Cleveland Crime Family

[Patrickgold]

No that was my mistake when I copied and pasted your response to PolackTony. But you did post

Lombardo would go to Bella Noite every Friday and get their fish special. I remember that very well

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You must have been one perceptive kid to be privy to when and where Lombardo was conducting his meetings and what he ate during those meetings.


Pogo

Being in my late teens and early 20s and seeing him come in while bullshitting with the owners and talking about who just walked in. Yea that would never happen.

Yes, it never happened. You would have been 22 years old in 2007. Lombardo DISAPPEARED well before April of 2005 when the Feds finally found him hiding in Elmwood Park.

What are you babbling about now? Oh so you know my exact age? I was 22 in 2007? I don’t believe I ever gave my age. I think I said I was in my 30’s which is very general. But you seem to have all the answers from Atlanta. Please enlighten me

[Pogo The Clown]

If you are in your 30s now you would have been just a kid in the 90s when you claimed to have regularly seen Lombardo holding meetings. Like I said you must have been one perceptive kid to be privy to when and where Lombardo was conducting his meetings and what he ate during those meetings.


Pogo

[Patrickgold]

If you are in your 30s now you would have been just a kid in the 90s when you claimed to have regularly seen Lombardo holding meetings. Like I said you must have been one perceptive kid to be privy to when and where Lombardo was conducting his meetings and what he ate during those meetings.


Pogo

You know way to much info about kids behavior. Obviously you don’t read my post. Lombardo was indicted in 2005 and went on the run for 6 months and I believe he was caught in 2006. As I stated before, I first went in the late 90s when I was in my teens. Regularly in 2001 or 2002 probably once every two weeks. Lombardo was going there almost EVERY week up until the time he was indicted. I know it’s hard to fathom that people see and know people that you only read about. If you live in a big city, it’s not a big deal. Time to get over it.

[Pogo The Clown]

So the story changes to cover up your obvious timeline blunder. You aren't the first. I guess it is easier than to just admit you were cought fibbing.


Pogo

[Patrickgold]

So the story changes to cover up your obvious timeline blunder. You aren't the first. I guess it is easier than to just admit you were cought fibbing.


Pogo

Whatever makes you feel better. Just Bc you idiots assume things without me saying it doesn’t mean I’m changing my story. Just Bc you ASSUMED when I said I went there that it was in 1993 when Lombardo got out of jail and Bella Notte wasn’t even opened yet doesn’t mean that is what I said or meant. Just Bc you ASSUMED when I said I saw him in Bella Notte that I claimed I saw him holding “court” doesn’t mean that is what I meant or said. I gave a general answer and you idiots ASSUMED wrongly. I said I was in my 30’s and ole Confederate assumed i was 36 for some reason. Don’t know what to tell you

[Angelo Santino]

Interesting subject.

I think we can agree there's no evidence of any functioning family there and hasn't been since Licavoli. Doesn't change the fact that since then right up to Joe Loose's death, that area has had a "Mafia Boss" like Pittston had in D'Elia. For outsiders like us, we are left to wonder what's the point? But one thing that needs to be noted and understood is that these non-family area Bosses are recognized by New York as equal boss, we seen this with D'Elia and in the early 90's Joe Loose came up in some connection to NY.

Since he died, we don't know if there's a new Boss or not. Theoretically, I could see NY keeping the formality by asking if anyone wants the job. If someone raised their hand, they'd be recognized by NY as CL's Boss in control of their (lack of) interests. Alternatively, this last member wanted nothing more to do with anything then NY would deem CL an open territory. I'm not saying "New York would move in" en masse, but a few individuals might. There's still Italian families who have relatives between both cities, they could use those connections to open a club or do book whatever, and they wouldn't need any permission or courtesy nod to Cleveland.

[Pogo The Clown]

It is clear what you were saying. 1993, 1995 or "late 1990s" you would still would have been a kid. The thought that you were regularly dining out at a particular restaurant to observer a high ranking mobster holding meetings and doing so enough times to know what his regular dining schedule was and exactly what he ordered is laughable. Even in 2001/2 you would have still been a pissant and not even of legal drinking age. Your story doesn't pass the smell test.


