Feds say ailing mobster Peter Gotti isn’t sick enough for early release

[maxiestern11]

Let’s face it men, we each have our own opinion on it and nobody here is going to convince the other to change their mind.
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So I suggest we just agree to disagree!
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It’s all good! ..... and I do respect each varied opinion even if I think differently about it!
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[bert]

The mafia has touched and hurt so many lives and cost billions of legitimate dollars, it would probably be impossible to get a full picture on the scope of the damage. Just spend a day reading Jonathan Kwitney's classic book from the 80's about how the mafia causes unnatural and inflated prices. It's organized crime for crying out loud, it doesn't take Maxie's student graduating whatever school he is in to see that. It's also true that members and associates get treated in a manner that is unfair because of dozens and dozens of unproven crimes of themselves and their associates. That's not how our system is supposed to work. Both points are true but if you think the mafia only touches "criminals", you are so clearly wrong.

Jonathan Kwitney's books also say that the Reagan administration, the CIA, and Capitalist cooperations are corrupt and fuel the drug industry. He wrote a book saying the CIA and the government were behind drug dealing, he writes all fake ass conspiracy crap. If anyone reads all his books and believes them they wind up like Anthony Comello, tattooed hands and all.

FYI Jonathan Kwitny died of stomach cancer on 11/26/1998. RIP Kwit.

RIP from me too, he's dead 21 years now. I hate to see anyone die of cancer, so for that he has my sympathy. What I said about his books I still feel, but I would not hate him for what he wrote or what I disagree with him on.

[Pogo The Clown]

The Construction industry and sanitation were places they made a lot of money, but to believe thety made "Billions" or 'Hundreds of millions" doesn't stand up to scrutiny when you look at the money in those industries.

It easily adds up to the billions. Add up all the labor racketeering and related rackets the nationwide LCN has been involved with for over 100 years easily adds up to several billion dollars and that is not even factoring in inflation.


Pogo

You are way off, especially going back. No way it even reaches a billion, let alone multiple billions. They made a lot, but like in everything else, figures are exaggerated greatly.

From its early days to the present, all the families, all the rackets, and the mob hasn't even reached $1 billion?

Do just sit and think up ways to somehow kill your already non-existent credibility even more?

Yep to put it in perspective just look at these monthly figures you posted for 6 years of the Vegas skim just between these families.


For the period of 1960-1965 - figures released by FBI to the media for the Vegas skim were:

- Genovese: $50,000/month
- Chicago: $65,000/month
- Cleveland: $52,000/month
- Lansky and partners : $80,000/month


Let's subtract Lansky and partners (even though they were LCN associates). That is 167 grand a month. Over 2 million a year. So 12 million for the 6 years. Adjusted for inflation that is about 84 million right there for only handful of families in a specific period of one instance of union related rackets. Add every union related racket that every family nationwide has been involved for the 100 years they have been involved with it and billions is being very conservative. It is easily in the tens of billions.


Pogo

[bingo]

The mafia has touched and hurt so many lives and cost billions of legitimate dollars, it would probably be impossible to get a full picture on the scope of the damage. Just spend a day reading Jonathan Kwitney's classic book from the 80's about how the mafia causes unnatural and inflated prices. It's organized crime for crying out loud, it doesn't take Maxie's student graduating whatever school he is in to see that. It's also true that members and associates get treated in a manner that is unfair because of dozens and dozens of unproven crimes of themselves and their associates. That's not how our system is supposed to work. Both points are true but if you think the mafia only touches "criminals", you are so clearly wrong.

Jonathan Kwitney's books also say that the Reagan administration, the CIA, and Capitalist cooperations are corrupt and fuel the drug industry. He wrote a book saying the CIA and the government were behind drug dealing, he writes all fake ass conspiracy crap. If anyone reads all his books and believes them they wind up like Anthony Comello, tattooed hands and all.

FYI Jonathan Kwitny died of stomach cancer on 11/26/1998. RIP Kwit.

RIP from me too, he's dead 21 years now. I hate to see anyone die of cancer, so for that he has my sympathy. What I said about his books I still feel, but I would not hate him for what he wrote or what I disagree with him on.

It okay bert. I didn't know him and really don't care to be honest. I just put that out there about his death to remind everyone that we don't have to worry about ever being bothered again with any more books. God rest him and may he be at peace all the same.

[bert]

The Construction industry and sanitation were places they made a lot of money, but to believe thety made "Billions" or 'Hundreds of millions" doesn't stand up to scrutiny when you look at the money in those industries.

