Help with 1963 Chicago chart

[Antiliar]

This is a list of names of Outfit connected people who were active in 1963; some were made guys but most were not. If anyone has thoughts about what crews they were connected with it would be helpful. Sometimes figuring this out can be confusing. The Fischetti brothers lived in the North Side, but weren't connected with anyone in the North Side crew. The Manno brothers ran policy in the south suburbs, which is generally Chicago Heights territory, but weren't connected with the Chicago Heights crew. My guess is that the Fischettis were direct to the administration and the Mannos were direct to Sam Giancana, but maybe I'm wrong and someone has better info. The different crews back then were North Side (under Ross Prio), Elmwood Park (Jackie Cerone), Chicago Heights (Frank La Porte), Melrose Park/Chicago suburbs (Sam Battaglia), Taylor Street/Cicero (Fiore Buccieri), Melrose Park/Cicero (Joseph AIuppa), and 26th Street/Chinatown (Frank "Skid" Caruso), plus Sam Giancana had his own personal crew. There was also the Connection Crew of non-Italians (Murray Humphreys), but not all non-Italians were part of the crew. Frank Schweihs appeared to work with both Battaglia and Buccieri, so did Frank Rosenthal.

Anthony “Tony Orlando” Pitello
Joe Fusco
Sam DeStefano
Mario DeStefano
Vito DeStefano
Charles “Charles Delmonico” Tourine, Jr.
Angelo Volpe
Dominic Volpe
Sam Ariola
Ned Bakes
John Manzella
Rocco Paternoster
Louis Rosanova
Joseph Siciliano
Frank T. “Calico Kid” Teutonico
Nick Visco
Frank “One Ear” Fratto
Frank “Sharkey” Eulo
Rocco Fischetti
Joseph Fischetti
Frank Manno
Jeff Manno
Nick Manno
Pasquale “Pat” Manno
Sam Manno
Thomas Manno
Rocco De Stefano
Nick Visco
Santo Virruso
Sam Virrusso
Joseph Testa
Joseph B. Rocco
Sam Macaluso
Joseph Grieco
Frank La Galbo
Frank “Butch” Loverde
Salvatore “Sam Lewis” Luzi
George Dicks
Vito DiZonno
Casper “Johnny Carr” Ciapetta
Anthony “Julian” Cirignani
Louis De Riggi
Anthony “Puleo” De Rose
Tony Amatore
Frank Aurelli
Joseph Laino
Hank Guardino

[Snakes]

Antilliar, have you looked at my Chicago chart here?: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=797

It may help you out a bit.

Skids Caruso and Chinatown were under Ferarro and the Loop, at least in 1963.

I think Frank Schweihs was with Phil Alderisio, who ran his own crew. I don't believe Phil was under Battaglia (although I used to), rather, he had his own crew of guys which operated on the upper West Side and the North Side. He was subordinate to the crew bosses but didn't have to answer to any of them, at least not in any documents I have seen. Rosenthal was definitely under Buccieri.

[Snakes]

There appeared to be a gray area between Chicago Heights and the Near South Side which didn't fall under any specific territory. This is where guys like the Mannos and Jimmy Catuara held influence. Ralph Pierce was the boss of the area for Humphreys and Alex but I don't believe the Mannos or Catuara were subordinate to him. I believe that once Pierce died in '76, the Chinatown crew expanded and took over these rackets and became the South Side crew. Aiuppa may have set up LaPietra to run that crew over Skids during this period or they may have reported to Turk - I am not sure. However, neither LaPietra or Skids were present in the Last Supper photo (taken in 1978) so it could be inferred that Torello was the boss of the South Side in addition to the near West Side and certain parts of Cicero. Another theory is that Torello ran this entire area with Ferriola and LaPietra (or Skids) running the Cicero/West Side and South Side respectively as sub-crews under Turk. Nick Calabrese's testimony regarding the murder of Paul Haggerty in 1976 has both Turk and LaPietra interrogating Haggerty which would make sense if this theory were true. Following Turk's death in 1979, they were split off and treated as two separate crews.

