John DiFronzo was a CI?

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Frank wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 9:06 am If Wemette is lying, why. And why DiFronzo. I would take it that Wemette is of the opinion that DiFronzo was a CI.I wonder who else Outfit related also thinks that. With Frank jr out in the open, doing tours, who knows, anything is possible
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Just wanted to add onto what Chris Christie was mentioning earlier about Joe Fosco. Fosco admitted in one of his podcasts that he exaggerated his claims about DiFronzo and some other outfit guys. In addition, he mentioned that after taking the selfie with John DiFronzo, that Pete DiFronzo saw him and shooed him away. My point is Joe Fosco comes across as a creepy shyster and even he doesn't believe a word he says 90% of the time.
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Antiliar wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 11:26 am The 1999 conversation between Frank Sr and Jr is a bit confusing. In one part Sr said that Johnny was "running the show,"
Could he have been talking about Johnny "Apes" Monteleone running the show because that's who was supposedly running the Outfit in 1999.
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Antiliar wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 11:26 am The 1999 conversation between Frank Sr and Jr is a bit confusing. In one part Sr said that Johnny was "running the show," and in another part he stepped down from Elmwood Park and Joey (Andriacchi) is running it. He also said, "Johnny is out of it, he wants no pinch. He don't want more time." So it seems at that time EP wasn't totally deactivated. Was DiFronzo in a Paul Ricca role while Monteleone, Tornabene, Marcello and Sarno played the Giancana role? If DiFronzo had insulated himself it's hard to say if lower level soldiers like the Calabreses would have known about it. Mike Magnafichi, for his part, wasn't sure if DiFronzo was the top guy up to his death, but he leaned in that direction.

In 2011 the Chicago Sun-Times reported that an informant said that Mike Sarno was kicking up money to John DiFronzo, which tells me, if true, that he wasn't totally out of the picture. Maybe he was one of the informants who helped get Sarno out of the way.

Of course this is all speculation and we'll probably never get confirmation during our lifetimes.
I interpreted Johnny "running the show" as Monteleone being boss of the Southside.
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Antiliar wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 1:23 pm This has been brought up before, but Red Wemette just recently posted that he has an FBI doc that notes DiFronzo is a CI. Don't have any more details than that.
Where did he post this? I am know of his youtube channel and he has not posted a video in two weeks.
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Its hard to tell if Frank is is referring to someone as an area boss or boss of the entire Outfit in parts of these tapes. Since Carlisi was jailed and his case went on for a few years, my opinion on the leadership has been that anyones theory or opinion could possibly be the right one, as long as it stays within the info thats out there. Maybe Nick saying that Monteleone replaced Carlisi indicates that DiFronzo wasnt official, but acting for Carlisi. Or DiFronzo replaced Accardo as the man and Monteleone replaced Carlisi. When DiFronzo took a further step out because of his grandson, Andriacchi was the acting The Man till DiFronzo came back.Lol thats my 2 new possibilities
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Confederate wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 3:20 pm
Antiliar wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 11:26 am The 1999 conversation between Frank Sr and Jr is a bit confusing. In one part Sr said that Johnny was "running the show,"
Could he have been talking about Johnny "Apes" Monteleone running the show because that's who was supposedly running the Outfit in 1999.
Yes, I forgot that as I was typing. It happens.
Tonyd621 wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 3:44 pm
Antiliar wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 1:23 pm This has been brought up before, but Red Wemette just recently posted that he has an FBI doc that notes DiFronzo is a CI. Don't have any more details than that.
Where did he post this? I am know of his youtube channel and he has not posted a video in two weeks.
He posted this in his Facebook group.
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Here's how he was able to see the file: Mitchell Mars showed the DiFronzo file to Red.
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Antiliar wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:37 am Here's how he was able to see the file: Mitchell Mars showed the DiFronzo file to Red.
The guy is dead right?
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Villain wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:52 am
Antiliar wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:37 am Here's how he was able to see the file: Mitchell Mars showed the DiFronzo file to Red.
The guy is dead right?
Mitchell Mars was a criminal Prosecutor who died at the end of the Family Secrets Trial so it must have been around late 2007 or 2008.
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Confederate wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:57 am
Villain wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:52 am
Antiliar wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:37 am Here's how he was able to see the file: Mitchell Mars showed the DiFronzo file to Red.
The guy is dead right?
Mitchell Mars was a criminal Prosecutor who died at the end of the Family Secrets Trial so it must have been around late 2007 or 2008.
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Villain wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 1:09 am
Confederate wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:57 am
Villain wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:52 am
Antiliar wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:37 am Here's how he was able to see the file: Mitchell Mars showed the DiFronzo file to Red.
The guy is dead right?
Mitchell Mars was a criminal Prosecutor who died at the end of the Family Secrets Trial so it must have been around late 2007 or 2008.
Thanks
The $10 Million Dollar question is: Why would Mars show DiFronzo's File to Red? Also, Mars would have had to trust Red not to tell anyone while DiFronzo was still alive. Now that Red has mentioned it, IMO it makes Pete DiFronzo kind of look bad. If all of this is true, You have to assume he Pete DiFronzo would have known all about it. He was his brother's shadow. Again, this is all still speculation.
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Confederate wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 1:26 am
Villain wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 1:09 am
Confederate wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:57 am
Villain wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:52 am
Antiliar wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 12:37 am Here's how he was able to see the file: Mitchell Mars showed the DiFronzo file to Red.
The guy is dead right?
Mitchell Mars was a criminal Prosecutor who died at the end of the Family Secrets Trial so it must have been around late 2007 or 2008.
Thanks
The $10 Million Dollar question is: Why would Mars show DiFronzo's File to Red? Also, Mars would have had to trust Red not to tell anyone while DiFronzo was still alive. Now that Red has mentioned it, IMO it makes Pete DiFronzo kind of look bad. If all of this is true, You have to assume he Pete DiFronzo would have known all about it. He was his brother's shadow. Again, this is all still speculation.
That would be a big gamble by Mars, since the Outfit was definitely still wacking people then. So Mars showed him the file and gave him a history lesson on Accardo.
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How close of a relationship did Red have with Lombardo in 2002.
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Tonyd621 wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 3:44 pm
Antiliar wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 1:23 pm This has been brought up before, but Red Wemette just recently posted that he has an FBI doc that notes DiFronzo is a CI. Don't have any more details than that.
Where did he post this? I am know of his youtube channel and he has not posted a video in two weeks.
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