It easily adds up to the billions. Add up all the labor racketeering and related rackets the nationwide LCN has been involved with for over 100 years easily adds up to several billion dollars and that is not even factoring in inflation.


Pogo

You are way off, especially going back. No way it even reaches a billion, let alone multiple billions. They made a lot, but like in everything else, figures are exaggerated greatly.

From its early days to the present, all the families, all the rackets, and the mob hasn't even reached $1 billion?

Do just sit and think up ways to somehow kill your already non-existent credibility even more?

Yep to put it in perspective just look at these monthly figures you posted for 6 years of the Vegas skim just between these families.


For the period of 1960-1965 - figures released by FBI to the media for the Vegas skim were:

- Genovese: $50,000/month
- Chicago: $65,000/month
- Cleveland: $52,000/month
- Lansky and partners : $80,000/month


Let's subtract Lansky and partners (even though they were LCN associates). That is 167 grand a month. Over 2 million a year. So 12 million for the 6 years. Adjusted for inflation that is about 84 million right there for only handful of families in a specific period of one instance of union related rackets. Add every union related racket that every family nationwide has been involved for the 100 years they have been involved with it and billions is being very conservative. It is easily in the tens of billions.


Pogo

They can put out any figure they want, they do it all the time, with every group. And the Vegas skim figures might be correct, Vegas was big enough, I don't know if Vegas was that big in the 60's inflation wise. They inflate drug bust figures, gambling figures, and many other things. The government has stats saying illegal immigration actually cuts crime down, with stats to back it up. You believe that too?

[Pogo The Clown]

Fine lets play that game and say the real figure was only half of what they claimed. That still adds up to hundreds of millions of dollars from the Vegas skim alone. Add in every Union related racket that every family in the country (almost all 20+ of them) was involved with for the 100 years they have been involved and it is easily in the billions.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

They can put out any figure they want, they do it all the time, with every group. And the Vegas skim figures might be correct, Vegas was big enough, I don't know if Vegas was that big in the 60's inflation wise. They inflate drug bust figures, gambling figures, and many other things. The government has stats saying illegal immigration actually cuts crime down, with stats to back it up. You believe that too?

Ah, the standard bert (Dan) response. Any evidence that goes against your claims, you automatically ignore.

You make claims about this or that group surpassing the Mafia in New York. Then, ironically enough, an article comes out a short time later quoting prosecutors saying no group has surpassed it in New York. But they're lying?

Law enforcement documented $2.2 billion in wagers over a 15 month period in the 2007 Lucchese Operation Heat bust. At 5% net, that's over $100 million.

In 2009, there was another Lucchese gambling bust with $400 million in wagers. 5% of that is $20 million.

One family, two busts over a few years, and that's 12% of the way to $1 billion.

[Bklyn21]

The Construction industry and sanitation were places they made a lot of money, but to believe thety made "Billions" or 'Hundreds of millions" doesn't stand up to scrutiny when you look at the money in those industries.

It easily adds up to the billions. Add up all the labor racketeering and related rackets the nationwide LCN has been involved with for over 100 years easily adds up to several billion dollars and that is not even factoring in inflation.


Pogo

You are way off, especially going back. No way it even reaches a billion, let alone multiple billions. They made a lot, but like in everything else, figures are exaggerated greatly.

From its early days to the present, all the families, all the rackets, and the mob hasn't even reached $1 billion?

Do just sit and think up ways to somehow kill your already non-existent credibility even more?

Yep to put it in perspective just look at these monthly figures you posted for 6 years of the Vegas skim just between these families.


For the period of 1960-1965 - figures released by FBI to the media for the Vegas skim were:

- Genovese: $50,000/month
- Chicago: $65,000/month
- Cleveland: $52,000/month
- Lansky and partners : $80,000/month


Let's subtract Lansky and partners (even though they were LCN associates). That is 167 grand a month. Over 2 million a year. So 12 million for the 6 years. Adjusted for inflation that is about 84 million right there for only handful of families in a specific period of one instance of union related rackets. Add every union related racket that every family nationwide has been involved for the 100 years they have been involved with it and billions is being very conservative. It is easily in the tens of billions.