Sorry if that was a rambling post lol.

[Antiliar]

I appreciate your help but have to respectfully disagree with some of what you wrote. From the FBI files I have on Skids Caruso, Turk Torello and the LaPietras, plus many old newspaper articles in addition to Calabrese's testimony, I know that the Chinatown crew went all the way back to the 1920s. It even says in Caruso's file that he headed 26th Street and succeeded Bruno Roti. Can't be any clearer than that. On Alderisio, one thing that stands out is when Hump and Ferraro were having a conversation about Battaglia needing to discipline Alderisio and Caifano who got into a fight. The recorded conversation makes it clear that Battaglia was their superior. It also confirms it in Alderisio's and Giancana's files. For Chicago Heights, beside the files that I have, I also depend on Matt Luzi's book on Da Heights. You're right about Pierce, he reported to Humphreys and Alex. Also agree that there was overlap on the South Side, but there was overlap elsewhere too, in the North Side, Melrose Park, Grand Avenue and Cicero. There were agreed upon territories, but with permission and kicking up others could operate in them.

[Angelo Santino]

I appreciate your help but have to respectfully disagree with some of what you wrote. From the FBI files I have on Skids Caruso, Turk Torello and the LaPietras, plus many old newspaper articles in addition to Calabrese's testimony, I know that the Chinatown crew went all the way back to the 1920s. It even says in Caruso's file that he headed 26th Street and succeeded Bruno Roti. Can't be any clearer than that. On Alderisio, one thing that stands out is when Hump and Ferraro were having a conversation about Battaglia needing to discipline Alderisio and Caifano who got into a fight. The recorded conversation makes it clear that Battaglia was their superior. It also confirms it in Alderisio's and Giancana's files. For Chicago Heights, beside the files that I have, I also depend on Matt Luzi's book on Da Heights. You're right about Pierce, he reported to Humphreys and Alex. Also agree that there was overlap on the South Side, but there was overlap elsewhere too, in the North Side, Melrose Park, Grand Avenue and Cicero. There were agreed upon territories, but with permission and kicking up others could operate in them.

I got your PM. Great spread...

I need to go through what photos we have and don't have. (I have the Valachi Chart and FBN book so that should take care of a major portion) but if we are missing a bulk of people, if they aren't important, maybe just leave them off? I'll try and acquire as many as I can from that era.

Thanks!

[Snakes]

Maybe we agree on more than you think, Rick. No doubt, Skids was head of the 26th Street/Chinatown crew up until the time LaPietra succeeded him, probably around '79 or so. But I have seen evidence that Skids reported to Frank Ferarro over in the Loop but still ran his own crew. He may have run it independently for a time after Ferarro's death but by 1979 he had handed it over to LaPietra, who then took over the larger part of the South Side, as well. I just think that if Skids were one of the higher ranking crew bosses, he would have been present at the "Last Supper" with all of the other major bosses.

What time period was the dispute between Alderisio and Caifano? Was it after Ferarro's death? Battaglia was probably the number 2 guy on the streets at that time period and resolving disputes between two higher-ranking guys like Alderisio and Caifano may have been part of his greater share of responsibility.

Sorry, I just don't have access to the files you do, so I just go with what I can find on Mary Ferrell and elsewhere.

[Snakes]

Just an example of Alderisio's position: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 5&tab=page

Alderisio was also said to have taken over the Loop after Ferarro died: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... _battaglia

These and several others are what I used to base my opinion on Alderisio's position, but I am always open to further my knowledge through others.

[Angelo Santino]

You guys cool with this for the admin layout?

(I know technically Giancana was "outranked" by Accardo and Ricca, but for these 63 style charts, I think Giancana top, front and center fits, with the two latter acting as pivots. )

Also, each guy has a Letter- W, N, S etc next to his name. I can change that to specific crews: T for Taylor, E for Elmwood, so on.


