THE JEWISH MOB!

[maxiestern11]

Not with the proper hierarchy as we know it today, but a “band” of men, surreptitiously operating in the shadows.

[maxiestern11]

a precursor of what would develop into a strict hierarchical structure by the late 1800’s

[scagghiuni]

....some form (rudimentary though it may have been), is alleged to have been traced much earlier. I do not have the exact age, but I believe (if memory serves me, I am getting older lol) that a precursor dates back to the 1600’s-1700’s. Either in Naples, Calabria or Sicily... a brotherhood type association for common benefit and defense

there were criminals but not mafia type organization with ranks/rituals etc. as we know it today, they were formed all in 1800s according to documents, of course being secret societies it is not 100% sure, but there are not any documentes prior 1800s

[maxiestern11]

If/when I come across what I previously read about the subject, I’ll try and save it to post ok.

[sdeitche]

Yes wiseguy, most Jewish sons did not follow their fathers in the mob..... a good example would be Max (The Jew) Schrager’s Son Ian Schrager, who took his fathers money and parlayed it into real estate, hotels, and the famed Studio 54 (partnering with Steve Rubell). Today Ian operates hotels in Miami etc. (Max Schrager was a large numbers racketeer in NY close to/partners with Meyer Lansky).

That's a big why they didn't have the staying power. Also most moved heavily into legitimate businesses. For example Zwillman and his associates (like Doc Stacher, Max Hinkes) owned dozens of businesses and invested in many more.

[scagghiuni]

there is no criminal group in the world that has handed down the rules/ranks for so long like the italian mafia, not even triads or yakuza, that's why cosa nostra is still alive (it started in 1880s) in the states and other groups disappear, there is not any jewish or irish criminal group from the prohibition era still active just to speak

[motorfab]

I do not agree at all with the Triads or the Yakuzas. Maybe they are few in the US, but it's something huge in Asia. And largely as old (maybe even more) than LCN and still active today. But maybe you only talk about the US. As for the Jewish or Irish Gangs it is clear that they are all or almost extinct

[scagghiuni]

I do not agree at all with the Triads or the Yakuzas. Maybe they are few in the US, but it's something huge in Asia. And largely as old (maybe even more) than LCN and still active today. But maybe you only talk about the US. As for the Jewish or Irish Gangs it is clear that they are all or almost extinct

italian mafia in italy (camorra/sicilian mafia) are older than yakuza according to official documentes and a bit older than triads

[maxiestern11]

Another big difference is the Mafia, by a variety of names and references over the years from Italy, have extended their activities and established “bases” of operation all over the world.(except iron curtain countries). South America, Argentina, Colombia, Canada, North America, ALL over Europe (Belgium, Germany, Frances,
England to name but a few), even into North Africa, etc to facilitate their narcotics trafficking, and other monetary financial schemes. They are not limited in depth, on any level! Their scope of operations and their world-wide “octopus” like tentacles give it a width and breath unparalleled !

[Confederate]

Jewish gangsters were definitely early pioneers within organized crime in a lot of ways. They just didn't have the built-in tradition the Italians had that perpetuated the organization. That included the hierarchical structure that could replace a leader, as well as the sons of Jewish gangsters not following their fathers into the rackets. They were also smart enough to recognize they couldn't stop the oncoming tide of Mafia dominance and partnered with the Italians.

The Jews had no desire to have an ongoing criminal organization like the Mafia. Crime served as a doorway to legitimacy and eventual assimilation into the American mainstream for their children.

Time has proven this to be very true. The Jews were very happy to partner with the Mafia and then eventually fade out of O.C. through attrition.

[maxiestern11]

Back to the Jewish mob though, how organized was the Jewish mob? Did they have their own gangs/organizations or was it more of a network of Jewish criminals?

Rat, there were small cliques of only several guys, then there were large well organized gangs run by the likes of a Lansky, Siegel, Nig Rosen, Lepke Buchalter (Top Guy), Longy Zwillman (very powerful NJ boss), etc... the same in Philly, and other states as well. But nonetheless, none had the staying power of the Italian mob, for reasons I stated above (and many more reasons not specified).

[maxiestern11]

Back to the Jewish mob though, how organized was the Jewish mob? Did they have their own gangs/organizations or was it more of a network of Jewish criminals?

