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B. wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:39 am
Villain wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:46 am
B. wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:42 am That isn't true. In the Bonanno family we have evidence from many sources of "verbal only" inductions happening possibly as early as the late 1920s, based on Bonanno's description of his own induction, plus ceremonies in the 1950s and 1970s-2000s. That's a comparable amount of time to Chicago, possibly even longer.

With the DeCavalcantes, we only know that they did "verbal only" inductions in the 1970s and 1980s. We don't have any information on their inductions from the 1950s and earlier, so it's entirely possible it went back further with them as well, we just don't have the data to trace it back.

Chicago is definitely not unique in terms of their "casual" approach to inductions, though I would agree this approach added to their other nontraditional qualities and character as an organization.
You are constantly using the word "possibly" dont you think? Lots of possibilities out there but the problem is that Chicago was unique in having non-traditional inductions for 5 straight decades...im not using "possibly" and im not using hot and cold situations and examples

Agree to disagree? And lets switch to PolackTony so we can continue the same convo... ;)
We have many confirmed examples of the Bonannos doing this for over 50 years. I tend to say "possibly" in these discussions because I've learned not to make definitive statements about a shadowy subject that is constantly changing as we learn more. It is however a fact that the Bonannos held numerous nontraditional "verbal only" inductions between the 1950s - 2000s and this is confirmed by numerous CIs and CWs -- something we have very few of in Chicago.

Chicago isn't unique in their approach to nontraditional induction ceremonies and finding these parallels between different mafia organizations should be interesting to you, not an excuse to attack or accuse someone who shares valid information in good faith.
I already asked you to give me some examples since you are the Chicago expert and Anti, Confed and I aint the experts, but you didnt....give me examples regarding Chicago, not the Bonannos or Philly

I also feel your hidden agenda, and its not just me....so as you already said, lets agree to disagree ok? And one last question...are you using double accounts? You can send me the answer via pm, believe me i wont tell anyone...its a manly thing to do....you will not settle down until Anti or CC comes in...so back off pls
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Confederate wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:29 am
Villain wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:27 am
Confederate wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:05 am
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Villain wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:39 pm In addition, heres another proof regarding the Outfits "Sicilian" way....

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This doesn't really play out as Sicilian or non-Sicilian, though, as the Bonanno and DeCavalcante families also had a long history of doing casual "verbal only" ceremonies and they were two of the most Sicilian families in the United States for generations with large "zip" "factions. The Lucchese family also did at least one "verbal only" ceremony in the 1950s. It seems like the more tight-knit and insular families were willing to forego the ceremony when they saw fit regardless of their heritage.

Just to clarify, since it comes up, I've never wanted to prove the post-1931 Chicago family was a heavily Sicilian-centric family. While they continued to have members of Sicilian heritage and there were a number of figures like D'Andrea, Prio, Bacino, etc. who could be considered a bridge between the old Sicilian factions and the Capone element, in no way do I think they were heavily influenced by Sicilian mafia culture in later generations beyond continuing to be a recognized Cosa Nostra / mafia family.

When I've mentioned Sicily in connection to the post-1931 Chicago family, all I mean is they were a continuation of the same Chicago mafia family that had previously been led by Sicilian bosses and they used the basic rules and protocol establish by the Sicilian mafia -- even if they did ignore and change some of the protocol over time. Capone took over the boss position from Salvatore LoVerde and they continued to be recognized as a mafia (or "Cosa Nostra") family by other mafia organizations. Beyond that, I have no reason to believe they maintained a significant Sicilian influence over the years and it is clear they were heavily Americanized early on.
Wrong again. You still are stuck on that "Sicilian Obsession". The Capone Syndicate "absorbed" the smaller Chicago Mafia group. The Outfit was a huge Syndicate Organization BEFORE Capone ever was made in 1928. In 1927, the Capone Organization grossed $105 Million Dollars in Business. They were way bigger than the smaller Chicago Mafia Group. They "absorbed" them & the "Capone Organization" became recognized as one of the LCN Families.
Theres obviously a hidden agenda here. Its happening for the second time and some people simply dont have the respect for our work and want to discredit us by using "possibly" and "if" and unbased theories....let it go
Read the "Drug Thread" some time & you'll get your answer.
Yup....just saw few of the posts and i completely agree
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Villain wrote:I also feel your hidden agenda, and its not just me....so as you already said, lets agree to disagree ok?
All I do on this research and discussion board is share my views and interpretations of information. Sometimes those ideas challenge other people's ideas, including people I respect. I'm okay with being challenged myself. Sometimes I'm right, other times I'm wrong. Sometimes nobody is wrong because the right answer simply isn't available and we can only offer our interpretations.