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[Antiliar]

Snakes: On Caruso reporting to Ferraro, that's correct because Ferraro was the Outfit underboss. Ferraro was between Giancana and the various caporegimes in rank and authority. When Ferraro died Giancana didn't replace him, so it was a vacant position. Accardo pushed for Cerone, but that's when Giancana said, "I'll be my own underboss." When Giancana went to prison and then to Mexico, that's when Battaglia moved up and Alderisio took over the crew. That first document from 1968 took place during this period. Actually, I think Cerone moved up then and Battaglia went to prison. The second document from November 1964 indicates that Battaglia was given additional responsibilities after Ferraro died in August 1964. Alderisio probably took on the underboss role for his crew. In other words, he moved up to the number 2 position in the crew.

Chris: I like the look, but the way you have DeLucia and Accardo below Giancana it makes it appear that Giancana was in authority over them, which he wasn't. Maybe both DeLucia and Accardo could be on the upper left on an equal or higher level to Giancana, and Giancana could be directly over Ferraro, and Ferraro would be directly over the crew bosses. If you want you could also call DeLucia and Accardo "boss emeritus" or "retired boss;" I think there were other 1963 charts that used the word "emeritus."

For the Genovese Family the Justice Dept. tried to place the soldiers under their captains. If that's doable for this chart I think that would be better.

[Angelo Santino]

Snakes: On Caruso reporting to Ferraro, that's correct because Ferraro was the Outfit underboss. Ferraro was between Giancana and the various caporegimes in rank and authority. When Ferraro died Giancana didn't replace him, so it was a vacant position. Accardo pushed for Cerone, but that's when Giancana said, "I'll be my own underboss." When Giancana went to prison and then to Mexico, that's when Battaglia moved up and Alderisio took over the crew. That first document from 1968 took place during this period. Actually, I think Cerone moved up then and Battaglia went to prison. The second document from November 1964 indicates that Battaglia was given additional responsibilities after Ferraro died in August 1964. Alderisio probably took on the underboss role for his crew. In other words, he moved up to the number 2 position in the crew.

Chris: I like the look, but the way you have DeLucia and Accardo below Giancana it makes it appear that Giancana was in authority over them, which he wasn't. Maybe both DeLucia and Accardo could be on the upper left on an equal or higher level to Giancana, and Giancana could be directly over Ferraro, and Ferraro would be directly over the crew bosses. If you want you could also call DeLucia and Accardo "boss emeritus" or "retired boss;" I think there were other 1963 charts that used the word "emeritus."

For the Genovese Family the Justice Dept. tried to place the soldiers under their captains. If that's doable for this chart I think that would be better.

How's this?


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With the admin, it's senseless to put a Successor To: section when it's using the same people twice on the chart. just my opinion.

Which brings me to what's next. There's 2 or 3 sets of guys not in the "official crews" but answerable to the admin. Makes sense to put them next (not on the sides with the same crews, putting them on each side of the chart, horizontal to the boss will not look good. I think maybe listing locations for the out of state people would be a good idea. And then underneath them list the crews. I want to really emphasize the crews and break them down. It won't be a top heavy chart with focus all on the admin. That's been done already in various ways. There's alot of names I don't have photos of. So perhaps we can ask people here for an assist and give them credit. I'd like to get FBI numbers and rackets for guys that aren't listed on Valachi/FBN but I'll cross that bridge when I'm there. I whipped out the 63 Philly chart, this one I want to take time on. And if more info comes out I'll update it.

Naturally it's a "Black Hand Presents" by "Richard Warner" Contributions made by "...,..., Chris Chistie."

[Angelo Santino]

My angle aside, it's great to watch two Chicago experts debate facts with sources and links. Snakes I'm making this on behalf of Antiliar, he'll have the final say. I was lucky to get this out of him because he wants to keep much of his Chicago stuff private for now. Something we all can respect. But if you want to collaborate on anything, I'd be down for an 80's Chicago or whatever you want to do. I got a deal going with JD and like I said with him, any pictures you want kept "unusable" there are ways to keep them small but relevant to the chart. And if you even don't want me having just send me the size you feel comfortable (and if you don't know I'll walk you through it).

