Nicky JR gets 30 years

[B.]

Scarfo Jr. isn't a tough guy either, though.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Jr Gotti would have done the same regardless if his dad was alive. Jr Gotti wasn't your typical kid from Howard Beach. While other kids were brawling in the streets he lived a sheltered life in a NY military school with kids from there upper middle class of LI North shore. He wasn't cut out for that life. If JR was convicted at one of his trials and sentenced to 50yrs he would almost certainly flipped.

What bullshit.

Apologies Rocco, as I do like you and genuinely value your contributions but this simply wrong.

1. Junior was hardly a sheltered kid. He'd rip most people in two, if it came to it. I dont know how you define tough, but junior's not a pussy.

2. Junior did TEN years. Without a fucking peep.

3. Junior faced FOUR trials with a LIFE sentence and stood up. Now people can throw that proffer shit around all they want but he faced four trials and didnt blink.

What the fuck do you want from a guy? Did ten years, faced four trials for life and you label him a 'almost certainly he wouldve flipped' rat.
Thats baseless and completely ignorant of the facts, which point precisely to the opposite.

Scarfo Jr. isn't a tough guy either, though.

Really? He's doing 30years without a peep.
But no, youre right, what a pussy.


I may seem harsh to both valued posters but it does annoy me when these guys get labeled 'rat' or a pussy for literally zero reason. You cant say much about them thats good, but surely standing up and taking their punishment is worth something these days.

[Pete]

Jr Gotti would have done the same regardless if his dad was alive. Jr Gotti wasn't your typical kid from Howard Beach. While other kids were brawling in the streets he lived a sheltered life in a NY military school with kids from there upper middle class of LI North shore. He wasn't cut out for that life. If JR was convicted at one of his trials and sentenced to 50yrs he would almost certainly flipped.

What bullshit.

Apologies Rocco, as I do like you and genuinely value your contributions but this simply wrong.

1. Junior was hardly a sheltered kid. He'd rip most people in two, if it came to it. I dont know how you define tough, but junior's not a pussy.

2. Junior did TEN years. Without a fucking peep.

3. Junior faced FOUR trials with a LIFE sentence and stood up. Now people can throw that proffer shit around all they want but he faced four trials and didnt blink.

What the fuck do you want from a guy? Did ten years, faced four trials for life and you label him a 'almost certainly he wouldve flipped' rat.
Thats baseless and completely ignorant of the facts, which point precisely to the opposite.

Scarfo Jr. isn't a tough guy either, though.

Really? He's doing 30years without a peep.
But no, youre right, what a pussy.


I may seem harsh to both valued posters but it does annoy me when these guys get labeled 'rat' or a pussy for literally zero reason. You cant say much about them thats good, but surely standing up and taking their punishment is worth something these days.

He hasn't started his sentence yet so its premature to say he's gonna do it without a peep. Depends how hard they bust his balls and where they send him. If the old man dies who knows. He most likely will do his sentence though that's all he knows he's done a good amount of time already and had to know the end game. For the record though he was never known as a tough guy more of a new age racketeer not a gangster.

[Pete]

Jr Gotti would have done the same regardless if his dad was alive. Jr Gotti wasn't your typical kid from Howard Beach. While other kids were brawling in the streets he lived a sheltered life in a NY military school with kids from there upper middle class of LI North shore. He wasn't cut out for that life. If JR was convicted at one of his trials and sentenced to 50yrs he would almost certainly flipped.

What bullshit.

Apologies Rocco, as I do like you and genuinely value your contributions but this simply wrong.

1. Junior was hardly a sheltered kid. He'd rip most people in two, if it came to it. I dont know how you define tough, but junior's not a pussy.

2. Junior did TEN years. Without a fucking peep.

3. Junior faced FOUR trials with a LIFE sentence and stood up. Now people can throw that proffer shit around all they want but he faced four trials and didnt blink.

What the fuck do you want from a guy? Did ten years, faced four trials for life and you label him a 'almost certainly he wouldve flipped' rat.
Thats baseless and completely ignorant of the facts, which point precisely to the opposite.

Scarfo Jr. isn't a tough guy either, though.

Really? He's doing 30years without a peep.
But no, youre right, what a pussy.


I may seem harsh to both valued posters but it does annoy me when these guys get labeled 'rat' or a pussy for literally zero reason. You cant say much about them thats good, but surely standing up and taking their punishment is worth something these days.