I can't imagine what my hidden agenda would be. A while back I had the very open agenda of wanting to discuss Chicago from a broader perspective, to compare/contrast them with other mafia families and look at how different member sources described them. I was more than happy to have you contribute whether you agreed or disagreed with my interpretations. I learned from those discussions, including your posts.

I'm glad you care about Chicago, but I've been back for a day from a hiatus from the board and within a few posts about Chicago you've snapped into a weird position filled with absolutes, strawman arguments, and paranoid accusations. You don't have to enjoy my posts or respond to them, but I've done nothing wrong and I'm going to do what I always do. If you want to be a gentleman again, I won't hold a grudge. If you don't want to be a gentleman, that's fine too. I'm not changing anything I do on here.
Villain wrote:And one last question...are you using double accounts? You can send me the answer via pm, believe me i wont tell anyone...its a manly thing to do....you will not settle down until Anti or CC comes in...so back off pls
I don't know what you're even asking, man.
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Antiliar wrote:As far as publication, can't tell yet.
Is the book going to be about the Outfit? Is it in collaboration with the other fellas?
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6 or 7 years ago (i remember i was still with my first ex-wife at the time), Antiliar and I constantly had conflicts regarding the Outfit, mainly because i was very stubborn and i was also one way street, but as time passed by I slowly understood and accepted the reality which was presented by him to me....thats why i call him "Phil Jackson" because he coached me on a lot of stuff, such as guilty by association and jumping to conclusions....i have the same opinion regarding Confederate, Snakes, Pete, Funkster and other fellas, meaning at first i also went against their theories but in the end I realized i wasnt 100% correct.....we called ourselves names (i was the gipsy since im an outsider, ask HK he will explain it lol love you bud) and stuff but we still managed to get over it....the Chicago talk was always looked upon as controversial but i strongly believe that only few of us managed to change that after a long time, and we will continue to fight to keep it that way.

So i want to thank all of the previously mentioned fellas and I also cant wait to see Anti's project and i believe his project might clear different situations, besides our few conflicting opinions regarding certain time periods. Let my story be a lesson to every current and future researcher, meaning sometimes you have to keep your mouth shut and listen....so later you can really understand on what went down and create your own opinion like I did, and the best thing is that im still learning by knowing that we are in the right direction
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Discuss/debate Chicago and whatever.

Any personal non-Chicago related issues with each other, continue it here: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=6410
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Back to the original theme of this thread, it's not my place to get into the Camorra much here, but I used to look at families like Chicago and the Genovese and assume there was much more "Camorra influence" to their organizations given the backgrounds of certain influential members and the unique qualities those organizations have. It's buried somewhere in there, for sure. However, what I mistook as a mainland criminal influence I think is better described simply as "Americanization". Magaddino's own words meeting with Paul Ricca and Salvatore LoVerde in 1931, where he described them as heads of the respective "Americanized" and "Greaseball" factions of Chicago speak volumes.

Magaddino didn't say Ricca was head of the "Neapolitan" or "mainland" faction even though "Greaseball" was a euphemism for Sicilian and we have examples in other cities (Pittsburgh and Philadelphia) where things were broken down strictly along ethnic lines that way -- in Philadelphia you had the separate Calabresi faction and the Sicilian faction even into the 1970s, which Magaddino comments on in a different tape. Magaddino was not a Sicilian purist as he got along well with Calabrians in his own family and in Philadelphia, but he is quick to point out ethnic Italian differences in countless transcripts, so it isn't that he was oblivious to Ricca's background, yet he referred to him as head of the "Americanized" element.

