New LCNBios Update

[moneyman]

Mancuso must have approved Cammarano as acting boss in 2015 correct? So the big mystery is why Mancuso wants Cammarano to step down as acting boss in 2017.

[Breadman]

any Idea who sponsored the Grimaldis'? possibly Cammarano Sr?

[johnny_scootch]

Does anyone know when the Bonanno's stopped using the full initiation ceremony? We should be able to narrow down a decent time frame with all those informants. I wonder what Gotti would have said if he found out they had abandoned the traditional ceremony, keeping in mind his reaction to receiving the same news about the Decavalcante family.

I think even before Gotti's induction they were doing some untraditional things. I think Joe Massino mentioned that during his ceremony they told him to pretend there was a gun/knife on the table because times were tough with law enforcement. That ceremony happened in June 14 1977 and Gotti didnt get made until around Halloween 77 I believe

Yes I realize this. Just wondering what Gotti would have done while he was boss in regards to the Bonanno's considering he made the Decavalcantes remake all the guys that went thru the shortened ceremony.

[johnny_scootch]

Joe Bosco was running the family with Vinny TV in 2012 according to JD. It seems like he was a captain also. I've barely heard of this guy, anyone have any info?

[Cheech]

Mancuso must have approved Cammarano as acting boss in 2015 correct? So the big mystery is why Mancuso wants Cammarano to step down as acting boss in 2017.

Cammarano had the capos vote with out mancuso or palazallo knowing or something of that nature.

[thekiduknow]

Does anyone know when the Bonanno's stopped using the full initiation ceremony? We should be able to narrow down a decent time frame with all those informants. I wonder what Gotti would have said if he found out they had abandoned the traditional ceremony, keeping in mind his reaction to receiving the same news about the Decavalcante family.

I’m pretty sure in the topic about the Bonannos in the 70s, B. and others discuss the lack of “proper” inductions in the Bonannos going back even further than the 70s. I believe William Darra didn’t have the traditional ceremony, although I’d have to recheck my notes. Other informants stated that they were merely told they were inducted at a dinner, or in the back room of a bar. Joe Bonanno himself doesn’t say his ceremony had the gun and the knife, which is odd given how proud he is of the “traditional” mafia.

[slimshady_007]

Interesting info about Johnny Joe Spirito Jr bein shelved.

[gohnjotti]

Interesting info about Johnny Joe Spirito Jr bein shelved.

He was shelved by Cammarano Jr., right? Because Cammarano didn’t like the messages Spirito was passing from Mancuso in prison. I imagine that with Mancuso’s re-ascension to power, Spirito is back in the fold.

[johnny_scootch]

Interesting info about Johnny Joe Spirito Jr bein shelved.

He was shelved by Cammarano Jr., right? Because Cammarano didn’t like the messages Spirito was passing from Mancuso in prison. I imagine that with Mancuso’s re-ascension to power, Spirito is back in the fold.

A great assessment and one with which I fully agree. I'd bet anyone shelved by the 'rebel' admin will have a good shot of being reinstated.

[gohnjotti]

Interesting info about Johnny Joe Spirito Jr bein shelved.

He was shelved by Cammarano Jr., right? Because Cammarano didn’t like the messages Spirito was passing from Mancuso in prison. I imagine that with Mancuso’s re-ascension to power, Spirito is back in the fold.

A great assessment and one with which I fully agree. I'd bet anyone shelved by the 'rebel' admin will have a good shot of being reinstated.

Exactly. It says Spirito was shelved because he was passing "fake messages" from Mancuso, according to Lovaglio. I doubt that. I think it's more likely that Cammarano Jr. simply didn't like what he heard.

[Lupara]

Does anyone know when the Bonanno's stopped using the full initiation ceremony? We should be able to narrow down a decent time frame with all those informants. I wonder what Gotti would have said if he found out they had abandoned the traditional ceremony, keeping in mind his reaction to receiving the same news about the Decavalcante family.

