Philly mob and money

[Mikeymike12]

They say “Philly Mob is making a little more than crumbs compared to the BIG money days of Bruno and Scarfo”.My question is do you think Stanfa made more money as boss for those approximately four years as Bosss( give or take ) as Ligambi did In his let’s say first 6-8 years. Do you think Ligambi saw a Significant difference in money his second half as boss? With him turning the family around , I’m sure envelopes got a little fatter. And getting it from all different directions.Plus a lot of guys got back on the street in his second half .What do you guys think?

[furiofromnaples]

Bruno and Scarfo controlled the casinos and the syndacates in Atlantic City plus in the 1980s the family was so strong to impose a street tax and with the K&A gang Philly becomed the meth capital of USA and Leonetti said that Scarfo had 3 milions hidden in a wall that was only his part from the street tax.
Ligambi rebuilted the family after a decade of war and made new blood but the family didn't control anymore the unions and had a little presence in drug traffick,after said that for sure the Philly was more active in the traditional LCN rackets but with 20-30 active members I doubt Ligambi made more than 2 or 3 milions during his street boss reign.

[slimshady_007]

The Servidio indictment shows that philly is still making money. Acting capo Dom Grande was still getting tribute. In my opinion, I think Philly is still making decent money but some of the Scarfo guys seem to have gone semi- legit. The golden days are over tho. Joker poker machines, loansharking, and extortion are philly’s bread and butter nowadays.

[JeremyTheJew]

What's the latest chart look like for admin and capos ??

Merlino
Ligambi - acting but more like a consig??
Lacelotti - suppose to be now a streerboss??
Ciancaglini is under I believe?? Lol also Mazone has been said to be somewhere up top...

Then u got borgesi (mostly associate crew tho??) Who has tied in Boston it...

The scarfo guys led by ..?? Idk if this is even a real crew/faction

Then there's South Jersey right?? That's scoops I believe.

Atlantic City crew??

South Philly crew would be done grande??

Okay fellas fill me in a little plz

[Pogo The Clown]

For some perspective here is what I posted on Philly earnings a while back.

Ralph Natale testified that he was making 3,000-3,500 a week as Boss. So 144,000-168,000 a year. Adjusted for inflation 231,000-270,000 in 2020. Though we must keep in mind that Natale had his own drug trafficking operation that brought in a lot of that and the family was also collecting a weekly street tax from 40-50 bookmakers that he got a piece of. Today the street tax is largely non-existent in Philly.


Looking at the Stanfa, Merlino and Ligambi indictments we see that Philly is not a big money family. GA has said on several occassionss that there is not a lot going on in terms of rackets today. I can't imagine their Boss in 2020 making more than real low 6 figures a year.

And for the record Bruno and Scarfo never controlled the casinos in AC.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

For some perspective here is what I posted on Philly earnings a while back.

Ralph Natale testified that he was making 3,000-3,500 a week as Boss. So 144,000-168,000 a year. Adjusted for inflation 231,000-270,000 in 2020. Though we must keep in mind that Natale had his own drug trafficking operation that brought in a lot of that and the family was also collecting a weekly street tax from 40-50 bookmakers that he got a piece of. Today the street tax is largely non-existent in Philly.


Looking at the Stanfa, Merlino and Ligambi indictments we see that Philly is not a big money family. GA has said on several occassionss that there is not a lot going on in terms of rackets today. I can't imagine their Boss in 2020 making more than real low 6 figures a year.

And for the record Bruno and Scarfo never controlled the casinos in AC.


Pogo

Yeah, according to both Freselone and Leonetti, the Philly family simply did some sub-contracting on the initial casino construction (most going to the NY families) and pilfered the funds of HEREU Local 54 (part of which went to the Genovese).

[chin_gigante]

What's the latest chart look like for admin and capos ??

Merlino
Ligambi - acting but more like a consig??
Lacelotti - suppose to be now a streerboss??
Ciancaglini is under I believe?? Lol also Mazone has been said to be somewhere up top...

Then u got borgesi (mostly associate crew tho??) Who has tied in Boston it...

The scarfo guys led by ..?? Idk if this is even a real crew/faction

Then there's South Jersey right?? That's scoops I believe.

Atlantic City crew??

South Philly crew would be done grande??

Okay fellas fill me in a little plz

In February, George Anastasia was on the Philly Prime Podcast and estimated that there were four or five captains and about a dozen active soldiers.

