freemasons, politiciansa adn businessmen, probably even foreign entity as lybian secret services, the situation is by far more complex than just totò riina reputed stupidity

What is the source revealing these other parries involved? I'm not questioning the evidence, just curious about who claims this.

[scagghiuni]

In Sicily, they cant really even meet without walking into police, Inzerillo wires confirm this. They are still reeling from Riinas stupidity. This is why politically they might have dropped a notch.....

remember that behind the massacres of the 1980s and 1990s there is not only riina/cosa nostra, but very powerful people as freemasons, politiciansa adn businessmen, probably even foreign entity as lybian secret services, the situation is by far more complex than just totò riina reputed stupidity

What is the source revealing these other parries involved? I'm not questioning the evidence, just curious about who claims this.

there are current important trials that proofs clearly cosa nostra is not the only behind this

[Etna]

In Sicily, they cant really even meet without walking into police, Inzerillo wires confirm this. They are still reeling from Riinas stupidity. This is why politically they might have dropped a notch.....

remember that behind the massacres of the 1980s and 1990s there is not only riina/cosa nostra, but very powerful people as freemasons, politiciansa adn businessmen, probably even foreign entity as lybian secret services, the situation is by far more complex than just totò riina reputed stupidity

What is the source revealing these other parries involved? I'm not questioning the evidence, just curious about who claims this.

there are current important trials that proofs clearly cosa nostra is not the only behind this

Thank you. Your knowledge is greatly appreciated.

[Strax]

I don't know if friends in the highest places of the Italian state is still the case. It's not like it was with Andreotti, etc. Most of the corruption is on a more local level now, which the Ndrangheta also has. Anyway, the basis for the Ndrangheta surpassing Cosa Nostra comes from their larger control of the drug trade, being more expansive internationally, etc.

This is a good article -

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/italian-mafia ... ta-1500221

There are definitely friends on very high places , last year during 'Ndrangheta Stato-Mafia trial , 3 witnesses disappeared from witness protection program after claiming there is "super commission" formed by freemasonry,secret services and mafia to control organized crime in Italy.

Also 'Ndrangheta boss Pantaleone Mancuso was captured on tape saying "Its all about freemasonry now, P3,P4 you name it,its not about 'Ndrangheta anymore". If P3 or P4 is even half powerful as P2 was , its still insane amount of power in that groups/