Boss Earnings

[Fughedaboutit]

IMO I agree Pete , Depending on the family and bosses some of these guys are still today making mind blowing numbers ! Vincent Esposito for example was busted in a 20 plus million dollar Townhouse with what ? 5 Mil. In Cash ? That's probably a drop in the bucket ! That guy is loaded beyond belief and IMO is probably worth a quarter of a Billion or even more in illegitimate and legitimate business and enterprises and investments . Now imagine and picture what Barney is worth ! He's involved in numerous industries of all kinds and all over the U.S. among other places .Now I have no clue what he's worth and either does any of us but he can probably buy small nations and 3rd world countries and build them up and profit immensely ! Just my opinion

It was a 12 million dollar townhouse that I believe he inherited and 3.8 million in Genovese family funds, not his own personal cash. Again you are dreaming if you think any of they guys are even sniffing 250 million.


Pogo

He is a multi millionaire. What is the difference between 20 million and 100 million to you? smh, weird post. You almost sound jealous.

[Pogo The Clown]

Piss off you drug addict piece of shit.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

Also the chin bought that house at some ridiculous number can’t recall exactly but maybe 600k. And Vincent doesn’t own that house it’s in the moms name

Try $16,000. Morris Levy bought it years before and it was given to Chin's mistress as a "gift."

[Lupara]

Your dreaming if you think any LCN boss today is earning 200-300 million a year. Even 30 million a year is fantasy.


Pogo

Even 3 million is a fantasy

Now we are going to the other extreme. If a boss of still the most powerful mafia family in the country isn't making at least a few million annually, he could as well throw in the towel and disband the organization.

[Philly d]

Not sure where you are getting millions from. His own testimony says he was only getting 500 bucks to 2 grand a month from his top Capos. When he flipped he only had something like 10 million in cash and assets and that was after being boss for 13 years, UnderBoss for the 8 years before that and a top Capo for the 5 years before that. So it's clear he was not pulling in millions a year.


Pogo

So when was in the can?

[Philly d]

That is not accurate. It has been documented that Vincent Gigante did not take tribute from every Capo in his family. As an example Arilotta just talked about how the Springfield Crew did not send tribute to NY. We also have other informant terimony that for years the Montreal Crew did pay any tribute either. So that is at least two families were we have confirmation that not every Captain was required to pay tribute.
If we want to outside NY we have the example of Harry Riccobene not being required to pay tribute to Angelo Bruno except for a Christmas tribute.

I was waiting for someone to raise the Genovese example . I’m highly suspicious of this claim, would like to know the source and suspect there is misinterpretation involved. That there may have been the odd Capo whom, for whatever reason, did not pay monthly or regular tribute I can understand, but that I would suggest would be an exception, and an uncommon one which I think has been overblown.

Look at this logically, what is the primary function of a mafia family? To quote Tony Soprano “This is a business” and the structure of a family is such that it’s a pyramid. It would be as nonsensical for Capo’s not to kick up as standard practice as soldiers not kicking up. It’s antithetical to the principle and structure of the model itself.

Of course there are exceptions but the mafia is a business, these are greedy fucks, the structure of the model contradicts this as common practice, Massino is a liar (refer his Sonny Black was making a move for boss garbage) and Massino has huge motivation (he understates his income, the less can be seized in forfeiture) to lie.

So, I think Massino = Bull. Shit.

Chin not taking money off many of his captains after a certain point is true. He didn't need it.

But, while I haven't had time to watch the interview yet, I'm skeptical of Arilotta's claim they didn't send money to New York. One reason Bruno was killed, aside from fears he was informing, was because he wasn't sending enough money to the NY leadership. And according to Arilotta's own sentecing memorandum, a big reason for his rise in the crew was because he was known as an earner. Also according to the memorandum, Nigro told Arilotta to increase the shakedowns of local businesses, the money from which was shared with Nigro.

Furthermore, besides Bruno, Arilotta and the Geas brothers also shot and wounded a Mason Tenders Union official, on Nigro's orders, after he dispensed union jobs without first consulting Nigro. Are we supposed to believe these guys were allowed to run around Springfield under the Genovese name, do hits for a one-time acting boss of the family, but not send any tribute?

