SolarSolano wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:59 am
Really interesting that Buscemi was originally a Chicago guy under DeGeorge. I was under the impression Rockford was an entirely separate Siclian organization that really stayed under the radar. Also there was Joe Saladino I believe the younger brother of Frank was was arrested with literally everything a hitman needed in his trunk about 10-12 years ago too - anyone know if Joe Saladino is still around?
Joe is still around but he was in no way related to Frank though they were very close growing up. Joe was arrested in 1997 with several guns in the trunk of his car, hundreds of rounds of ammo, ski masks, bolt cutters, a tree saw, and other questionable items and either a silencer or a book on how to make a silencer. There were indications in 2005 that he was a capo or "field lieutenant" as was described by a retired sheriff's deputy who had knowledge of the Rockford LCN and Saladino.
Wonder if Joe works in Rockford or for the Outfit? He had that Nick Iozzo look with the white hair going.
Joe has always been a Rockford guy and was only involved with the Outfit in the 50/50 betting partnership from the early 1980s.
So to clarify, on February 15, 1997 Joe Saladino was stopped for speeding on East State Street near Fairview Avenue. An Illinois State Police officer searched Saladino’s car and found a loaded .380 Auto Caliber Colt government model semi-automatic pistol, an unloaded .357 Magnum Colt Trooper MKIII revolver, an unloaded 9mm Luger Cobray fully automatic machine pistol with no serial number, in excess of 400 rounds of ammo, two books on how to make silencers, a book on machine lathes, a billy club, two “slim jims,” two bolt cutters, a tree trimming saw, a butcher knife, a pipe wrench, a stocking cap and two face masks.
Fear and Loathing in the Rockford underworld apparently. I wonder if anyone was hit around that timeframe 1997 in Rockford or Chicago - they could have been on their way to a job that was finished by another crew. Also could have just cleaned out the closet in his social club.
I've been to Rockford a few times and dated a girl years ago in Love's Park. Have never understood how they could have a viable family but likely a lot going on in that area that we don't know about and I know that northern illinois a gambling hotspot now.
SolarSolano wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:59 am
Really interesting that Buscemi was originally a Chicago guy under DeGeorge. I was under the impression Rockford was an entirely separate Siclian organization that really stayed under the radar. Also there was Joe Saladino I believe the younger brother of Frank was was arrested with literally everything a hitman needed in his trunk about 10-12 years ago too - anyone know if Joe Saladino is still around?
Joe is still around but he was in no way related to Frank though they were very close growing up. Joe was arrested in 1997 with several guns in the trunk of his car, hundreds of rounds of ammo, ski masks, bolt cutters, a tree saw, and other questionable items and either a silencer or a book on how to make a silencer. There were indications in 2005 that he was a capo or "field lieutenant" as was described by a retired sheriff's deputy who had knowledge of the Rockford LCN and Saladino.
Wonder if Joe works in Rockford or for the Outfit? He had that Nick Iozzo look with the white hair going.
Joe has always been a Rockford guy and was only involved with the Outfit in the 50/50 betting partnership from the early 1980s.
So to clarify, on February 15, 1997 Joe Saladino was stopped for speeding on East State Street near Fairview Avenue. An Illinois State Police officer searched Saladino’s car and found a loaded .380 Auto Caliber Colt government model semi-automatic pistol, an unloaded .357 Magnum Colt Trooper MKIII revolver, an unloaded 9mm Luger Cobray fully automatic machine pistol with no serial number, in excess of 400 rounds of ammo, two books on how to make silencers, a book on machine lathes, a billy club, two “slim jims,” two bolt cutters, a tree trimming saw, a butcher knife, a pipe wrench, a stocking cap and two face masks.
Fear and Loathing in the Rockford underworld apparently. I wonder if anyone was hit around that timeframe 1997 in Rockford or Chicago - they could have been on their way to a job that was finished by another crew. Also could have just cleaned out the closet in his social club.
I've been to Rockford a few times and dated a girl years ago in Love's Park. Have never understood how they could have a viable family but likely a lot going on in that area that we don't know about and I know that northern illinois a gambling hotspot now.
The tight knit Sicilian population from Aragona is why this small family has outlasted more notorious families like Cleveland, St Louis and Los Angeles. 90 percent of the population don’t even know where Rockford is but it’s still there
SolarSolano wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:59 am
Really interesting that Buscemi was originally a Chicago guy under DeGeorge. I was under the impression Rockford was an entirely separate Siclian organization that really stayed under the radar. Also there was Joe Saladino I believe the younger brother of Frank was was arrested with literally everything a hitman needed in his trunk about 10-12 years ago too - anyone know if Joe Saladino is still around?