And also for the record jr did not do his time without a peep he gave chapter and verse in a proffer session discussed murders that's certainly a peep

[Sol]

Jr Gotti would have done the same regardless if his dad was alive. Jr Gotti wasn't your typical kid from Howard Beach. While other kids were brawling in the streets he lived a sheltered life in a NY military school with kids from there upper middle class of LI North shore. He wasn't cut out for that life. If JR was convicted at one of his trials and sentenced to 50yrs he would almost certainly flipped.

What bullshit.

Apologies Rocco, as I do like you and genuinely value your contributions but this simply wrong.

1. Junior was hardly a sheltered kid. He'd rip most people in two, if it came to it. I dont know how you define tough, but junior's not a pussy.

2. Junior did TEN years. Without a fucking peep.

3. Junior faced FOUR trials with a LIFE sentence and stood up. Now people can throw that proffer shit around all they want but he faced four trials and didnt blink.

What the fuck do you want from a guy? Did ten years, faced four trials for life and you label him a 'almost certainly he wouldve flipped' rat.
Thats baseless and completely ignorant of the facts, which point precisely to the opposite.

Scarfo Jr. isn't a tough guy either, though.

Really? He's doing 30years without a peep.
But no, youre right, what a pussy.


I may seem harsh to both valued posters but it does annoy me when these guys get labeled 'rat' or a pussy for literally zero reason. You cant say much about them thats good, but surely standing up and taking their punishment is worth something these days.

Just from reading up on him, and everything that has come out about him, I think Jr is a pussy. And I believe if he was convicted in any of those trials, he would have flipped, even if sr was still alive. And I believe most people in the streets, would have beaten the hell out of jr in a one and one. All that muscle means nothing if you have no heart, and I believe jr has no heart. Of course, that's just my two Sonny.......Soliai

[B.]

I didn't say Scarfo is a pussy, I was referring to the comparison to Gotti Jr. Neither of them are "tough guys" in the sense that their fathers were and I don't think Junior necessarily had an easier life than Scarfo Jr.. They were sons of bosses who had access to high levels of the organization practically right out of high school and never had to put in the work and time on the street that their fathers did.

Now don't get me wrong, just because Scarfo Jr. used to post on genealogy websites ten years ago and looks like a software developer doesn't mean he is less of a "stand up guy"... the reality is just that he never earned a reputation on his own for being tough.

[Rocco]

Jr Gotti would have done the same regardless if his dad was alive. Jr Gotti wasn't your typical kid from Howard Beach. While other kids were brawling in the streets he lived a sheltered life in a NY military school with kids from there upper middle class of LI North shore. He wasn't cut out for that life. If JR was convicted at one of his trials and sentenced to 50yrs he would almost certainly flipped.

What bullshit.

Apologies Rocco, as I do like you and genuinely value your contributions but this simply wrong.

1. Junior was hardly a sheltered kid. He'd rip most people in two, if it came to it. I dont know how you define tough, but junior's not a pussy.

2. Junior did TEN years. Without a fucking peep.

3. Junior faced FOUR trials with a LIFE sentence and stood up. Now people can throw that proffer shit around all they want but he faced four trials and didnt blink.

What the fuck do you want from a guy? Did ten years, faced four trials for life and you label him a 'almost certainly he wouldve flipped' rat.
Thats baseless and completely ignorant of the facts, which point precisely to the opposite.

Scarfo Jr. isn't a tough guy either, though.

Really? He's doing 30years without a peep.
But no, youre right, what a pussy.


I may seem harsh to both valued posters but it does annoy me when these guys get labeled 'rat' or a pussy for literally zero reason. You cant say much about them thats good, but surely standing up and taking their punishment is worth something these days.

With all do respect pal....you are very very wrong about JR. He might have lifted weights and did a lot of steroids but that doesn't mean you are a tough guy? lol His father sent him to private school with rich kids from CT and LI north shore. He was not cut out for the life. Alite and all the other kids who grew up on the streets of queens would have torn JR apart if it weren't for his father. FACT.

He did tens yrs without a peep? What was his proffer session then? He did a proffer session BUT he would have done 45yrs if he was convicted? get the fuck outta here. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You got JR confused with his father. If JR was convicted at one of his trials he would have flipped right away. You got JR confused for his dad I think .