As I mentioned earlier with the Genovese family, "Americanization" didn't necessarily mean nontraditional when it came to rules and protocol, as the Genovese kept up the traditional induction ceremony while the heavily Sicilian Bonanno family became loose with their "ceremony" very early and did so for decades, like Chicago. If we found out that the Genovese family had been the one to forego the traditional ceremony beginning with Luciano, I don't think any of us would have been that surprised. But no, it was under Joe Bonanno's watch in a family filled with men from Sicilian mafia backgrounds, that the induction protocol slipped drastically as early as Willie Dara's 1950 induction and that gives credence to Joe Bonanno's own account of his late 1920s induction, which was just a dinner where he was informed of his membership. Carmine Galante's 1970s inductions resumed this, with a verbal induction even taking place in a barroom with other patrons present.

Then we have the Gambinos under John Gotti, as American as it gets with Neapolitan heritage, forcing the heavily Sicilian DeCavalcante family to re-make over ten years worth of new members when he found out they didn't do the traditional ceremony. And that plays back into Chicago, too, where an organization that was already heavily Americanized by 1931 and had loosened up their induction process like the Bonannos decided to become more strict with their traditional ceremonies again in the 1980s, when their ties to the historic mafia were much less important even than 1931.

Based on these examples, I don't think we can say that it is "Americanization" or "non-Sicilian" values that cause organizations to get loose with certain rules and protocol, at least concerning inductions. I'm reminded of the Giuseppe Morello letters again, where as early as 1901-1904 Vito Cascio Ferro and Pasquale Enea were accused of not doing a proper background check on new members they had inducted.

Does this mean that the Americanized and non-Sicilian mafia members in the US took the rules more seriously than the members with Sicilian heritage? Of course not. What it looks like, though, is there is no common reason why certain groups did nor didn't follow traditional procedure consistently. Maybe it was laziness, the tight-knit nature of certain families, or convenience. In Chicago's case, them being the only show in town would have made it highly unlikely for a Gotti-DeCavalcante situation to play out, so there was no concern about maintaining appearances to other groups. Except at some point they did decide the full traditional ceremony was important seemingly for their own internal reasons -- and that's interesting.
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Lupara, I'm working on several books with different people. One is on the Outfit.

Villian, thanks for the kind words. Yes, things changed since those days on GBB. We've all done some growing since then. I've learned from you too (the Phil D'Andrea as Chinatown capo being one example). I've also been impressed that guys like you and HK who live far from the USA research so much about organized crime in this foreign place. Part of good historical thinking is keeping an open mind and staying more interested in the truth about what happened over being right. I think by both of us having open minds we've continued to learn. This has been a great forum for brainstorming and bouncing ideas off each other.
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Antiliar wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:04 pm Lupara, I'm working on several books with different people. One is on the Outfit.

Villian, thanks for the kind words. Yes, things changed since those days on GBB. We've all done some growing since then. I've learned from you too (the Phil D'Andrea as Chinatown capo being one example). I've also been impressed that guys like you and HK who live far from the USA research so much about organized crime in this foreign place. Part of good historical thinking is keeping an open mind and staying more interested in the truth about what happened over being right. I think by both of us having open minds we've continued to learn. This has been a great forum for brainstorming and bouncing ideas off each other.
I completely agree, kudos to you bud and i hope we will continue to agree and completely bury these so-called few remaining "Outfit obstacles" and "ifs and buts" once and for all. Cheers
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Villain wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:24 pm
Antiliar wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:04 pm Lupara, I'm working on several books with different people. One is on the Outfit.