Joe is still around but he was in no way related to Frank though they were very close growing up. Joe was arrested in 1997 with several guns in the trunk of his car, hundreds of rounds of ammo, ski masks, bolt cutters, a tree saw, and other questionable items and either a silencer or a book on how to make a silencer. There were indications in 2005 that he was a capo or "field lieutenant" as was described by a retired sheriff's deputy who had knowledge of the Rockford LCN and Saladino.
Wonder if Joe works in Rockford or for the Outfit? He had that Nick Iozzo look with the white hair going.
Joe has always been a Rockford guy and was only involved with the Outfit in the 50/50 betting partnership from the early 1980s.
So to clarify, on February 15, 1997 Joe Saladino was stopped for speeding on East State Street near Fairview Avenue. An Illinois State Police officer searched Saladino’s car and found a loaded .380 Auto Caliber Colt government model semi-automatic pistol, an unloaded .357 Magnum Colt Trooper MKIII revolver, an unloaded 9mm Luger Cobray fully automatic machine pistol with no serial number, in excess of 400 rounds of ammo, two books on how to make silencers, a book on machine lathes, a billy club, two “slim jims,” two bolt cutters, a tree trimming saw, a butcher knife, a pipe wrench, a stocking cap and two face masks.
Fear and Loathing in the Rockford underworld apparently. I wonder if anyone was hit around that timeframe 1997 in Rockford or Chicago - they could have been on their way to a job that was finished by another crew. Also could have just cleaned out the closet in his social club.
I've been to Rockford a few times and dated a girl years ago in Love's Park. Have never understood how they could have a viable family but likely a lot going on in that area that we don't know about and I know that northern illinois a gambling hotspot now.
Any unsolved murders in the area around that time will have to be researched I guess. I do know in April 1998 Daniel Myers was found shot to death in the parking lot at Monticello Liquors and that remains unsolved. Myers was said to be hooked up in narcotics activity and one of the first people police interviewed for some reason was a known Rockford mobster.
Cavita - appreciate the info. Why do you think Chicago never moved in on Rockford? I also wonder why Buscemi wouldn't bring some of the Outfit guys or at least the northside DeGeorge guys into the fold up there. Wonder if Buscemi taking over was essentially Chicago?
SolarSolano wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:16 am
Cavita - appreciate the info. Why do you think Chicago never moved in on Rockford? I also wonder why Buscemi wouldn't bring some of the Outfit guys or at least the northside DeGeorge guys into the fold up there. Wonder if Buscemi taking over was essentially Chicago?
I have no idea why they didn't fully move in- perhaps because Rockford was more Sicilian and had ties to the old country? When Buscemi moved to Rockford he wasn't yet made so I don't think he had any pull to bring guys over. I do know that FBI files from the 1960s stated that should Buscemi take over as boss he would try and bring closer ties to the Outfit but he never did become boss.
Patrickgold wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:22 pm
What I have heard is that Joe Saladino is the top
guy in Rockford now. He runs what is left of the organization in Rockford. I will also say this because the place closed last year. Cavita, I’m sure you have been there and knew it since it was in your neighborhood but Saladino use hang out at the Roma Bakery in the old italian neighborhood and his people use to come and meet him there. Place closed down last year after being open for 80 years or something like that.
I personally haven't heard this but then again sometimes I'm limited in what information there is whenever I get back to Rockford. Him meeting at Roma Bakery confuses me because the bakery didn't have anywhere to sit and the standing space was only about eight feet by twenty feet. I do know he frequents the four Italian social clubs very often as well as the Off Track Betting place. In the most recent past he was a fixture at Maria's Restaurant (it closed a few years ago) and he and his associates would count gambling proceeds in the kitchen there after hours.
They had a couple of small tables if i remember correctly and he would sit at one. He would go in the mornings before lunch for coffee and who ever was meeting him would sit in the other chair. I saw him there once while I was picking up some cannolis but he looked to by himself at the time. I didn’t go there regularly to confirm what I heard.
I heard of Marias and was disappointed that I never went. Heard the food was amazing. I heard the same family opened up another restaurant in Loves Park I think.
