John & Gene Show / "2 Mob Bosses Sitdown" -- Paul Tanso

[Tonyd621]

In the interview Luisi also says he was grabbing Patriarca associates he knew and putting them under him. Were the Philly Boston members confirmed to have been Patriarca associates or are there other former Patriarca associates confirmed to have been under Luisi? Given how violent the Patriarca family was not long before Luisi joined Philly and the massacre of his relatives, I'm surprised he would be tempting fate like that.

Robert "Bobby Blur" Paleo (who I have previously been referring to as "Puleo" until the past couple of days when I did some more digging) is the first one of the made guys I've seen with clear Patriarca ties. From what I've found, like Luisi, Paleo was backing Salemme during the 1990s and was targetted for death by the anti-Salemme faction.
One of Luisi's associates caught up in the Philly drug case was also Robert Carrozza Jr

Thanks for the info, Chin. Looks like he was telling the truth about recruiting Patriarca associates. He himself would also have been one. I wonder if his approach was aggressive or if they just sort of fell in with him.

Didnt Liusi not testify against Merlino? I believe Merlino was theonly one on trial from philly. Like I'm confused on his cooperation agreement was? Didnt he end getting locked up?

[Stroccos]

In the interview Luisi also says he was grabbing Patriarca associates he knew and putting them under him. Were the Philly Boston members confirmed to have been Patriarca associates or are there other former Patriarca associates confirmed to have been under Luisi? Given how violent the Patriarca family was not long before Luisi joined Philly and the massacre of his relatives, I'm surprised he would be tempting fate like that.

Robert "Bobby Blur" Paleo (who I have previously been referring to as "Puleo" until the past couple of days when I did some more digging) is the first one of the made guys I've seen with clear Patriarca ties. From what I've found, like Luisi, Paleo was backing Salemme during the 1990s and was targetted for death by the anti-Salemme faction.
One of Luisi's associates caught up in the Philly drug case was also Robert Carrozza Jr

Thanks for the info, Chin. Looks like he was telling the truth about recruiting Patriarca associates. He himself would also have been one. I wonder if his approach was aggressive or if they just sort of fell in with him.

Didnt Liusi not testify against Merlino? I believe Merlino was theonly one on trial from philly. Like I'm confused on his cooperation agreement was? Didnt he end getting locked up?

no he wasnt called to testify after he kept moving his demands higher and higher the government didnt grant his demands so he didnt get that deal ,he testfied at his own trial using a entrapment defense if you plug that into the world wide web you can find the appeal,

he ended up testifying against enrico ponzo to cut his sentence

[Tonyd621]

In the interview Luisi also says he was grabbing Patriarca associates he knew and putting them under him. Were the Philly Boston members confirmed to have been Patriarca associates or are there other former Patriarca associates confirmed to have been under Luisi? Given how violent the Patriarca family was not long before Luisi joined Philly and the massacre of his relatives, I'm surprised he would be tempting fate like that.

Robert "Bobby Blur" Paleo (who I have previously been referring to as "Puleo" until the past couple of days when I did some more digging) is the first one of the made guys I've seen with clear Patriarca ties. From what I've found, like Luisi, Paleo was backing Salemme during the 1990s and was targetted for death by the anti-Salemme faction.
One of Luisi's associates caught up in the Philly drug case was also Robert Carrozza Jr

Thanks for the info, Chin. Looks like he was telling the truth about recruiting Patriarca associates. He himself would also have been one. I wonder if his approach was aggressive or if they just sort of fell in with him.

Didnt Liusi not testify against Merlino? I believe Merlino was theonly one on trial from philly. Like I'm confused on his cooperation agreement was? Didnt he end getting locked up?

no he wasnt called to testify after he kept moving his demands higher and higher the government didnt grant his demands so he didnt get that deal ,he testfied at his own trial using a entrapment defense if you plug that into the world wide web you can find the appeal,

he ended up testifying against enrico ponzo to cut his sentence

I dont need to search. You just gave me the cliff notes. Thank for summing it up succinctly.

[AM434]

Also Artilotta claimed he had approx. 12 made guys under him, any idea who they are? Guys in CT?

We'd have to see a list of crew members in the early-mid 2000s.

One thing to remember is, according to the indictment, Arilotta never technically rose above the rank of soldier. Tranghese was technically the captain after Bruno but, according to prosecutors, Nigro marginalized these guys which effectively made Arilotta the "de facto leader" in Springfield before they were all taken down.

Here is what John Bologna said about the Springfield membership:



Bologna wasn't a member but as the liaison between NYC and Springfield would have had a good idea who the members were.