[Five Felonies]

i think what it comes down to is that both scarfo sr and gotti sr earned fear/respect themselves, their sons seemingly just piggybacked on their reputations to further their own foolish criminal careers. do you seriously think either of those 2 dopes were ever tested growing up the same way others were who were looking to get into that life? with that said, scarfo jr was sprayed with a submachine gun and yet he still returned to the life. stupid yes, but also pretty ballsy imo.

[Wiseguy]

What happened to the Scarfo crime family?
DONNA WEAVER & BRIAN IANIERI Staff Writers
August 4, 2015


A father had three sons.

The oldest changed his name.

The youngest hanged himself, resulting in his death years later.

And the middle child — who bears his father’s first name, Nicodemo — followed in his footsteps, sentenced last week to 30 years in prison for racketeering.

This is the story of Atlantic City’s most infamous crime family, surname: Scarfo.

“You wonder if you believe in karma,” said George Anastasia, the longtime mob reporter with the Philadelphia Inquirer and the author of the book “Gotti’s Rules.” “If you look at Nicky Scarfo’s personal family, what happened?”

Nicodemo D. “Little Nicky” Scarfo, the former head of the Philadelphia-South Jersey mafia, is serving a life sentence in federal prison in Atlanta on murder and racketeering charges.

His family members grew up in Atlantic County, played basketball, were altar boys, went surfing.

His wife walked down Atlantic City’s Arctic Avenue to Barbera Fish Market to buy conch for scungilli and crabs to make spaghetti and tall pots of gravy.

“What happened between them was between them, the Scarfos. It was none of our business,” said Dominic Alcaro, the now-owner of the market who had worked there at the time.

Little Nicky owned a white apartment building at 26 N. Georgia Ave. in the city’s Ducktown section — known locally at that time as ‘Little Italy.”

The steep steps that led to the front door were a place of family and food.

The secrets and business that went on within those walls were not things that concerned children.

Atlantic County Freeholder Frank Formica grew up at 2310 Arctic Ave., but spent a good portion of his childhood there as a boyhood friend of Phillip “Crazy Phil” Leonetti, Scarfo Sr.’s nephew.

As children, they were both altar boys at St. Michael’s Roman Catholic Church.

“Crazy Philly, oh, he had the most merits from the nuns. They really favored him. Crazy Philly was the only one of us who could get to 6 a.m. Mass on time,” Formica said.

“They were model children. And Crazy Philly? He was the most clean-cut, mannerly kid. Never in a fist fight, not violent,” Formica said. “I got into more trouble than Philly and Nicky.”

Just up the street from the fish market, Formica said he would see Scarfo Sr. when he came into his father’s bakery to buy loaves of bread.

(Nicodemo D. “Little Nicky” Scarfo is often called Scarfo Sr., although he and his middle son have different middle names.)

“Nicky Scarfo Sr. wasn’t scary to me. He was always well-dressed, had a nice car, soft-spoken and rumor has it he had a sweet tooth,” Formica said.

There was never an indicator that Scarfo Sr.’s son or nephew Leonetti would grow into a life of crime either, Formica said.

Formica and Leonetti were usually too busy surfing. There was always a hot meal on the table when they walked back from the beach, Formica said.

Leonetti now lives under a false identity; he turned informant after receiving a 45-year prison sentence in 1989 and got a reduced sentence.

Brigantine police officers Lt. Jim Bennett and Ralph Spina have very different memories of the Scarfos and Leonetti from their days at Holy Spirit High School.

Everyone knew the Scarfo family was in the mob, but no one really talked about it, the men said.

“We used to always see them down at the underage club in Somers Point and at Soda’s, and then Memories in Margate. They would roll up with their entourage and everyone knew they were there,” Bennett said.

“Yeah, and the Scarfos, they got the girls. They swarmed them. But those were the guys with the cash and the clothes,” Spina said.

Bennett said it was the Miami Vice-era.

The youngest of three brothers, Mark Scarfo, and members of his entourage donned pastel and white clothing, slicked back hair and sunglasses.

“We called Mark, Don Johnson. We called them potato chippers. They were wannabes,” Spina said.

Bennett, 46, was four years younger than Nicodemo S. Scarfo — the middle Scarfo child.