Maria's was awesome and was owned by the Cason family which the name was originally Casone. Funny story which I witnessed years ago was that Joe was sitting in the bar at Maria's with a lady friend and they were all over each other. Someone at the bar called Joe's girlfriend and told her. Well, she came down to the restaurant and proceeded to beat the living shit out of the girl in front of everyone. You would have thought she would have lit into Joe but she gave the beating instead to the girl.
That’s hilarious. I guess nobody every told Joe don’t shit where you eat lol
Just looked it up, the new place is called “Joe's Casa Di Amici” and it is in Loves Park. I guess I will have to try it out since it is the same owners. Probably won’t be the same but should be similar.
I have yet to eat there and it is run by Joey Carson who ran Maria's with his mother and brother. I have heard that Joe Sal's son is running a slot place now and many are convinced that it's really Joe's place but since he's a felon he can't legally own it. Strange thing, there are many, many younger Italian/Sicilian guys in the Rockford, Rockton, Roscoe, Beloit and South Beloit areas that are running slots places now.
That is a very interesting statement that young italian guys have opened these legal slot places. Those places, if they are legal, are very hard to skim since it’s mandatory that cameras be in there at all times and the gambling office in Springfield can view anytime they want. I’m not sure about Wisconsin. Cavita, are any of these guys related to Rockford Outfit guys?
Patrickgold wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:22 pm
What I have heard is that Joe Saladino is the top
guy in Rockford now. He runs what is left of the organization in Rockford. I will also say this because the place closed last year. Cavita, I’m sure you have been there and knew it since it was in your neighborhood but Saladino use hang out at the Roma Bakery in the old italian neighborhood and his people use to come and meet him there. Place closed down last year after being open for 80 years or something like that.
I personally haven't heard this but then again sometimes I'm limited in what information there is whenever I get back to Rockford. Him meeting at Roma Bakery confuses me because the bakery didn't have anywhere to sit and the standing space was only about eight feet by twenty feet. I do know he frequents the four Italian social clubs very often as well as the Off Track Betting place. In the most recent past he was a fixture at Maria's Restaurant (it closed a few years ago) and he and his associates would count gambling proceeds in the kitchen there after hours.
They had a couple of small tables if i remember correctly and he would sit at one. He would go in the mornings before lunch for coffee and who ever was meeting him would sit in the other chair. I saw him there once while I was picking up some cannolis but he looked to by himself at the time. I didn’t go there regularly to confirm what I heard.
I heard of Marias and was disappointed that I never went. Heard the food was amazing. I heard the same family opened up another restaurant in Loves Park I think.
Maria's was awesome and was owned by the Cason family which the name was originally Casone. Funny story which I witnessed years ago was that Joe was sitting in the bar at Maria's with a lady friend and they were all over each other. Someone at the bar called Joe's girlfriend and told her. Well, she came down to the restaurant and proceeded to beat the living shit out of the girl in front of everyone. You would have thought she would have lit into Joe but she gave the beating instead to the girl.
That’s hilarious. I guess nobody every told Joe don’t shit where you eat lol
Just looked it up, the new place is called “Joe's Casa Di Amici” and it is in Loves Park. I guess I will have to try it out since it is the same owners. Probably won’t be the same but should be similar.
I have yet to eat there and it is run by Joey Carson who ran Maria's with his mother and brother. I have heard that Joe Sal's son is running a slot place now and many are convinced that it's really Joe's place but since he's a felon he can't legally own it. Strange thing, there are many, many younger Italian/Sicilian guys in the Rockford, Rockton, Roscoe, Beloit and South Beloit areas that are running slots places now.
That is a very interesting statement that young italian guys have opened these legal slot places. Those places, if they are legal, are very hard to skim since it’s mandatory that cameras be in there at all times and the gambling office in Springfield can view anytime they want. I’m not sure about Wisconsin. Cavita, are any of these guys related to Rockford Outfit guys?
Most of these guys are related to associates and a couple members
Villain wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:29 am
If Buscemi was born in 1911/12, can this be the same guy since in 1945 he was 34/35 years old...Cavita, was Buscemi ever arrested during the mid 1940s?
Villain-
I just found that Buscemi was indicted in Chicago on May 18, 1940 on the attempted robbery and assault with intent to commit murder charge. I don't know what name he was using at the time but I hope this helps.