You mentioned these names, too, which aren't on his list:

Carlo Mastrototaro
Anthony Volpe

So that's ten names. I don't personally know how accurate Bologna's info was or what the timeline was on inductions or deaths for these guys, but it looks like ~12 Genovese members in New England around this time isn't too far-fetched.

Arilotta makes it a point to mention Connecticut each time he talks about his crew, so they may have had others there. I can believe they had a few lesser known, maybe older members around New England that Arilotta would have known about, assuming his estimate was exact, but he just kind of threw the number out there, didn't seem invested in it.

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If I were doing a blind "taste test" of this interview and you asked me to guess who the Genovese member was, I'd go with Arilotta immediately. He doesn't seem to be trying to prove much to anyone beyond what you'd expect from a guy who flipped doing an interview. There's a confidence to what he says.

What's absurd is Luisi's claim that he was planning to start his own mafia family in Boston. I'm willing to believe that Luisi himself believed that, or more likely fantasized about it, but the reality of New York, the Patriarca family, and even his friends in Philadelphia sanctioning or tolerating that doesn't sit right. From what's available, the Genovese family didn't even approve of the inductions.

I believe that Luisi and other men were made Philly members in Boston, but were the Boston Philly guys ever introduced as "amico nostra" to anyone outside of Philly? Someone can induct whoever they want and they can call themselves a decina or even a family, they can earn money and muscle people, but without recognition they might as well be the Black Junior Mafia.

These guys want to expand their network and broaden their influence. It's like Vincenzo Morena being made by the Bonanno family in Ontario. If he hadn't made recordings and we didn't know the details, we would be skeptical. The mafia trends toward expansion when possible, though, and the existence of the US mafia itself is a testament to that. It's strange to think of Philly wanting to set up a crew in Boston, but in an organization where the Bonannos had crews in Tucson and Montreal, the DeCavalcantes had Connecticut, and for that matter the Genoveses in Springfield, it's just sort of what these guys do when they have the chance.

Thanks, B.

Mastrototaro was based in Worcester and Volpe in Connecticut. I don't know if that is why they weren't mentioned. Either way, all of them are now dead except for Fusco (who is in prison) and Arilotta and Tranghese (who both flipped). I wouldn't be surprised if there's only some associates up there now, like the ones who were busted a few years ago (Santaniello, etc), and that in fact they are now under the supervision of the New York-based Ianniello crew.

As far as Luisi, he talks like getting made into Philadelphia would somehow give him clout to form his own family in Boston. I'm not sure how that works when the Genovese were obviously against it and the Patriarcas no doubt would have been too. If there's a disagreement, or push comes to shove, what standing does Merlino, Borgesi or whoever have to come up and back Luisi in Boston? None. It sounds more like Luisi and the guys around him wanted to get made but it was never going to happen in New England. So some of them got Merlino, etc. to give them their buttons, no doubt Merlino seeing it as more people to kick up to him.

Each time Arilotta brought up Connecticut info he either gets cuts off or never gets into much detail. Very curious about this now, especially since even Rubeo seems to not know much about Genovese CT operations even though he was close with Rooster. Clealy the Genovese have alot going on in CT.

[Amershire_Ed]

Arilotta also kinda clammed up in both interviews when Gene brought up Barney Bellomo. Not like he was nervous or anything, but you can tell there are some things (and people) he’s just not gonna delve into. It could be he didn’t know Barney that well, or at all, and didn’t have much to offer. Or he figured talking about active bosses and captains is a line he’s not going to cross.

[Pmac2]

Barney was locked up from 96 to 08 so unless anthony was in federal prison with him I doubt they met. I wonder when they get 1 of the colombo turncoats on there program. Theres a dozen

[AM434]

Yeah i noticed that too, he didn't want to talk about Barney. I wonder what he relationship was like with Rooster, who eventually took over his crew.

[pharion]

RE: Springfield guys in the early 2000s, I compiled list over the years of Springfield members and associates (c. Jan 2002). A lot of active guys. Aside from Bruno/Arillotta, Scibelli's guys, etc., you also had the Fusco/Manzi guys.

[mr white]

Manzi is my favorite Springfield guy when the wanna be new regime (Albert Calvanese?) goes to his barbershop to shake him down...i'm pretty sure unmade guys....he tries to stab them and ends up in a fight in the street outside chasing them down the street....haha...

[davidf1989]

True. After the hit Luisi went to someone with Patriarcas looking for protection, looking to get with them and get made which would be his protection, and got turned down.

According to the article from the Boston Herald which i have posted below. Luisi did work for Salemme for a short period of time but the mob boss refused to make him a made man so he went with the Philly mob to get made.

http://www.americanmafia.com/News/6-14- ... Sings.html