Don't think so.

Even 3 million is a fantasy

Wouldn't necessarily go that far.

Depends on the boss. Gigante was known for only taking tribute from certain guys and wasn’t greedy where he took a ton

IMO I agree Pete , Depending on the family and bosses some of these guys are still today making mind blowing numbers ! Vincent Esposito for example was busted in a 20 plus million dollar Townhouse with what ? 5 Mil. In Cash ? That's probably a drop in the bucket ! That guy is loaded beyond belief and IMO is probably worth a quarter of a Billion or even more in illegitimate and legitimate business and enterprises and investments . Now imagine and picture what Barney is worth ! He's involved in numerous industries of all kinds and all over the U.S. among other places .Now I have no clue what he's worth and either does any of us but he can probably buy small nations and 3rd world countries and build them up and profit immensely ! Just my opinion

Your numbers are waaaay off guy. No way Barney is worth a quarter of billion dollars. Not sure how you jump from $5m in cash to $250million dollars.

[JCB1977]

What do you fellas think the top bosses are pulling in these days? Estimate on the Gambino and Genovese Crime family total earnings in 2019?

[Pogo The Clown]

Now we are going to the other extreme. If a boss of still the most powerful mafia family in the country isn't making at least a few million annually, he could as well throw in the towel and disband the organization.

What do you fellas think the top bosses are pulling in these days?

So let’s do the math for Massino’s earnings. As an example let’s take the year 2000 when the Feds said the Bonannos were the #2 family in NY (and therefore in the country).

Weekly vig from Vitale and Massino’s loanshark book – up to $9000 = 432,000 (split with Vitale and likely others)

His sports book 10,000-12,000 from a week (so some weeks it was less) = 480,000-576,000 max (split with Vitale and likely others)

8,000 a month in video poker = 96,000

4,000 a year from that electrician (split with Anthony Mannone) = 2,000
150,000-160,000 Christmas tribute

Capo monthly tributes:
Coppa = 2,000-6,500 = 24,000-78,000 a year
Cantarella = 1,200-1,500 = 14,000-18,000 a year
Urso = 500-600 = 6,000-7,200 a year
DeFilippo = 2,000 = 24,000 a year

Yearly total = 1,228,000-1,393,200

Adjusted for inflation in 2000 dollars = 1,841,000-2,088,000 today. Though of course it will be a lot less since we know that sports betting and loansharking money was being split with Vitale and possibly others involved.

We don’t know what some of his other Capos were giving him but we know he didn’t take tribute from all of them. Considering what his top Capos were giving him it couldn’t have mounted too much to make that big a difference in the total.

Considering how much stronger LCN was 20 years ago I'd seriously doubt any Boss today is pulling in 3 million a year. Even 2 million a year is a big stretch.


Pogo

[Peppermint]

In another thread, discussing illegal gambling in Ohio. Brooklyn21 mentioned gambling in Pennsylvania.

I mentioned that prior to the pandemic the legal gambling industry was booming, and to keep it short I mentioned that every month I would go there new hotel/casinos were propping up left and right.

My question that pertains to all this is: does anyone think any of these crews and their bosses be bringing in enough money to invest in and run casinos like the Outfit did back in the day in Las Vegas?

I doubt it, a lot of casinos are corporate owned and probably out of the price-range of the modern mob. Plus, acquiring the proper licenses to operate a casino would be nearly impossible for anyone with a criminal record and/or organized crime connections.

Not entirely true, Pennsylvania’s gambling industry is practically a brand new industry. Prior to the pandemic, I was going there once or twice a mont with my wife to visit various members of our families. Every time we go through, we see new hotels / casinos being propped up everywhere. Both newly developed, and under development. Some of these are corporate owned such as the Hard Rock Cafe chains, or likely owned by some native tribes, but there are a lot of them that are completely independently owned.