Villian, thanks for the kind words. Yes, things changed since those days on GBB. We've all done some growing since then. I've learned from you too (the Phil D'Andrea as Chinatown capo being one example). I've also been impressed that guys like you and HK who live far from the USA research so much about organized crime in this foreign place. Part of good historical thinking is keeping an open mind and staying more interested in the truth about what happened over being right. I think by both of us having open minds we've continued to learn. This has been a great forum for brainstorming and bouncing ideas off each other.
I completely agree, kudos to you bud and i hope we will continue to agree and completely bury these so-called few remaining "Outfit obstacles" and "ifs and buts" once and for all. Cheers
Even though I don't agree with Antiliar on a some things, I do think he truly is a seeker of the truth & DOES NOT suffer from "Sicilian Obsession". If I accused him of that in the past, I apologize. My only minor complaint is when he says he might have some evidence but will not share it because it will be in his book. It makes it difficult to debate with someone with that answer. lol
However, that being said, I would sincerely enjoy reading his book & I have learned some things from him & I do think he is a great moderator who tries to be fair. He has no ulterior motive. He is a lot like Soliai in that regard. :)
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Villain wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:38 am I agree what Confederate said.

Capone was already the boss of his own organization that controlled more than half of Chicago and later simply became a boss over another already established Sicilian organization or fraternity in that same city. He simply made his ten men and probably gave them some type of positions, but those same guys were already bosses of certain and much larger areas. Capone was already a leader and his organization was obviously multiethnic.

Capone already had much more soldiers than his opponents and once he became official Boss of the Mafia in Chicago, he was be able to choose his own type of administration and hierarchy. Capone's so called "decina" dominated Chicago for the next 50 years, and the alleged official captain status was obviously changed probably at the start.

The Torrio/Capone mob started as a simple multiethnic organization with a boss and few lieutenants and that was it. Until the late 70s there were no Sicilian type of ceremonies (this is completely backed by docs from the Giancana era) and it wasnt like Giancana nixed the whole thing, but instead during those days we have good inside FBI info that completely confirms the rumors from the previous decades. In 1945 Blasi was only told that he was "in" right?! We also cant see any needles or cards during the 1956 ceremony... And above all, they never had the traditional hierarchy, even when they began using needles and cards of saints decades later
The Capone organization was not like any Mafia Family in it's operation. It was not based on a tribute system where the money flowed upward. It was mostly based much more like a true Business Syndicate where the money flowed downward. Guzik had accounting ledgers & most men were on payrolls of sorts. None of this changed in 1928 when Capone was made by Masseria. The 10 men he made stayed in the same positions. They weren't all of sudden given different Titles. The year before was a record setting Gross of $105 Million for the entire Organization which was very centralized. Very little of the early Capone organization resembled anything "Sicilian". Colosimo, Torrio, Ricca, Capone, Nitto were Southern Italians.
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Confederate wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:01 am
Villain wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:38 am I agree what Confederate said.

Capone was already the boss of his own organization that controlled more than half of Chicago and later simply became a boss over another already established Sicilian organization or fraternity in that same city. He simply made his ten men and probably gave them some type of positions, but those same guys were already bosses of certain and much larger areas. Capone was already a leader and his organization was obviously multiethnic.

Capone already had much more soldiers than his opponents and once he became official Boss of the Mafia in Chicago, he was be able to choose his own type of administration and hierarchy. Capone's so called "decina" dominated Chicago for the next 50 years, and the alleged official captain status was obviously changed probably at the start.