A bit of the 2 I think. It's a bunch of gangs and as they get to know each other, work together like Brownsville Boys & Lepke's gang. The only thing I'm sure of is that even if they are organized, they are not as hierarchical as the Italians. For me Jewish gangs, I thought about French gangs of the 30/60's: a group of men who know each other and it is those who have the biggest cock or the most political support that dominates

Mororfab, agreed! I think you’re correct, like the corsicans (think French connection and Marseilles), they,
Like the Jewish gangs. We’re organized, but a small and looser knit structure. Of course they’re was a boss, right hand Man, couple of key guys (similar to a lieutenants), but that’s probably about it. And because of their ethnic background were drawn to each other. If you notice, 90% of gangs, mobs, etc., are based along ethnic lines..... birds of a feather you know!

[maxiestern11]

..... From the fictional “Don Vito Corleone” to June 8, 2019 forward.... the “world” has been captivated” by the Italian underworld, the “Mafia” by any other name, has become a cottage industry the world over. Why? I’ll tell you why, because the premise, the love, the respect, the family unit (modeled after the Italian people’s lifestyle and unwavering loyalty and love of family) is a concept near and dear to the human condition to its core! Regardless of whether you’re Irish, Jewish, Polish, Chinese, German, etc etc ..... you can identify and long for what it represents. A corrupted view of family for sure, lol, but a concept so many people lack. If only one could exact revenge and justice when wronged, if only we could all stick together and thrive, and help one another. If only we could wield that enormous power and influence to get things done. It’s a very intoxicating thought. But one that Cosa Nostra, over hundreds of years developed, AND sustained! Not the Japanese Yakuza, Chinese Triads, Russian thieves in law, Hispanic mobs (Cubans, Mexicans, Colombians, etc), Jewish mobs, Irish, etc etc..... have EVER truly had, or could ever have. Influence in both the upperworld and underworld, in nearly every racket or industry worth controlling, the world over! Heck, even this website, the forum, is thriving because of the thousands of forum members absolutely spellbound, amazed, so interested in Italian OC that this forum succeeds. Think about it? It’s so true it’s silly to even debate it!
LOL, I’ve said my piece (my 2 cents) lol.....

Damn maxiestern, what church will you be preaching in later today? I want to be there in the front row! All good stuff maxie thanks. You're a hell of a writer. Better still you're a hell of a thinker and have the ability to capture it and get it down.

Johnny Fazool.... lol, thank you for that nice compliment..... ps: I wrote you before but I didn’t know how to add it to your post. Didn’t know if you had seen it! thanks pal!

[maxiestern11]

Maxie Small precision for the French Connection: In the beginning, from the 30s until the mid-60s, it is strictly reserved for the Corsicans who dominate organized crime in France at that time. Contrary to what John Cusack (an agent of the Bureau of Narcotics) said, they were not very organized groups, but alliances that were made according to needs and connections with the US. In fact he said that to the newspapers only to get things moving that were stuck in France. He even invented the concept of Union Corse (it does not exist). However from 64 with the murder of Antoine Guerini, the market will open to the mainland. Virtually all gangsters were drug traffickers at the time. Basically everything is going to break the mouth around 1972 where the authorities will move their ass. I made a chart on the Middle Corsica if you're curious (the first is not very accurate) and I made a topic on it in the mugshots section. Here I stop for the off-topic, we can continue on the Jews mob

And to come back to the topic, the guy who was bringing Lepke Heroin was Jean-Paul Stefani

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Motorfab, I just looked at your charts. Very interesting layout. My compliments. Good info

[motorfab]

Maxie Small precision for the French Connection: In the beginning, from the 30s until the mid-60s, it is strictly reserved for the Corsicans who dominate organized crime in France at that time. Contrary to what John Cusack (an agent of the Bureau of Narcotics) said, they were not very organized groups, but alliances that were made according to needs and connections with the US. In fact he said that to the newspapers only to get things moving that were stuck in France. He even invented the concept of Union Corse (it does not exist). However from 64 with the murder of Antoine Guerini, the market will open to the mainland. Virtually all gangsters were drug traffickers at the time. Basically everything is going to break the mouth around 1972 where the authorities will move their ass. I made a chart on the Middle Corsica if you're curious (the first is not very accurate) and I made a topic on it in the mugshots section. Here I stop for the off-topic, we can continue on the Jews mob

And to come back to the topic, the guy who was bringing Lepke Heroin was Jean-Paul Stefani

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Motorfab, I just looked at your charts. Very interesting layout. My compliments. Good info

You told me already last month but thank you, glad you like it