You're right about that. The NY family with the involvement in drugs in the case was the Bonannos. However, the point remains. Rather than me trying to downplay the Violi's role - I never said they weren't drug guys - I've been cautioning you and others against assuming his role was bigger than it was in the overall operation. But even if we were to assume this was almost entirely their operation, it still doesn't warrant many of the conclusions some here have arrived at regarding them; much less the Buffalo family as a whole. All we can do is look at the available cases. I don't feel as comfortable in making assumptions about what they've been doing or not doing over the past 20 years. There's not enough data to arrive at the conclusions many here have been. And you can't divorce them from the overall Buffalo issue because that's what this is ultimately about.CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:40 am
Okay, first of all, I would say one NY family were Involved in the 2017 bust, Bonnanos, The drug part? Semplice was a Gambino , busted with Ragusa, an enforcer.. that was loansharking primarily...
Are you saying the Gambinos were the brokers(?), cause they didnt have anything to do with the Violis. That was a separate investigation that shared Morena as an informant.
Just tell me this, how did Semplice connect to the Violis? Are you trying to say the Gambinos were the drug link? Because the Carfana indictment would seem to contradict this....
That's you using the Gambino portion of the indictment to downplay the Violis role... even as you will always argue the 5 families are marginalized in the trade, it's really confusing.....
And they taped Guiseppe Violi saying he introduced crack to Hamilton, this was in the 90s....
The Gambinos in Otremens was Semplice. Ragusa? Zummo and his cousin, Russo on conspiracy. These were the Bonnanos, along with Morena...
I'm not sure how many more ways I can explain this, especially to one who claims to understand the drug trade so well. The LCN has been marginalized in the drug trade in the sense that other groups have a greater presence in it today and move far more amounts. A group could have a direct link to the top guy in the Gulf clan guy in Colombia for cocaine. But if they're moving much less cocaine than the group next door, they're marginalized compared to them.CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:51 am When you say, " Nobody said NY cant organize a load..."
Then what is all the marginalized talk? Like HOW are they marginalized? Money to buy? The mafia isnt that broke. It would be the connections, right? American mobsters dodnt just up and go to Colombia, right? But they go to Costta Rica for their gambling ops, everyone vacations in Mexico.....
I was pretty astounded when the Sicilian mafia reached out to Cali, and he had a load going to Sicily in no time at all....
Just let me get this straight, if not trafficking in a lot of drugs, what e exactly do YOU think the Violis have been doing all this time? You got me genuinely intrigued ...
Why are they sought out first by Montagna, then Zummo, why do they carry such clout? What's their underworld specialty if not narcotics?
I dont even know why I'm engaging, I really believe you just enjoy trolling, lol
But seriously, forget about the Buffalo part, because they just got made 5 years ago. What do you think they were doing for the other 20 years if not trafficking?
The mob's relative control of heroin ended in the mid-1980's. They were never in a position to control cocaine or marijuana. If you look at the cases, the NY families do remain significant traffickers in their own right. And they tend to show quite a bit of diversity in the drugs they traffic. But relative to the Latin groups primarily, they have been marginalized. The Mafia in NY is still a significant player in the drug trade but isn't the main player. Read the latest DEA National Drug Threat Assessment. I posted the link the other week.