The Torrio/Capone mob started as a simple multiethnic organization with a boss and few lieutenants and that was it. Until the late 70s there were no Sicilian type of ceremonies (this is completely backed by docs from the Giancana era) and it wasnt like Giancana nixed the whole thing, but instead during those days we have good inside FBI info that completely confirms the rumors from the previous decades. In 1945 Blasi was only told that he was "in" right?! We also cant see any needles or cards during the 1956 ceremony... And above all, they never had the traditional hierarchy, even when they began using needles and cards of saints decades later
The Capone organization was not like any Mafia Family in it's operation. It was not based on a tribute system where the money flowed upward. It was mostly based much more like a true Business Syndicate where the money flowed downward. Guzik had accounting ledgers & most men were on payrolls of sorts. None of this changed in 1928 when Capone was made by Masseria. The 10 men he made stayed in the same positions. They weren't all of sudden given different Titles. The year before was a record setting Gross of $105 Million for the entire Organization which was very centralized. Very little of the early Capone organization resembled anything "Sicilian". Colosimo, Torrio, Ricca, Capone, Nitto were Southern Italians.
Not much changed even when Capone became the boss, meaning his second in command was Ricca and Guzik was the connection and financial guy, and they made it simple for them to communicate on daily basis with not more then 4 street bosses who in turn spread the orders to the rest of the high level members. As you already said, the organization was created so everyone can make money and one proof for that was the semi-retired position which was created for high level members who were forced to take a step back out of various reasons but they were still able to receive large income. No Italian "consigliere"
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B. wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:34 pm Back to the original theme of this thread, it's not my place to get into the Camorra much here, but I used to look at families like Chicago and the Genovese and assume there was much more "Camorra influence" to their organizations given the backgrounds of certain influential members and the unique qualities those organizations have. It's buried somewhere in there, for sure. However, what I mistook as a mainland criminal influence I think is better described simply as "Americanization". Magaddino's own words meeting with Paul Ricca and Salvatore LoVerde in 1931, where he described them as heads of the respective "Americanized" and "Greaseball" factions of Chicago speak volumes.

Magaddino didn't say Ricca was head of the "Neapolitan" or "mainland" faction even though "Greaseball" was a euphemism for Sicilian and we have examples in other cities (Pittsburgh and Philadelphia) where things were broken down strictly along ethnic lines that way -- in Philadelphia you had the separate Calabresi faction and the Sicilian faction even into the 1970s, which Magaddino comments on in a different tape. Magaddino was not a Sicilian purist as he got along well with Calabrians in his own family and in Philadelphia, but he is quick to point out ethnic Italian differences in countless transcripts, so it isn't that he was oblivious to Ricca's background, yet he referred to him as head of the "Americanized" element.

As I mentioned earlier with the Genovese family, "Americanization" didn't necessarily mean nontraditional when it came to rules and protocol, as the Genovese kept up the traditional induction ceremony while the heavily Sicilian Bonanno family became loose with their "ceremony" very early and did so for decades, like Chicago. If we found out that the Genovese family had been the one to forego the traditional ceremony beginning with Luciano, I don't think any of us would have been that surprised. But no, it was under Joe Bonanno's watch in a family filled with men from Sicilian mafia backgrounds, that the induction protocol slipped drastically as early as Willie Dara's 1950 induction and that gives credence to Joe Bonanno's own account of his late 1920s induction, which was just a dinner where he was informed of his membership. Carmine Galante's 1970s inductions resumed this, with a verbal induction even taking place in a barroom with other patrons present.

Then we have the Gambinos under John Gotti, as American as it gets with Neapolitan heritage, forcing the heavily Sicilian DeCavalcante family to re-make over ten years worth of new members when he found out they didn't do the traditional ceremony. And that plays back into Chicago, too, where an organization that was already heavily Americanized by 1931 and had loosened up their induction process like the Bonannos decided to become more strict with their traditional ceremonies again in the 1980s, when their ties to the historic mafia were much less important even than 1931.

Based on these examples, I don't think we can say that it is "Americanization" or "non-Sicilian" values that cause organizations to get loose with certain rules and protocol, at least concerning inductions. I'm reminded of the Giuseppe Morello letters again, where as early as 1901-1904 Vito Cascio Ferro and Pasquale Enea were accused of not doing a proper background check on new members they had inducted.