I’m pretty sure in the topic about the Bonannos in the 70s, B. and others discuss the lack of “proper” inductions in the Bonannos going back even further than the 70s. I believe William Darra didn’t have the traditional ceremony, although I’d have to recheck my notes. Other informants stated that they were merely told they were inducted at a dinner, or in the back room of a bar. Joe Bonanno himself doesn’t say his ceremony had the gun and the knife, which is odd given how proud he is of the “traditional” mafia.

Even more odd if it was carried out by Maranzano. I find it hard to believe a great traditionalist such as Maranzano who believed in symbolism wouldn't use the gun and knive, but perhaps it was also simplified due to 'hard times'.

[thekiduknow]

Does anyone know when the Bonanno's stopped using the full initiation ceremony? We should be able to narrow down a decent time frame with all those informants. I wonder what Gotti would have said if he found out they had abandoned the traditional ceremony, keeping in mind his reaction to receiving the same news about the Decavalcante family.

I’m pretty sure in the topic about the Bonannos in the 70s, B. and others discuss the lack of “proper” inductions in the Bonannos going back even further than the 70s. I believe William Darra didn’t have the traditional ceremony, although I’d have to recheck my notes. Other informants stated that they were merely told they were inducted at a dinner, or in the back room of a bar. Joe Bonanno himself doesn’t say his ceremony had the gun and the knife, which is odd given how proud he is of the “traditional” mafia.

Even more odd if it was carried out by Maranzano. I find it hard to believe a great traditionalist such as Maranzano who believed in symbolism wouldn't use the gun and knive, but perhaps it was also simplified due to 'hard times'.

Looking through JB's book, me makes it seem his induction occurred around 1929, and from the way he describes it Maranzano was a powerful leader within the Castellemmarese Family, but wasn't the boss. Nicolo Schiro would have been, so either he didn't use the gun and the knife, or Bonanno just didn't mention it.

Maranzano, on the other hand, did the whole works even in turbulent times. Joe Valachi was inducted by Maranzano, and describes the ceremony as we know it today, with the gun and the knife, the pricking of the finger and the burning saint.

[johnny_scootch]

Does anyone know when the Bonanno's stopped using the full initiation ceremony? We should be able to narrow down a decent time frame with all those informants. I wonder what Gotti would have said if he found out they had abandoned the traditional ceremony, keeping in mind his reaction to receiving the same news about the Decavalcante family.

I’m pretty sure in the topic about the Bonannos in the 70s, B. and others discuss the lack of “proper” inductions in the Bonannos going back even further than the 70s. I believe William Darra didn’t have the traditional ceremony, although I’d have to recheck my notes. Other informants stated that they were merely told they were inducted at a dinner, or in the back room of a bar. Joe Bonanno himself doesn’t say his ceremony had the gun and the knife, which is odd given how proud he is of the “traditional” mafia.

Even more odd if it was carried out by Maranzano. I find it hard to believe a great traditionalist such as Maranzano who believed in symbolism wouldn't use the gun and knive, but perhaps it was also simplified due to 'hard times'.

Looking through JB's book, me makes it seem his induction occurred around 1929, and from the way he describes it Maranzano was a powerful leader within the Castellemmarese Family, but wasn't the boss. Nicolo Schiro would have been, so either he didn't use the gun and the knife, or Bonanno just didn't mention it.

Maranzano, on the other hand, did the whole works even in turbulent times. Joe Valachi was inducted by Maranzano, and describes the ceremony as we know it today, with the gun and the knife, the pricking of the finger and the burning saint.

Bonanno left the details of his ceremony out purposely, there is little to no chance he didn't go through the full ceremony.

[Wiseguy]

Looking through that latest info on the Bonannos on JD's blog, as well as the recent Gang Land article about Mancuso shelving captains, it almost seems like they would have gone to war if this were years ago.

[Frank]

Looking through that latest info on the Bonannos on JD's blog, as well as the recent Gang Land article about Mancuso shelving captains, it almost seems like they would have gone to war if this were years ago.

Yes I agree. With the current info, it seems that Cammarano, and the Grimaldis we're trying to take over the Family. They had to be prepared for anything, knowing Mancuso was getting out soon.