Paul Castellano and Nenè Geraci meeting

[felice]

yes because main guys in the murder of bontate were the pullarà brothers who were originally from san giuseppe jato and they were even close to bernardo brusca

[CabriniGreen]

Eeh, 160 members I guess...

@felice

Assuming both these things occurred, the meeting with Geraci probably came first, right? Then Inzerillo goes to Sicily to garner support, and maybe they sent word back like, " Drug ban? You are dreaming"....

I mean, they were coming over to move the stuff, guys like Cefalu all the rest.... or no?

the sicilians made in the gambino family shouldn't have moved heroin (at the end they were doing it), the sicilian outside the families could do whatever they want.

This is precisely the type of statement I need a clarification for.....

If this was true, how do we explain say, Riccardo Cefalu? Under Pat Conte, a made Gambino and he himself was made...( one of the 10? not sure..) moving tons of junk? Conte didnt know? Is that believable?

And the directive he got from Sicily to not talk, seems like they had a vested interest in his operations. And I dont think this was at the end... I gotta re-read the Capeci article....

In your opinion what was the role of the sicilians coming over, if not to beef up Castellanos ranks, or primarily to handle the wholesale end of the heroin business?

A Sicilian coming over isnt gonna know the layy of the land like an American, and the same would be true vice versa, right? What did the Americans get out of it, exactly?

[CabriniGreen]

Conte coming to Naimo? what do you mean?

Nobody was reporting to Naimo, nobody. Naimo was just controlling the Inzerillo's had to stay in ny and not fly back to Italy. Pasquale Conte's boss was Paul Castellano and Ferruggia's boss was Rastelli.

Did Naimo have his own crew then? What did you mean exactly when you wrote Castellano took payments from him?

[CabriniGreen]

What about that Francesco Palmieri guy? One of the ten possibly? Or no?

[felice]

What about that Francesco Palmieri guy? One of the ten possibly? Or no?

no, he was young

[felice]

Conte coming to Naimo? what do you mean?

Nobody was reporting to Naimo, nobody. Naimo was just controlling the Inzerillo's had to stay in ny and not fly back to Italy. Pasquale Conte's boss was Paul Castellano and Ferruggia's boss was Rastelli.

Did Naimo have his own crew then? What did you mean exactly when you wrote Castellano took payments from him?

he was probably paying a kind of tribute to castellano, that's all

[TommyGambino]

What about that Francesco Palmieri guy? One of the ten possibly? Or no?

What became of him, didn't hear how long he got for that extortion case, wonder if he is made

[CabriniGreen]

Conte coming to Naimo? what do you mean?

Nobody was reporting to Naimo, nobody. Naimo was just controlling the Inzerillo's had to stay in ny and not fly back to Italy. Pasquale Conte's boss was Paul Castellano and Ferruggia's boss was Rastelli.

Did Naimo have his own crew then? What did you mean exactly when you wrote Castellano took payments from him?

he was probably paying a kind of tribute to castellano, that's all

This link here.....

https://books.google.com/books?id=ay26S ... ia&f=false


If Naimo had no crew, nor was controlling the Inzerillos, then who was this Filiberto?

[CabriniGreen]

Also, from what rackets was Naimo paying Castellano a tribute?

Did you happen to have a date from the Geraci meeting? Was this from the Iron Tower papers too?

[CabriniGreen]

Sicilians came over for a number of reasons, some of them known and others unknown. The 1950s citrus wars in Palermo,

The Greco war? I'm pretty sure that was the 40s, Joe Profaci helped to mediate a truce.....


other conflicts in the 1960s, and intense LE scrutiny pushed many Sicilians to the US.

Mainly Michele Cavataio plotting to pit bosses against each other, also, I think after Luciano died the LaBarberas had to prove they could stand alone, it's something I read somewhere......

All these guys came over like, between 63 and 67 it seems.....


When Nino Inzerillo went over to investigate Salvatores death, the Corleonesi initially thought he was representing the Gambino Family, as an officially sanctioned emmisary. I'm guessing because he was supposed to be with the Gambinos, and not sticking his nose in Palermo politics. But these Inzerillos hardcore Sicilian mafia, first, in my opinion.

I mean, John Gambino got convicted for heroin trafficking in PALERMO, I cant recall a mobster from NY who got convicted of a crime in Palermo, nor can I think of a Palermo boss convicted if a crime in NY....