“Nicky flew under the wire. Never fought. He was nothing, a nobody. Mark was the one who took his father’s name and ran with it,” Spina said.

While at Holy Spirit, Spina said he had multiple run-ins with Mark Scarfo that resulted in physical altercations. After one of those fights at school, Mark Scarfo called for backup.

“He called up his uncle, Crazy Phil and he came to school. He was waiting for me after school and he had a gun,” Spina said.

After an exchange in the parking lot, Spina escaped unscathed, but shaken up.

The anger still lingers.

If Spina could speak to Mark Scarfo now, he’d tell him to his face: “You’re a punk. You’re not your father. Your father was crazy and everyone feared him,” Spina said.

Mark Scarfo hanged himself in 1988 when he was 17 and was in a vegetative state before dying in 2014.

Brother Chris Scarfo sought to distance himself from the notoriety of the family name.

His brother Nicodemo S. Scarfo — the quiet one — survived an assassination attempt at a South Philadelphia Italian restaurant on Halloween in 1989, then age 24.

He was sentenced to 30 years in prison last Tuesday for participating in a racketeering conspiracy and related offenses at Irving, Texas-based mortgage company FirstPlus Financial Group.

He had recently lived in a quaint Galloway Township home.

“Scarfo Jr. wasn’t a dumb guy. He could have done other stuff. He was very computer oriented — he could have done that,” Anastasia said. “But he was in his father’s shadow.”

Dick Ross, who headed the FBI’s organized crime operations here at the time, was there when agents arrested Scarfo at Atlantic City Airport in 1987 — the one that put him away for life.

His son Nicodemo was on that plane too, “making a lot of noise, bad mouthing us,” Ross recalled.

“I said to Scarfo, ‘You tell him to behave himself or we’ll take him along with us,’” Ross said.

“Scarfo yelled, ‘Nicky, go home.’”

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[B.]

Never heard that about Mark Scarfo acting like a wannabe gangster and using his father's name. Just creates more questions about why he tried to kill himself.

[SonnyBlackstein]

scarfo jr was sprayed with a submachine gun and yet he still returned to the life.

Thats the fundamental disagreement here. Its a disagreement on defining 'tough'.
'Tough' IMO isnt a childish BB competition of which button has the best MMA skills.

Its about getting shot 9 times and eating 30 years.
Or doing 10 and facing 4 life trials.

Now Ive never compared either with their parents, nor insinuated there werent harder guys around. But those two payed a fair price for the life for that generation and I think because of their fathers the price they've paid on their own bat is often overlooked or written off. Any other guy gets shot 9 times and eats a 30 year sentence he's 'tough' as fuck, last name Scarfo and its 'if it wasnt for his father he'd have rolled'.

[Rocco]

Or doing 10 and facing 4 life trials.
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He proffered BEFORE one trial. Which means had he been convicted he surely would have flipped to avoid a 30-50yr sentence. You seem to purposely leave out the proffer session for some reason...?

[SonnyBlackstein]

Because I dont think it means anything.
He had RICO facing life trials before and after the proffer and he didnt flip. Before or after.
What did he get? Immunity? No. Did he make a deal? No. He went to trial, with no immunity or deal. Four times.
So as I said it doesnt mean anything.

[rayray]

Well, Crazy Phil was a feared killer and he flipped. Then Sammy Gravano, same thing. Abe Reles, flipped. Joseph Valachi, maybe not exactly feared but a killer and fighter nonetheless, he flipped too. A lot of tough guys flip so why could someone not viewed as "tough" not flip and do his time? Someone like Nicky Scarfo Jr., if he believes who he is and what he stands for he'll probably do his time like his father, probably figured it was going to end like this anyways.

[Rocco]

Because I dont think it means anything.
He had RICO facing life trials before and after the proffer and he didnt flip. Before or after.
What did he get? Immunity? No. Did he make a deal? No. He went to trial, with no immunity or deal. Four times.
So as I said it doesnt mean anything.

It doesn't mean anything if you Joe Schmoe from LI. But to LCN it means everything. He didn't fully flip because he wasn't convicted period. It means nothing when a LCN members does a Proffer session and gives up crimes on other LCN Members(Marino & Watts) ??? Wow I didn't get the memo that its ok to Proffer Now to avoid jailtime or see what kind of plea deal you can get by proffering. ...... JR IS A FUCKIN RAT...PERIOD !