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[TommyGambino]

Zef Mustafa was a powerful guy in the Locascio crew, don't think he's active anymore though

[Philly d]

Joe Scarborough is a Genovese associate who runs his own crew of associates. There isn't much information available on him, but if you search hard enough there are a few articles that mention him.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/2006/03/07 ... 141709861/

Pic mentioned him a few times back in the day.

[Peppermint]

What about that Jew bastard who Robert Dinero portrays in Casino, I forget the character’s real life identity but you know the golden Jew. The same Jew that ran all those Casinos for the Chicago outfit in Vegas? You never fuck with the golden Jew.

[TallGuy19]

What about that Jew bastard who Robert Dinero portrays in Casino, I forget the character’s real life identity but you know the golden Jew. The same Jew that ran all those Casinos for the Chicago outfit in Vegas? You never fuck with the golden Jew.

Lefty Rosenthal—he ran the casinos, but he was part of Tony Spilotro's crew if I remember correctly.

[CabriniGreen]

Zef Mustafa was a powerful guy in the Locascio crew, don't think he's active anymore though

After seeing that latest indictment , I've become convinced he was the mastermind of those scams...

[Peppermint]

What about that Jew bastard who Robert Dinero portrays in Casino, I forget the character’s real life identity but you know the golden Jew. The same Jew that ran all those Casinos for the Chicago outfit in Vegas? You never fuck with the golden Jew.

Lefty Rosenthal—he ran the casinos, but he was part of Tony Spilotro's crew if I remember correctly.

Yeah, Frank Rosenthal. But if the movie is at all accurate, then I am pretty sure Tony Spilotro, who as we all know is portrayed by Pesci was sent to Vegas to look after Rosenthal on behalf of the Outfit. I think he tried taking Rosenthal from out under the Outfit’s nose when he went rogue and tried establishing himself in Vegas, but Rosenthal was still loyal to the bosses despite the tensions he caused by hosting his own talk show at the Casino after his gaming license was rejected by the Gaming Committee. I think this is exactly why Spilotro was whacked, that and for having an affair with Rosenthal’s wife. But to be clear, I’m basing all this off the movie, so I could be entirely wrong since I have no idea exactly how accurate the movie is compared to the real life accounts. I’m sure someone here will clear up any inaccuracies

[TommyGambino]

Zef Mustafa was a powerful guy in the Locascio crew, don't think he's active anymore though

After seeing that latest indictment , I've become convinced he was the mastermind of those scams...

I'm sure someone said he's in Florida.

[bert]

Zef Mustafa was a powerful guy in the Locascio crew, don't think he's active anymore though

After seeing that latest indictment , I've become convinced he was the mastermind of those scams...

I'm sure someone said he's in Florida.

It seems he was powerful in Locascio's crew and with the associates Locascio had, but I don't think him and his brother were involved as much with the rest of the Gambinos very much.

[Lupara]

And the fact that only DeSimone faced consequences for the Batts murder shows how valuable Burke was. He got away with killing a made guy. And it would seem he was able to spare Henry Hill too. Or was this around the time Hill flipped anyway?

Apparantly Batts wasn't a made guy. I asked this on the forum some time ago as I questioned it myself. If he was made DeSimone would've been killed much sooner and Burke along with him.

[Grouchy Sinatra]

He had to have been made. It was in the movie!

In all seriousness thank you. I honestly never knew he wasn't made and I think even in the book Henry Hill says he was made. Interesting.

[Lefty_Ruggiero]

And the fact that only DeSimone faced consequences for the Batts murder shows how valuable Burke was. He got away with killing a made guy. And it would seem he was able to spare Henry Hill too. Or was this around the time Hill flipped anyway?

Apparantly Batts wasn't a made guy. I asked this on the forum some time ago as I questioned it myself. If he was made DeSimone would've been killed much sooner and Burke along with him.

Lufthansa happened December 1978. DeSimone was murdered in January 1979. Hill flipped in 1980. I remember reading Tommy was a pain in the ass. Paul Vario hated him. He did not even want to be in the same bar as him. He did not want him around. On the other hand, Vario supported Burke and liked him.

It would not surprise me if Vario knew Burke was involved in the Batts murder, but liked him and only told certain people that Tommy killed him. That's also first I heard of Batts not being made.

Even if he was not made, he was with Gambinos. It can also be said DeSimone killed Ronald Jerothe as well. Jerothe being a Gotti pal. Supposedly Vario leaked to Gambinos that hit as well.