[CabriniGreen]

Sicilians came over for a number of reasons, some of them known and others unknown. The 1950s citrus wars in Palermo,

The Greco war? I'm pretty sure that was the 40s, Joe Profaci helped to mediate a truce.....


other conflicts in the 1960s, and intense LE scrutiny pushed many Sicilians to the US.

Mainly Michele Cavataio plotting to pit bosses against each other, also, I think after Luciano died the LaBarberas had to prove they could stand alone, it's something I read somewhere......

All these guys came over like, between 63 and 67 it seems.....


When Nino Inzerillo went over to investigate Salvatores death, the Corleonesi initially thought he was representing the Gambino Family, as an officially sanctioned emmisary. I'm guessing because he was supposed to be with the Gambinos, and not sticking his nose in Palermo politics. But these Inzerillos hardcore Sicilian mafia, first, in my opinion.

I mean, John Gambino got convicted for heroin trafficking in PALERMO, I cant recall a mobster from NY who got convicted of a crime in Palermo, nor can I think of a Palermo boss convicted if a crime in NY....

a Citrus war in the 40s, and a Produce war in the 50s I guess......

[B.]

I was referring to the fruit and vegetable market conflict(s) that resulted in the 1956 murder of Antonio Cottone, former Profaci member who became a leader of the Villabate cosca. I'm not sure if the conflict stretched into the 1960s, but it greatly impacted the Villabate group at the time. Salvatore Profaci's daughter coudn't even visit Villabate as a tourist on her Sicilian honeymoon.

[B.]

Bonanno "zips" who were made members by the late 1970s but whose exact induction ceremonies haven't been accounted for. Some of these guys are strong candidates for the alleged ten spots Felice mentioned:

- Salvatore Catalano
Two of his cousins living in the US were members of the Ciminna family and Catalano traveled to Sicily where he met with mafiosi. The Sixth Family cites info from Salvatore Vitale where he says Catalano was originally made in Italy.

- Giuseppe 'Pino' D'Aguanno
Said to have been brought over from Sicily during the 1960s Bonanno conflict and stayed. Not sure the earliest he is ID'd as a recognized member of the Bonannos or what his actual involvement was with the Sicilian mafia.

- Santo Giordano
Allegedly had relatives connected to the Sicilian mafia in Castellammare as well as within the Bonanno family "zip" element.

- Giovanni Ligammari
Had relatives in the Sicilian mafia, including Alessandria della Rocca boss Emanuele Seidita. A Domenico Ligammari was also a recent figure there.

- Francesco Navarra
Similar story to his relative Giordano.

- Gerlando Sciascia
Like Catalano, the Sixth Family claims Sciascia was first made in Sicily.

- Giuseppe Turano
Distant Galante relative from Castellammare and part of the Bonanno "zip" element.


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Other possibilities:

- FNU Bonventre
Participated in the three captains murders with many other "zips". Might be Gaspare "Nino" Bonventre, uncle of Santo Giordano and a relative of the Fiordilinos. Possibly the same Gaspare Bonventre who has been ID'd as a Sicilian mafia figure who traveled between the US and Castellammare.

- Leonardo Coppola
Membership not confirmed but definitely a candidate given his close relationship to Carmine Galante and other "zips".

- Giuseppe Ganci
Member of the San Giueppe Iato family, but seemed to more or less report to Catalano and may have participated in the Napolitano murder. Could have transferred at some point, unless that can be ruled out.

- Other Montreal figures
If Sciascia is a candidate, some of the Sicilians living in Montreal could be, too, unless the ten spots were limited to NYC. We know from the Violi tapes their rules allowed Sicilians to transfer to the Bonanno Montreal decina around this period following probation.

Not including Montreal, that is ten names and I can't think of any other candidates.

[motorfab]

- Other Montreal figures
If Sciascia is a candidate, some of the Sicilians living in Montreal could be, too, unless the ten spots were limited to NYC. We know from the Violi tapes their rules allowed Sicilians to transfer to the Bonanno Montreal decina around this period following probation.

According to these tapes and therefore according to Violi, the Montreal crew consisted of 20 guys belonging to the Bonanno Crime Family (It seems half of them were old or inactive) and 20 Zips. After a meeting between Violi and Carmelo Salemi (Cuffaro & Sciarra were also present) in 1974, Violi decided that from now on it would be necessary to wait 5 years before a Zip could be fully accepted in Montreal. I guess this decision must have annoyed some Zips who were just waiting for an error from Violi to take definitive control of Montreal

[Super]

All very intresting players in your list b most of them in the book last of the sicilians all earners from what i can gather not to much out there on some of these names any other info would be appreciated