Does this mean that the Americanized and non-Sicilian mafia members in the US took the rules more seriously than the members with Sicilian heritage? Of course not. What it looks like, though, is there is no common reason why certain groups did nor didn't follow traditional procedure consistently. Maybe it was laziness, the tight-knit nature of certain families, or convenience. In Chicago's case, them being the only show in town would have made it highly unlikely for a Gotti-DeCavalcante situation to play out, so there was no concern about maintaining appearances to other groups. Except at some point they did decide the full traditional ceremony was important seemingly for their own internal reasons -- and that's interesting.
This has been literally the only substantive reply here relevant to the original theme of this thread. Thanks. And what you address here speaks to the difficulties of parsing common origins vs. parallel or convergent evolution. I think it's reasonable to hypothesize that both were at play to some degree. My own framework is that the particular opportunities and challenges presented by the American context worked to select some strategies as more useful and others less. To be clear, history is not all "structural" in this way, and a lot of stochasticity or randomness enters into things due to the idiosyncrasies of individuals and their actions. But even so, these are still embedded within the set of incentives and disincentives at play. This is to say that while we can assume that the regional background of early Oufit architects like Ricca likely contributed some influence on the structures and practices of the organization, the process of Americanization was the dominant dynamic, and whatever else was at play happened within that context. The same process was at play in shaping the more Sicilian modeled families of course, and it's a misreading of history to simply assume that these were traditional Sicilian institutions transplanted whole cloth to the American context. In this sense all American CN families are Americanized, regardless of how closely they adhered to what have been taken as "traditional" Sicilian models both organizationally and operationally.

Sociologist Roberto Lombardo takes a similar approach in his analyses of the Outfit, characterizing the "foreign conspiracy model" of the American mafia as ahistorical, and positing instead that the Oufit is best understood as a fully American phenomenon shaped around broadly "Southern Italian organized principles".
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Someone like Richie Boiardo is a good example and he actually spent some of his early years in Chicago. His FBI file states he may have been a Camorrista and he ran his own independent "gang" in Newark for many years, long after his peers joined the mafia. Boiardo went to war with the mafia and refused to join them until parts of his "gang" were absorbed by the Genovese family throughout the 1930s. He wasn't made until the mid-1940s and was soon promoted to capodecina, but he was certainly the "boss" of his own lucrative group for many years before officially joining the mafia. He would be a capodecina until his 1980s death and his crew included mostly men who were connected to his earlier pre-mafia group, so even after he joined the mafia it didn't change much for him other than to give him greater political currency.

We don't know the specifics of Al Capone's alleged attempts to mediate in Boiardo's problems with the mafia-allied Zwillman, but Capone may have advised Boiardo to follow his lead in allying with mafia figures. Capone would join the Masseria family around this time. The Calabrian Willie Moretti had joined Masseria and apparently made a similar attempt at mediation, later absorbing some of Boiardo's men when he went to prison. All we know is Capone, a Masseria figure, attempted to mediate the issue with Boiardo and that Capone's cousin Thomas Tato's murder was believed to have been carried out by Boiardo afterward. Capone and Boiardo had much in common between their Neapolitan heritage, eventual membership with the Masseria/Genovese family, and their leadership roles over lucrative independent gangs before officially joining the mafia.

I don't think Richie Boiardo gave half a damn about the Sicilian roots of the Genovese family and he held out from joining them longer than virtually anybody else of equal significance in the Italian-American underworld. However, by the mid-1940s he obviously recognized that the political currency he had to use was mafia membership. Following his induction and promotion, Boiardo's FBI file suggests he remained a largely autonomous and independent force in the Genovese family until his death. Still, though, he was a capodecina in a family that had been previously under the Sicilian leadership of Giuseppe Masseria and Giuseppe Morello. The fact that the Genovese family was dominated by Neapolitans, Calabrians, and Americanized Italians doesn't change the fact that Boiardo was a captain in a family with Sicilian roots even if that meant very little to him beyond the political currency it gave him when dealing with other mafia figures.

The myth that "La Cosa Nostra" was created from the ashes of the Sicilian mafia in 1931 has been disproved by credible researchers, and this is supported by firsthand sources like Gentile, Bonanno, Riccobene, and many other member CIs who were members since the 1920s and earlier. Augie Maniaci described how the "mafia" in Milwaukee later came to call itself the "outfit", a casual term also adopted by Chicago, St. Louis, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Detroit, and other families around the country, though fundamentally it was the same organization with the same basic structure, rules, and protocol -- naturally each group had unique characteristics, with Chicago being by far one of the most unique. Like "Cosa Nostra", "mafia", "Honored Society", and "Black Hand", "outfit" was a casual term used to refer to a secret organization that did not have a true name but was kept intact by its relationships, rules, protocol, and structure... all of which evolved in some ways, too, but remained fairly consistent over large spans of time, as evidenced by Chicago doing traditional inductions in the 1980s.