Breaking that down:

Joseph Merlino - still reputed boss; under house arrest in Boca Raton; will be released from federal custody next month

Michael Lancellotti - alleged street boss; it was recently reported that he was sick again though he has been seen recently around the social club on Ninth and Catharine; possibly also a captain

Dominic Grande - captain; possibly taken over Lancellotti's crew

Martin Angelina - captain

Joseph Licata - captain; on the same podcast, Anastasia said that Licata was still running the North Jersey crew

George Borgesi - possible captain; Scott Burnstein has him as the new acting boss; over the past couple of years a lot of talk has been that Borgesi is 'off the totem pole' and legit; recent Mob Talk articles have identified him quite explicitly as a current captain though

John Ciancaglini - possible captain; identified as a captain in 2014; identified as a 'street boss' running the family with Mazzone in 2015; allegedly shifted into a more 'relaxed' mode in recent years and less of a major player

Steven Mazzone - possible administration member; consigliere as of 2010; Merlino's street boss from 2011 to about 2015; sometimes referred to as the underboss; like Ciancaglini alleged to have taken a step back in recent years

Joseph Ligambi - possible consigliere; identified as consigliere in 2015; stepped back up as acting boss by 2016; allegedly retired last year; Anastasia speculated on Philly Prime that he could be consigliere

Joseph Ciancaglini - possible consigliere; Anastasia wrote in 2015 that Ciancaglini and Ligambi were serving as 'dual consiglieres'; in his mid-eighties so he could be retired

Francis Iannarella - possible hierarchy member; Anastasia noted his attendance at meetings of high ranking guys but questioned whether there was a need to have another captain; could just be hanging out now that his supervised release is over; Burnstein has him as consigliere

Phillip Narducci - most likely on his own; identified as a 'street boss' by Anastasia in 2015; identified as the leader of his own faction in 2016; his loan sharking case looked unrelated to the rest of the organisation and he was identified as just a 'member' of the family rather than as holding any real rank; most of the information about him in recent years (apart from his loan sharking case) has been about him wanting to do his own thing and run his restaurant legitimately; Burnstein has him as a captain

Joseph Pungitore - most likely on his own; tried to get Ligambi to kill Joseph Grande in 2010; identified as the leader of his own faction in 2016; Burnstein has him as a captain; all of the information I've been able to find on him since 2016 though has been about his seemingly legitimate house flipping business

[Wiseguy]

In February, George Anastasia was on the Philly Prime Podcast and estimated that there were four or five captains and about a dozen active soldiers.

Talk about too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

[chin_gigante]

When it comes to who the active soldiers could be I think these are the most likely:

Martin Curro
Eric Esposito
Louis Fazzini
Vincent Filipelli
Joseph Grande
Francis Iannarella
Gaeton Lucibello
Salvatore Mazzone
Nicholas Olivieri
[plus the 5 made in 2015]
Philip Ligambi (if he is made)
Albert Lancellotti (if he is made)

[JeremyTheJew]

The movie 10th and wolf is a decent movie that ig Joe pistone helped write....

It's like the stafa/Merlino war .... W a UC military guy... Yes UC military....

[Mikeymike12]

For some perspective here is what I posted on Philly earnings a while back.

Ralph Natale testified that he was making 3,000-3,500 a week as Boss. So 144,000-168,000 a year. Adjusted for inflation 231,000-270,000 in 2020. Though we must keep in mind that Natale had his own drug trafficking operation that brought in a lot of that and the family was also collecting a weekly street tax from 40-50 bookmakers that he got a piece of. Today the street tax is largely non-existent in Philly.


Looking at the Stanfa, Merlino and Ligambi indictments we see that Philly is not a big money family. GA has said on several occassionss that there is not a lot going on in terms of rackets today. I can't imagine their Boss in 2020 making more than real low 6 figures a year.

And for the record Bruno and Scarfo never controlled the casinos in AC.


Pogo

Any info on what Stanfa was pulling in as Boss?

Wonder what Ligambi was putting to the side for Merlino those 13 years.

[Mikeymike12]

yeah I don’t think they are making a small amount of money, just not the huge amounts that Bruno and Stanfa was getting. Stanfa Or Ligambi ( any of his years as boss) making more in a year ?

[JeremyTheJew]

So... Basically as a mid to low level soldier in Philly ur not making 75g a year...

Just seems so low for the amount of risk andaw scrutiny they get...
I know and understand that thrill of the life and all.... But damn.

[PHL_Mob]

I know guys that are taking unemployment and almost all if not everyone (If you count part-time / side gigs) have legitimate employment. Read into that as you well. Could be to supplement income plus showing the IRS legitimate income?

[furiofromnaples]

I know guys that are taking unemployment and almost all if not everyone (If you count part-time / side gigs) have legitimate employment. Read into that as you well. Could be to supplement income plus showing the IRS legitimate income?

Ligambi had a no-show job with Top Job Carpeting run by fellow Philadelphia crime family member, Mauro Goffredo.