Patrickgold wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:22 pm
What I have heard is that Joe Saladino is the top
guy in Rockford now. He runs what is left of the organization in Rockford. I will also say this because the place closed last year. Cavita, I’m sure you have been there and knew it since it was in your neighborhood but Saladino use hang out at the Roma Bakery in the old italian neighborhood and his people use to come and meet him there. Place closed down last year after being open for 80 years or something like that.
Interesting story about the Roma Bakery in FBI files was supposedly sometime in the 1960s the owner's son got in debt to the Rockford LCN to the tune of $37,000. The files said the owner sold the bakery to cover the debt. The original owners were the Marinelli family and at some point ownership changed hands to the Bowler family who was the son-in-law. Now, I still have to find out when this took place or even who the Marinelli son was.
Villain wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:29 am
If Buscemi was born in 1911/12, can this be the same guy since in 1945 he was 34/35 years old...Cavita, was Buscemi ever arrested during the mid 1940s?
Villain-
I just found that Buscemi was indicted in Chicago on May 18, 1940 on the attempted robbery and assault with intent to commit murder charge. I don't know what name he was using at the time but I hope this helps.
Im sorry you just reminded me on this post...is there any possibility that Buscemi mightve been previously made in Chicago and later transferred his membership in Rockford? I know what you said previously on when Buscemi ended up on Rockfords table but still is there any posibility regarding my previous question?
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
Villain wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:29 am
If Buscemi was born in 1911/12, can this be the same guy since in 1945 he was 34/35 years old...Cavita, was Buscemi ever arrested during the mid 1940s?
Villain-
I just found that Buscemi was indicted in Chicago on May 18, 1940 on the attempted robbery and assault with intent to commit murder charge. I don't know what name he was using at the time but I hope this helps.
Im sorry you just reminded me on this post...is there any possibility that Buscemi mightve been previously made in Chicago and later transferred his membership in Rockford? I know what you said previously on when Buscemi ended up on Rockfords table but still is there any posibility regarding my previous question?
It's absolutely possible though I've never heard of someone being made in one family and then committing murder for another family as a way to get made to that family. I just assumed memberships transferred without another test so to speak. By the time Buscemi was "made" in Rockford he was something like 48 years old which seems to be kind of late to be made a member but then I have to remember Frank Correnti was made in 1965 at the age of 54.
cavita wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:51 am
It's absolutely possible though I've never heard of someone being made in one family and then committing murder for another family as a way to get made to that family. I just assumed memberships transferred without another test so to speak. By the time Buscemi was "made" in Rockford he was something like 48 years old which seems to be kind of late to be made a member but then I have to remember Frank Correnti was made in 1965 at the age of 54.
Thanks again bud and yeah I agree that many guys were made during their later years.
To be honest, I look at the Buscemi story being similar to Roselli's. I dont have any proof if Roselli committed any high level killings or additional crimes for the Chicago family before he was transferred in 1957, although we can see that he was long time friend of Esposito, Ricca and other fellas and he was involved in the infamous Hollywood extortion case which mostly involved people from Chicago. When Giancana became the boss, his prime rules were to give certain tasks, including murder, to candidates and future members. So maybe Roselli killed someone or offered some lucrative scheme and later he got transferred under Giancana.
Buscemi was allegedly under DeGeorge and it seems all of his main crimes start from the early 40s and so it is quite possible that after a decade or less, he became a made guy. During the old days, only the most "famous" guys used several aliases and it seems that Buscemi was just one of them and to be honest, he was good in keeping his real name clean. So maybe after the many executions of the old time Northsiders and DeGeorge being exiled from Chicago, Buscemi started to lose his influence and by the mid 50s transferred to Rockford for the right "price", meaning he had to kill someone....afterall years later the Chi boys pushed for Buscemi to take the throne in Rockford right?! Dont forget this is pure speculation lol
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
cavita wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:51 am
It's absolutely possible though I've never heard of someone being made in one family and then committing murder for another family as a way to get made to that family. I just assumed memberships transferred without another test so to speak. By the time Buscemi was "made" in Rockford he was something like 48 years old which seems to be kind of late to be made a member but then I have to remember Frank Correnti was made in 1965 at the age of 54.
Thanks again bud and yeah I agree that many guys were made during their later years.
To be honest, I look at the Buscemi story being similar to Roselli's. I dont have any proof if Roselli committed any high level killings or additional crimes for the Chicago family before he was transferred in 1957, although we can see that he was long time friend of Esposito, Ricca and other fellas and he was involved in the infamous Hollywood extortion case which mostly involved people from Chicago. When Giancana became the boss, his prime rules were to give certain tasks, including murder, to candidates and future members. So maybe Roselli killed someone or offered some lucrative scheme and later he got transferred under Giancana.