Philadelphia and Pittsburgh had more Calabrian members than Sicilian, but they were a continuation of the same mafia that had been in those cities earlier on regardless of who made up the membership or how Americanized they became. Some organizations, like Chicago, were far more unique than others, but like Richie Boiardo, Al Capone understood the currency of mafia membership and used it to become a Masseria capodecina and then boss of the rapidly evolving Chicago family; a Chicago family that included Sicilian members who trace back to the previous leadership; a Chicago family that sat on the Commission and continued to follow time-honored mafia protocol with other mafia families. But, importantly, a Chicago family that didn't care about maintaining all of its traditions yet remained recognized by the Commission and the national mafia membership, a group with strict standards of recognition that remained consistent from the time the first Sicilian mafiosi arrived in the US.

I don't think Al Capone gave any more of a damn than Boiardo about the Sicilian roots of the organization he joined. I don't think Vito Genovese did, either. None of this changes the continuity nor does it discredit Chicago's powerful role in the history of the mafia. To me, it is a testament to the durability and flexibility of the mafia throughout its evolution.
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Re: Chicago and the Camorra

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PolackTony wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:45 am
This has been literally the only substantive reply here relevant to the original theme of this thread. Thanks. And what you address here speaks to the difficulties of parsing common origins vs. parallel or convergent evolution. I think it's reasonable to hypothesize that both were at play to some degree. My own framework is that the particular opportunities and challenges presented by the American context worked to select some strategies as more useful and others less. To be clear, history is not all "structural" in this way, and a lot of stochasticity or randomness enters into things due to the idiosyncrasies of individuals and their actions. But even so, these are still embedded within the set of incentives and disincentives at play. This is to say that while we can assume that the regional background of early Oufit architects like Ricca likely contributed some influence on the structures and practices of the organization, the process of Americanization was the dominant dynamic, and whatever else was at play happened within that context. The same process was at play in shaping the more Sicilian modeled families of course, and it's a misreading of history to simply assume that these were traditional Sicilian institutions transplanted whole cloth to the American context. In this sense all American CN families are Americanized, regardless of how closely they adhered to what have been taken as "traditional" Sicilian models both organizationally and operationally.

Sociologist Roberto Lombardo takes a similar approach in his analyses of the Outfit, characterizing the "foreign conspiracy model" of the American mafia as ahistorical, and positing instead that the Oufit is best understood as a fully American phenomenon shaped around broadly "Southern Italian organized principles".
Robert Lombardo did a lot of good research on the 42 Gang and his book on the Outfit is the first to detail the street crews, but he's wrong on the Alien Conspiracy Theory (ACT). It was developed by Marxist scholars Dwight C. Smith and Joseph L. Albini. The idea was that the idea of the Mafia was essentially a right-wing xenophobic conspiracy theory similar to the "Red Scare" and McCarthyism. This was despite the revelations of Joe Valachi and Nick Gentile ten years earlier. The fact is that the American Mafia started out as an "alien conspiracy" that gradually adapted to its surroundings. Al Capone grew up connected to the Five Points Gang in New York before joining Jim Colosimo and John Torrio in Chicago. Colosimo's group had an Italian core but worked with a lot of non-Italians, such as Ike Bloom. Under Torrio even more non-Italians joined and the Outfit became a big business organization (and a corrupting criminal empire). Torrio and Colosimo both maintained good relations with the Chicago Mafia bosses, although they were independent of each other. Capone, however, maintained a relationship with Frank Yale and Joe Masseria, which enabled him to become Torrio's top lieutenant and his successor (not to mention his leadership qualities).
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