Pogo

I don't know what they're talking about but the Gas tax scam alone brought in billions . Colombo gangster John Stalluppi is worth over 400 million . Richie Martino and Locascio made about a billion on the Phone company and related scams . The Pizza connection was worth what ? Almost 3 billion ? God, The mob , Especially when it was a national syndicate and a formal commission of bosses from 26 families over the last 100 years has easily brought in 100 billion or more

[Bklyn21]

They'll let the sanitation worker out when he has 5 or less days to live lol...

[Pogo The Clown]

I don't know what they're talking about but the Gas tax scam alone brought in billions . Colombo gangster John Stalluppi is worth over 400 million . Richie Martino and Locascio made about a billion on the Phone company and related scams . The Pizza connection was worth what ? Almost 3 billion ? God, The mob , Especially when it was a national syndicate and a formal commission of bosses from 26 families over the last 100 years has easily brought in 100 billion or more

Yeah I was just talking about Union related rackets. If we in add in all the rackets in the 150 year history of LCN in this country then it's easily hundreds of billions. Maybe even over a trillion when adjusted for inflation.


Pogo

[Bklyn21]

I don't know what they're talking about but the Gas tax scam alone brought in billions . Colombo gangster John Stalluppi is worth over 400 million . Richie Martino and Locascio made about a billion on the Phone company and related scams . The Pizza connection was worth what ? Almost 3 billion ? God, The mob , Especially when it was a national syndicate and a formal commission of bosses from 26 families over the last 100 years has easily brought in 100 billion or more

Yeah I was just talking about Union related rackets. If we in add in all the rackets in the 150 year history of LCN in this country then it's easily hundreds of billions. Maybe even over a trillion.


Pogo

I'm with you on this ! Your right, Now that I think about it , Its gotta be closer to ,or more than a Trillion . Labor unions alone numbered in the thousands no matter how big or small all over the country , Add in Gambling of every kind, Stock market, Loansharking, Investments from Every size union pension fund, Drugs, Prohibition, Burglary rackets,Wayerfront, Hi jacking, Car theft/Chop shops, Waterfeont, Fish market,Airport, Insurance frauds, Medical fraud and healthcare fraud,Sanitation, Recycling, Construction/Concrete and then add in all the Legitimate business and semi legit and real estate holdings, Casinos, Boxing, Music industry, Hollywood . Holy christ, Its easily over a trillion

[bert]

I don't know what they're talking about but the Gas tax scam alone brought in billions . Colombo gangster John Stalluppi is worth over 400 million . Richie Martino and Locascio made about a billion on the Phone company and related scams . The Pizza connection was worth what ? Almost 3 billion ? God, The mob , Especially when it was a national syndicate and a formal commission of bosses from 26 families over the last 100 years has easily brought in 100 billion or more

Yeah I was just talking about Union related rackets. If we in add in all the rackets in the 150 year history of LCN in this country then it's easily hundreds of billions. Maybe even over a trillion.


Pogo

I'm with you on this ! Your right, Now that I think about it , Its gotta be closer to ,or more than a Trillion . Labor unions alone numbered in the thousands no matter how big or small all over the country , Add in Gambling of every kind, Stock market, Loansharking, Investments from Every size union pension fund, Drugs, Prohibition, Burglary rackets,Wayerfront, Hi jacking, Car theft/Chop shops, Waterfeont, Fish market,Airport, Insurance frauds, Medical fraud and healthcare fraud,Sanitation, Recycling, Construction/Concrete and then add in all the Legitimate business and semi legit and real estate holdings, Casinos, Boxing, Music industry, Hollywood . Holy christ, Its easily over a trillion

Now it's trillions?

[dack2001]

Actually, Jonathan Kwitney has written a number of excellent books and was a respected journalist. I would say he has much more credibility dead than someone who self proclaims he has credibility and goes by Bert on the internet who probably hasn't read a Kwitney book in his life or read his reporting.

[500YearReign]

The fountain pen conspiracy was a good book by Kwitney. It was about some con-artists who were involved with stock scams and the mafia in the 60-80s?. One con-artist flipped and then went on to form his own nation state.

I'm reading Kwitneys Vicious Cirlces now. About the mafia infiltration of the national meat purveyor business

[mafiastudent]

I promised myself I was going to stay out of this thread going forward, but here I am. People talk about the Constitution, and there's something in there called freedom of speech. What I don't understand is the continuing personal attacks on people on this thread and throughout this board. Whether you agree or disagree, everyone has a right to their opinion. Attacking people for their forum names or where they live and whatever else is unnecessary, rude, and just plain stupid. I don't know if it's because it's a mafia forum and everyone wants to get their mob persona on but FFS people grow up.