I personally don’t see any reason why the mob couldn’t get involved into this budding industry. Couldn’t they theoretically have a well trusted associate, apply for the gaming license, and run the casino for them? Exactly how the Outfit had Frank Rosenthal run various casinos for them in Vegas back in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s? Not to add, seems like according to this thread, even small time crews are bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars, no reason why they could not pool that money, launder it, and invest it into the Pennslyvania gambling industry

[SonnyBlackstein]

So let’s do the math for Massino’s earnings. As an example let’s take the year 2000 when the Feds said the Bonannos were the #2 family in NY (and therefore in the country).

Dude, the B's NEVER overtook the Bino's in men or rackets. Its likely even at its peak the Bino's were close to 40-50% larger than the B's.
And in terms of sophistication? The B's historically are more similar to the columbo's than the other three in terms of general 'racketeering' (ie less unions, more book n loan) so in revenue terms the B's vs the G's would be a world of diff.
Just sayin.

Capo monthly tributes:
Coppa = 2,000-6,500 = 24,000-78,000 a year
Cantarella = 1,200-1,500 = 14,000-18,000 a year
Urso = 500-600 = 6,000-7,200 a year
DeFilippo = 2,000 = 24,000 a year

Considering how much stronger LCN was 20 years ago I'd seriously doubt any Boss today is pulling in 3 million a year. Even 2 million a year is a big stretch.

Two questions
1) Do we really believe only 4 of Massino's Capo's kicked up? Whats our evidence? OH! He SAID that. Ok.
2) The Bino's have averaged close to double the Capo's the B's have (ballpark). Are we going to say almost no Gambino Captains kick up too?

Its actually not a stretch at all to see the Westside or Bino Admin pulling in that sort of money today.

[TallGuy19]

In another thread, discussing illegal gambling in Ohio. Brooklyn21 mentioned gambling in Pennsylvania.

I mentioned that prior to the pandemic the legal gambling industry was booming, and to keep it short I mentioned that every month I would go there new hotel/casinos were propping up left and right.

My question that pertains to all this is: does anyone think any of these crews and their bosses be bringing in enough money to invest in and run casinos like the Outfit did back in the day in Las Vegas?

I doubt it, a lot of casinos are corporate owned and probably out of the price-range of the modern mob. Plus, acquiring the proper licenses to operate a casino would be nearly impossible for anyone with a criminal record and/or organized crime connections.

Not entirely true, Pennsylvania’s gambling industry is practically a brand new industry. Prior to the pandemic, I was going there once or twice a mont with my wife to visit various members of our families. Every time we go through, we see new hotels / casinos being propped up everywhere. Both newly developed, and under development. Some of these are corporate owned such as the Hard Rock Cafe chains, or likely owned by some native tribes, but there are a lot of them that are completely independently owned.

I personally don’t see any reason why the mob couldn’t get involved into this budding industry. Couldn’t they theoretically have a well trusted associate, apply for the gaming license, and run the casino for them? Exactly how the Outfit had Frank Rosenthal run various casinos for them in Vegas back in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s? Not to add, seems like according to this thread, even small time crews are bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars, no reason why they could not pool that money, launder it, and invest it into the Pennslyvania gambling industry

If the gaming control board dropped the ball and failed to realize that the individual running the casino was connected to organized crime, then I guess they could. I would imagine they are wise to all the methods that the mob has used to infiltrate the industry and would vet applicants very carefully though.

[Peppermint]

In another thread, discussing illegal gambling in Ohio. Brooklyn21 mentioned gambling in Pennsylvania.

I mentioned that prior to the pandemic the legal gambling industry was booming, and to keep it short I mentioned that every month I would go there new hotel/casinos were propping up left and right.

My question that pertains to all this is: does anyone think any of these crews and their bosses be bringing in enough money to invest in and run casinos like the Outfit did back in the day in Las Vegas?

I doubt it, a lot of casinos are corporate owned and probably out of the price-range of the modern mob. Plus, acquiring the proper licenses to operate a casino would be nearly impossible for anyone with a criminal record and/or organized crime connections.