Pogo

[Pogo The Clown]

I think we can agree there's no evidence of any functioning family there and hasn't been since Licavoli. Doesn't change the fact that since then right up to Joe Loose's death, that area has had a "Mafia Boss" like Pittston had in D'Elia. For outsiders like us, we are left to wonder what's the point? But one thing that needs to be noted and understood is that these non-family area Bosses are recognized by New York as equal boss, we seen this with D'Elia and in the early 90's Joe Loose came up in some connection to NY.

I could be mistaken but I don't believe Iacobacci was ever a recognized Boss like D'Elia was.


Pogo

[Patrickgold]

It is clear what you were saying. 1993, 1995 or "late 1990s" you would still would have been a kid. The thought that you were regularly dining out at a particular restaurant to observer a high ranking mobster holding meetings and doing so enough times to know what his regular dining schedule was and exactly what he ordered is laughable. Even in 2001/2 you would have still been a pissant and not even of legal drinking age. Your story doesn't pass the smell test.


Pogo

There you go assuming again. 99 and 93 is a six year difference. It’s kind of a big gap. I could be 12 in 93 and 18 in 99. Kind of a big difference. Also, do kids not go to restaurants? Do kids not go to restaurants with parents and/or family. Are restaurants only for people that are certain age. That’s laughable that you live in a world where you think that. That tells me that you don’t get out of the house very much. Second, his eating habits were not a secret. There were multiple places you could find him during the week depending on the day.

[Patrickgold]

Interesting subject.

I think we can agree there's no evidence of any functioning family there and hasn't been since Licavoli. Doesn't change the fact that since then right up to Joe Loose's death, that area has had a "Mafia Boss" like Pittston had in D'Elia. For outsiders like us, we are left to wonder what's the point? But one thing that needs to be noted and understood is that these non-family area Bosses are recognized by New York as equal boss, we seen this with D'Elia and in the early 90's Joe Loose came up in some connection to NY.

Since he died, we don't know if there's a new Boss or not. Theoretically, I could see NY keeping the formality by asking if anyone wants the job. If someone raised their hand, they'd be recognized by NY as CL's Boss in control of their (lack of) interests. Alternatively, this last member wanted nothing more to do with anything then NY would deem CL an open territory. I'm not saying "New York would move in" en masse, but a few individuals might. There's still Italian families who have relatives between both cities, they could use those connections to open a club or do book whatever, and they wouldn't need any permission or courtesy nod to Cleveland.

I think Joe Loose was even working with Chicago in the 90s on a bank scheme and he was identified as the boss by the FBI. I could be wrong. Will have too look

[Angelo Santino]

I think we can agree there's no evidence of any functioning family there and hasn't been since Licavoli. Doesn't change the fact that since then right up to Joe Loose's death, that area has had a "Mafia Boss" like Pittston had in D'Elia. For outsiders like us, we are left to wonder what's the point? But one thing that needs to be noted and understood is that these non-family area Bosses are recognized by New York as equal boss, we seen this with D'Elia and in the early 90's Joe Loose came up in some connection to NY.

I could be mistaken but I don't believe Iacobacci was ever a recognized Boss like D'Elia was.


Pogo

I think you're correct, he was only acting. Stroccos would be one to ask... I also made a chart on CL's lineage which includes a quote on Loose's status as Acting Boss, it appears law enforcement gave him that title: download/file.php?id=3903&mode=view

Given how other groups seemed to contact him in regards to that area it points to something. it's a point of contact for Families in other cities to go to if there's a need. That's the purpose these formal leaders of semi-defunct groups constitute, it's very much the mafia regressing back to its roots. These family deaths provide us an idea of how things perhaps began since those who did never documented it.

For instance, outside of Bryan, Texas was a community of Corleonese which was there since the 1870's and began to decline by the 1900's. Was there ever a group there? Morello spent some time there when he was in Texas. I suspect there were some groups (formally recognized by other Mafia groups) that didn't survive past the 1920's and 30's. Birmingham being one.

[Angelo Santino]

Interesting subject.