You see what I'm doing with Philly. It's great to have such deep Philly buffs who know their shit: Chucky, B., Pogo, and a few others. With Chicago it's the same thing, there's some great posters, yourself, Rick, Pete, Villian. Honest, legitimate and legitimate posters (unlike some I can name). I'm down to make whatever.

[Angelo Santino]

Wouldn't Jimmy Fratianno have been a member as well by this era?

Also, any photos anywhere of

Charles “Chuck” Giancana (Charles Kane)
Ben “Foggie” Fillicchio
Joseph Giancana
Sam “Slicker Sam” Rosa
Romeo Nappi
James J. Adduci
Nicholas “Nicky Dean” Circella

[Snakes]

Anthony “Tony Orlando” Pitello
Joe Fusco - (Direct?, not sure if he was "under" anyone or if he just generally ran some beer and liquor rackets for the Outfit as a whole)
Sam DeStefano - Direct (DeStefano crew)
Mario DeStefano - Direct (DeStefano crew)
Vito DeStefano
Charles “Charles Delmonico” Tourine, Jr. (Cerone)
Angelo Volpe (Buccieri, but he may be in the same position as the Mannos)
Dominic Volpe
Sam Ariola (Battaglia?)
Ned Bakes
John Manzella (Somewhere on the west side, just not sure where, although he ended up under Cicero eventually)
Rocco Paternoster
Louis Rosanova (Cerone)
Joseph Siciliano
Frank T. “Calico Kid” Teutonico
Nick Visco (Aiuppa, definitely)
Frank “One Ear” Fratto (Prio)
Frank “Sharkey” Eulo (Giancana)
Rocco Fischetti (Possibly Cicero for this time period, I think he ran a craps or dice game there around '63)
Joseph Fischetti
Frank Manno
Jeff Manno
Nick Manno
Pasquale “Pat” Manno
Sam Manno
Thomas Manno (Mannos were all South Side but not sure if they were under LaPorte or not)
Rocco De Stefano (Direct)
Nick Visco
Santo Virruso (Florida)
Sam Virrusso (Florida)
Joseph Testa (Alderisio)
Joseph B. Rocco (Battaglia)
Sam Macaluso (LaPorte)
Joseph Grieco (Not sure, he was definitely North Side at one point)
Frank La Galbe
Frank “Butch” Loverde (Prio)
Salvatore “Sam Lewis” Luzi
George Dicks (LaPorte)
Vito DiZonno (LaPorte)
Casper “Johnny Carr” Ciapetta (Aiuppa?)
Anthony “Julian” Cirignani (Prio, definitely)
Louis De Riggi (Buccieri, definitely)
Anthony “Puleo” De Rose (Buccieri, definitely)
Tony Amatore (Battaglia)
Frank Aurelli (Cerone)
Joseph Laino (1st Ward)
Hank Guardino Iowa

[electricslim]

Just a couple of thoughts:

I've been going through tons FBI memorandums about Gus Alex. It seems like based on those memorandums, his stature is somewhat under estimated.

Again, all this stuff was observation of various agents, whom we know didn't always get it right however they all seem consistent in the opinion that Gus Alex was a the top guy in the Loop and Near South Side. He was also in charge of the South Side Policy racket, so probably would have ultimately directed the Mannos Bros. Also, Ralph Pierce, Les Kruse and Louis Briatta (didn't see this name on the list) all reported directly to Alex.

[Antiliar]

Again Snakes, thanks for the input. I'll make the adjustments, but do you have links to Mary Ferrell where documents show these connections? The Mannos, I think, were under Giancana. I haven't seen them linked to any Chicago Hts people. Same with the Fischettis. They lived in the North Side and Florida, sometimes operated in Cicero (where two crews operated, Aiuppa and Buccieri), but don't see them linked to either Buccieri or Aiuppa. For the Virruso/Virrussos, I know they moved to Florida but had to report or kick up to someone, so had to be under someone, especially before they moved there.