Buscemi was allegedly under DeGeorge and it seems all of his main crimes start from the early 40s and so it is quite possible that after a decade or less, he became a made guy. During the old days, only the most "famous" guys used several aliases and it seems that Buscemi was just one of them and to be honest, he was good in keeping his real name clean. So maybe after the many executions of the old time Northsiders and DeGeorge being exiled from Chicago, Buscemi started to lose his influence and by the mid 50s transferred to Rockford for the right "price", meaning he had to kill someone....afterall years later the Chi boys pushed for Buscemi to take the throne in Rockford right?! Dont forget this is pure speculation lol
All good points. I have to wonder how Buscemi got hooked up with Rockford in the first place. I know Buscemi's sister married Joe Zammuto's son but there has to be a connection other than that. I'm wondering if Phil Priola hand a hand in it with his father being an old time Outfit member. Priola was originally living in Rockford before being thrown out by Tony Musso sometime in the early 40s. While in Chicago Priola operated a tavern and then was welcomes back to Rockford around 1954. Perhaps Priola became acquainted with Buscemi during that time.
cavita wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:51 am
It's absolutely possible though I've never heard of someone being made in one family and then committing murder for another family as a way to get made to that family. I just assumed memberships transferred without another test so to speak. By the time Buscemi was "made" in Rockford he was something like 48 years old which seems to be kind of late to be made a member but then I have to remember Frank Correnti was made in 1965 at the age of 54.
Thanks again bud and yeah I agree that many guys were made during their later years.
To be honest, I look at the Buscemi story being similar to Roselli's. I dont have any proof if Roselli committed any high level killings or additional crimes for the Chicago family before he was transferred in 1957, although we can see that he was long time friend of Esposito, Ricca and other fellas and he was involved in the infamous Hollywood extortion case which mostly involved people from Chicago. When Giancana became the boss, his prime rules were to give certain tasks, including murder, to candidates and future members. So maybe Roselli killed someone or offered some lucrative scheme and later he got transferred under Giancana.
Buscemi was allegedly under DeGeorge and it seems all of his main crimes start from the early 40s and so it is quite possible that after a decade or less, he became a made guy. During the old days, only the most "famous" guys used several aliases and it seems that Buscemi was just one of them and to be honest, he was good in keeping his real name clean. So maybe after the many executions of the old time Northsiders and DeGeorge being exiled from Chicago, Buscemi started to lose his influence and by the mid 50s transferred to Rockford for the right "price", meaning he had to kill someone....afterall years later the Chi boys pushed for Buscemi to take the throne in Rockford right?! Dont forget this is pure speculation lol
All good points. I have to wonder how Buscemi got hooked up with Rockford in the first place. I know Buscemi's sister married Joe Zammuto's son but there has to be a connection other than that. I'm wondering if Phil Priola hand a hand in it with his father being an old time Outfit member. Priola was originally living in Rockford before being thrown out by Tony Musso sometime in the early 40s. While in Chicago Priola operated a tavern and then was welcomes back to Rockford around 1954. Perhaps Priola became acquainted with Buscemi during that time.
Thanks and i also agree, as you already said, it would be nice to discover Biscemi's early Rockford connections, meaning you also made some good points with the Priolas and Mussos, since we can see "similar" names in Chicago especially in the old North/Grand av mob.
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
Patrickgold wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:22 pm
What I have heard is that Joe Saladino is the top
guy in Rockford now. He runs what is left of the organization in Rockford. I will also say this because the place closed last year. Cavita, I’m sure you have been there and knew it since it was in your neighborhood but Saladino use hang out at the Roma Bakery in the old italian neighborhood and his people use to come and meet him there. Place closed down last year after being open for 80 years or something like that.
Interesting story about the Roma Bakery in FBI files was supposedly sometime in the 1960s the owner's son got in debt to the Rockford LCN to the tune of $37,000. The files said the owner sold the bakery to cover the debt. The original owners were the Marinelli family and at some point ownership changed hands to the Bowler family who was the son-in-law. Now, I still have to find out when this took place or even who the Marinelli son was.
That is very interesting. Surprised the Outfit just didn’t take it over in place of the debt. Was the Bowler family still running it when it closed this past year? Also, where was the original location?