I think we can agree there's no evidence of any functioning family there and hasn't been since Licavoli. Doesn't change the fact that since then right up to Joe Loose's death, that area has had a "Mafia Boss" like Pittston had in D'Elia. For outsiders like us, we are left to wonder what's the point? But one thing that needs to be noted and understood is that these non-family area Bosses are recognized by New York as equal boss, we seen this with D'Elia and in the early 90's Joe Loose came up in some connection to NY.

Since he died, we don't know if there's a new Boss or not. Theoretically, I could see NY keeping the formality by asking if anyone wants the job. If someone raised their hand, they'd be recognized by NY as CL's Boss in control of their (lack of) interests. Alternatively, this last member wanted nothing more to do with anything then NY would deem CL an open territory. I'm not saying "New York would move in" en masse, but a few individuals might. There's still Italian families who have relatives between both cities, they could use those connections to open a club or do book whatever, and they wouldn't need any permission or courtesy nod to Cleveland.

I think Joe Loose was even working with Chicago in the 90s on a bank scheme and he was identified as the boss by the FBI. I could be wrong. Will have too look

Could you? If you could provide that and the source that would be excellent. Salut.

[Pogo The Clown]

If I remember right it was Russell Papalardo who was connected to the Outfit is some kind of workers comp scam back in the 1990s/early 2000s. Iacobacci was involved in a bank fraud scam in NJ in the 1990s (connected to the DeCavalcantes?) in which he served some time. I don't recall the Feds ever labeling him the Official Boss. Just Acting Boss like the quote you posted. Someone on the old forums once posted that a federal document from 1995 also listed him as Acting Boss though I haven't seen it myself. I think it was just a label to describe him since he was never officially confirmed as a Boss. By the 1990s-early 2000s Clevleand never had more than 1-3 active members at any one time so it was kind of moot point anyway.


Pogo

[Villain]

It is clear what you were saying. 1993, 1995 or "late 1990s" you would still would have been a kid. The thought that you were regularly dining out at a particular restaurant to observer a high ranking mobster holding meetings and doing so enough times to know what his regular dining schedule was and exactly what he ordered is laughable. Even in 2001/2 you would have still been a pissant and not even of legal drinking age. Your story doesn't pass the smell test.


Pogo

There you go assuming again. 99 and 93 is a six year difference. It’s kind of a big gap. I could be 12 in 93 and 18 in 99. Kind of a big difference. Also, do kids not go to restaurants? Do kids not go to restaurants with parents and/or family. Are restaurants only for people that are certain age. That’s laughable that you live in a world where you think that. That tells me that you don’t get out of the house very much. Second, his eating habits were not a secret. There were multiple places you could find him during the week depending on the day.

Im not taking sides but this what Pogo and Confed refer to...and it seems that we have info on Lombardo being present on that 1999 meeting regarding that casino, probably right after his parole finished...so if Lombardo had any public deals, it mustve been during the end or after 1999...so maybe you mixed up the years a little bit, no big deal

[Confederate]

It is clear what you were saying. 1993, 1995 or "late 1990s" you would still would have been a kid. The thought that you were regularly dining out at a particular restaurant to observer a high ranking mobster holding meetings and doing so enough times to know what his regular dining schedule was and exactly what he ordered is laughable. Even in 2001/2 you would have still been a pissant and not even of legal drinking age. Your story doesn't pass the smell test.


Pogo

There you go assuming again. 99 and 93 is a six year difference. It’s kind of a big gap. I could be 12 in 93 and 18 in 99. Kind of a big difference. Also, do kids not go to restaurants? Do kids not go to restaurants with parents and/or family. Are restaurants only for people that are certain age. That’s laughable that you live in a world where you think that. That tells me that you don’t get out of the house very much. Second, his eating habits were not a secret. There were multiple places you could find him during the week depending on the day.

Im not taking sides but this what Pogo and Confed refer to...and it seems that we have info on Lombardo being present on that 1999 meeting regarding that casino, probably right after his parole finished...so if Lombardo had any public deals, it mustve been during the end or after 1999...so maybe you mixed up the years a little bit, no big deal

Thanks for posting Villain.
Nobody saw Lombardo "Holding Court" in the mid to late 90's" at a "Public Restaurant" when was he was on parole. End of this discussion.