Not entirely true, Pennsylvania’s gambling industry is practically a brand new industry. Prior to the pandemic, I was going there once or twice a mont with my wife to visit various members of our families. Every time we go through, we see new hotels / casinos being propped up everywhere. Both newly developed, and under development. Some of these are corporate owned such as the Hard Rock Cafe chains, or likely owned by some native tribes, but there are a lot of them that are completely independently owned.

I personally don’t see any reason why the mob couldn’t get involved into this budding industry. Couldn’t they theoretically have a well trusted associate, apply for the gaming license, and run the casino for them? Exactly how the Outfit had Frank Rosenthal run various casinos for them in Vegas back in the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s? Not to add, seems like according to this thread, even small time crews are bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars, no reason why they could not pool that money, launder it, and invest it into the Pennslyvania gambling industry

If the gaming control board dropped the ball and failed to realize that the individual running the casino was connected to organized crime, then I guess they could. I would imagine they are wise to all the methods that the mob has used to infiltrate the industry and would vet applicants very carefully though.

I am sure the gaming boards are especially vigorous in screening applicants, no doubt about it. I definitely see no way that an associate of a major family or crew, could successfully be installed as a plant to run a casino “legally” for them. But one of these smaller families being mentioned in this thread, that are bringing in a few hundred grand every other month could pull it off. Significantly less is known about their power structure, their hierarchy, or how in-depth their operations goes.

All they would need, is a trusted friend of a trusted friend who prior to this proposal, had no significant prior engagements with the Mafia other than having this friend who just so happens to merely been a well trusted associate themselves. Maybe a local bookie they have a relationship with, that has a clean record but doesn’t mind getting their hands dirty a little bit from time to time. I am sure there are a bunch of these guys dying to run a casino, and stop doing small time bets at a bar some where during sports games, or the tracks. I’m simplifying it but you get where I’m going with this, obviously it would be more complicated than how I am paraphrasing the way they’d go about it. But with how new gambling is in Pennsylvania, and how the industry has been rapidly expanding (prior to COVID19) it would be significantly easier for them to infiltrate the industry there, than say again in Las Vegas, Atlantic City, or Cuba.

It would just cost more money than it would anything else, there is more financial risk at this current stage. That is, until the industry becomes further and fully incorporated there, so far it has not though from what I have seen.

[CabriniGreen]

how much was paul castellano worth?

Nobody knows so why even ask such a question? All it does is give some people a chance to make hugely gross unverified exaggerations for all the reason previously stated. You might as well ask how many times did Castellano have sex with his wife per month. Same kind of question.

Actually, how much were the Concrete Club gangsters pulling in? In average, in you guys opinions?

The garbage guys in thier prime were multi- millions, right?

This is an interesting topic, what did you guys think of the Campos construction rackets? To me, it seemed like they ruined some high level connections for a couple of silly homes. It's not like they still had a total lock on the unions, so fucking up those type of connections doesnt seem smart.

In absence of the unions, what's really bringing it in? The big money?

[CabriniGreen]

They’re pure opportunists.

But not when it comes to collecting your kick it seems

It's a double edged sword...... plenty of times grabbing with both hands can be bad for you...

It got Profaci a rebellion, created the opening for Commision members to plot on him. Maybe, if we believe Sammy, got Castellano killed, had Casso ordering a whole crew wacked, what if Chin just lets a capo handle Savino?

Also, I thought Cicale said the Montreal people PAID tribute??

[Charlie]

From DiLeonardo Q&A with Soliai


What percentage of his earnings did he have to 'kick up' and give money to his superiors, was it 10%, 15%, Monthly, Weekly, and what was the most you ever kicked up at one time?

-When I got the unions and constructions, the deal was anything union or concrete we took a third and turned in two thirds, if we created a job, we kept 50%, except scara mix, Jr. took the full amount. When I had my company I gave him 11k a month in checks aside from the street stuff. The stock money, I gave two of my guys 25% each, the borgata got 25%, and I kept the other 25%. It is nonsense that the rumor was I was stealing from the family. I was the only guy turning in stock money.