[queensnyer]

And the fact that only DeSimone faced consequences for the Batts murder shows how valuable Burke was. He got away with killing a made guy. And it would seem he was able to spare Henry Hill too. Or was this around the time Hill flipped anyway?

Apparantly Batts wasn't a made guy. I asked this on the forum some time ago as I questioned it myself. If he was made DeSimone would've been killed much sooner and Burke along with him.

Lufthansa happened December 1978. DeSimone was murdered in January 1979. Hill flipped in 1980. I remember reading Tommy was a pain in the ass. Paul Vario hated him. He did not even want to be in the same bar as him. He did not want him around. On the other hand, Vario supported Burke and liked him.

It would not surprise me if Vario knew Burke was involved in the Batts murder, but liked him and only told certain people that Tommy killed him. That's also first I heard of Batts not being made.

Even if he was not made, he was with Gambinos. It can also be said DeSimone killed Ronald Jerothe as well. Jerothe being a Gotti pal. Supposedly Vario leaked to Gambinos that hit as well.

yep that's why I said him and Gotti were on a collision course. Jerothe was real close to Gotti and the Bergin crew. don't know to much about Batts.

[Lefty_Ruggiero]

And the fact that only DeSimone faced consequences for the Batts murder shows how valuable Burke was. He got away with killing a made guy. And it would seem he was able to spare Henry Hill too. Or was this around the time Hill flipped anyway?

Apparantly Batts wasn't a made guy. I asked this on the forum some time ago as I questioned it myself. If he was made DeSimone would've been killed much sooner and Burke along with him.

Lufthansa happened December 1978. DeSimone was murdered in January 1979. Hill flipped in 1980. I remember reading Tommy was a pain in the ass. Paul Vario hated him. He did not even want to be in the same bar as him. He did not want him around. On the other hand, Vario supported Burke and liked him.

It would not surprise me if Vario knew Burke was involved in the Batts murder, but liked him and only told certain people that Tommy killed him. That's also first I heard of Batts not being made.

Even if he was not made, he was with Gambinos. It can also be said DeSimone killed Ronald Jerothe as well. Jerothe being a Gotti pal. Supposedly Vario leaked to Gambinos that hit as well.

yep that's why I said him and Gotti were on a collision course. Jerothe was real close to Gotti and the Bergin crew. don't know to much about Batts.

Right, we know more about Jerothe than Batts. While not trying to go too much off topic for the thread, I just did a little research on him using my powers lol.

I think Batt's biography is wrong from the little we do know about the guy. Wikipedia has him born in 1921 as William Bentvena, I think that is inaccurate. I plugged him into ancestry, looks like he was born February 22, 1933 in NYC. Another thing was he was busted for heroin in February 1959. I attached the news article if anyone cares of that bust. According to that article, he was 25 when he was busted. I doubt he was a made guy so young.

Aside from that, that is about all I know about the guy.

[Lupara]

And the fact that only DeSimone faced consequences for the Batts murder shows how valuable Burke was. He got away with killing a made guy. And it would seem he was able to spare Henry Hill too. Or was this around the time Hill flipped anyway?

Apparantly Batts wasn't a made guy. I asked this on the forum some time ago as I questioned it myself. If he was made DeSimone would've been killed much sooner and Burke along with him.

Lufthansa happened December 1978. DeSimone was murdered in January 1979. Hill flipped in 1980. I remember reading Tommy was a pain in the ass. Paul Vario hated him. He did not even want to be in the same bar as him. He did not want him around. On the other hand, Vario supported Burke and liked him.

It would not surprise me if Vario knew Burke was involved in the Batts murder, but liked him and only told certain people that Tommy killed him. That's also first I heard of Batts not being made.

Even if he was not made, he was with Gambinos. It can also be said DeSimone killed Ronald Jerothe as well. Jerothe being a Gotti pal. Supposedly Vario leaked to Gambinos that hit as well.

I don't have any firsthand knowledge on him being made or not. I asked this on the forum some time ago and was told he wasn't made. I question it myself too. If Batts was part of the Gotti crew he could not have been made. I also very much doubt that DeSimone could get away with killing a made member for so many years. The Gambinos would've done an investigation and find out sooner rather than later. Vario's own life would be in danger if he did hide it from them. All in all it makes much more sense that Batts was an associate, and by the time Gotti was in a position of power he decided to avenge him.

[TommyGambino]

Have any informants from the gambinos spoke on that billy batts,