LA Family leftovers

[JCB1977]

Sorry fellas...but L.A has and always will be run by The Jews. They’ve dominated L.A. since the 1920’s at least.

[JCB1977]

Great File on L.A

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 3&tab=page

[Grouchy Sinatra]

Actually in the 1930s the WASPS in downtown had a syndicate that stretched from the underground gambling circuit to city hall and the courts. They ran Capone out of town in the late 20s. Roselli and Dragna somehow took over their rackets, then Bugsy hoarded in on many of the rackets but that was under Luciano's umbrella. If you're talking about showbiz then yeah, that's always been Jewish dominated. Hollywood and downtown LA are two different places that have historically been at odds, and for many decades the LAPD was its own branch of LA's ruling class and was at odds with both.

[Stroccos]

nick nardi barred from the union for associating with mobsters
http://irbcases.wrlc.org/bitstream/hand ... sequence=1

[ChicagoOutfit]

Since the family is extinct, is there another family with interest or operations in LA?

Ya. The Crips and Bloods

As far as Italian groups I think the Camorra has a group there

Interested to hear more about the Camorra operating in LA/Cali. I know Israeli OC crime runs a lot of shit in LA and there's some Albanians out there too

[JCB1977]

Since the family is extinct, is there another family with interest or operations in LA?

Ya. The Crips and Bloods

As far as Italian groups I think the Camorra has a group there

Interested to hear more about the Camorra operating in LA/Cali. I know Israeli OC crime runs a lot of shit in LA and there's some Albanians out there too

Antillar can chime in on this...if true.

[sdeitche]

Sorry fellas...but L.A has and always will be run by The Jews. They’ve dominated L.A. since the 1920’s at least.

We run it all

I have a friend who works for law enforcement out near Glendale. He says Armenian organized crime are big players in that area.

[Wiseguy]

Since the family is extinct, is there another family with interest or operations in LA?

Ya. The Crips and Bloods

As far as Italian groups I think the Camorra has a group there

Interested to hear more about the Camorra operating in LA/Cali. I know Israeli OC crime runs a lot of shit in LA and there's some Albanians out there too

I think the Camorra in LA thing mostly comes from a map in an OC book (forget which one) that shows different clans in various parts of the U.S. and the Aleanza di Secondigliano in LA. Not sure what that involved (counterfeit goods perhaps) but, on the whole, I think the map conveys a bigger presence than there is of Italian syndicates in the U.S. Especially out west there little to no presence of Italy or U.S. based groups.

[Angelo Santino]

Actually in the 1930s the WASPS in downtown had a syndicate that stretched from the underground gambling circuit to city hall and the courts. They ran Capone out of town in the late 20s. Roselli and Dragna somehow took over their rackets, then Bugsy hoarded in on many of the rackets but that was under Luciano's umbrella. If you're talking about showbiz then yeah, that's always been Jewish dominated. Hollywood and downtown LA are two different places that have historically been at odds, and for many decades the LAPD was its own branch of LA's ruling class and was at odds with both.

The City Hall Gang!

I think the Camorra in LA thing mostly comes from a map in an OC book (forget which one) that shows different clans in various parts of the U.S. and the Aleanza di Secondigliano in LA. Not sure what that involved (counterfeit goods perhaps) but, on the whole, I think the map conveys a bigger presence than there is of Italian syndicates in the U.S. Especially out west there little to no presence of Italy or U.S. based groups.

The problem with making maps showcasing "territory" is that it's too simplistic. If I personally go and open a strip club in Tampa then I'm considered one of many. If I'm a Colombo member and goes and does the same thing, on some Colombo chart I'm going to be listed as "Tampa-based soldier" and Tampa as "my territory." Which is partly true in the LCN-sense if a member wishes to open one up near me when I already planted my flag. But in the grand scheme of things, made or not, it's not "my territory" in the sense that I control when the bridges rise and when the lights go green. These guys have always moved around and it's not always strategic. And sometimes it is, the Italian groups are also wholesale traffickers so it makes sense to have "go to representatives" in certain areas but it's not like they are establishing a new crew/group which would be redundant. For that to happen there'd need to be another mass migration from Italy.

[Stroccos]

Since the family is extinct, is there another family with interest or operations in LA?

Ya. The Crips and Bloods

As far as Italian groups I think the Camorra has a group there

Interested to hear more about the Camorra operating in LA/Cali. I know Israeli OC crime runs a lot of shit in LA and there's some Albanians out there too

I think the Camorra in LA thing mostly comes from a map in an OC book (forget which one) that shows different clans in various parts of the U.S. and the Aleanza di Secondigliano in LA. Not sure what that involved (counterfeit goods perhaps) but, on the whole, I think the map conveys a bigger presence than there is of Italian syndicates in the U.S. Especially out west there little to no presence of Italy or U.S. based groups.

I read about ina report put out by the state of California , I will see if I can find it later this evening .

[Stroccos]

Actually in the 1930s the WASPS in downtown had a syndicate that stretched from the underground gambling circuit to city hall and the courts. They ran Capone out of town in the late 20s. Roselli and Dragna somehow took over their rackets, then Bugsy hoarded in on many of the rackets but that was under Luciano's umbrella. If you're talking about showbiz then yeah, that's always been Jewish dominated. Hollywood and downtown LA are two different places that have historically been at odds, and for many decades the LAPD was its own branch of LA's ruling class and was at odds with both.

The City Hall Gang!

I think the Camorra in LA thing mostly comes from a map in an OC book (forget which one) that shows different clans in various parts of the U.S. and the Aleanza di Secondigliano in LA. Not sure what that involved (counterfeit goods perhaps) but, on the whole, I think the map conveys a bigger presence than there is of Italian syndicates in the U.S. Especially out west there little to no presence of Italy or U.S. based groups.

The problem with making maps showcasing "territory" is that it's too simplistic. If I personally go and open a strip club in Tampa then I'm considered one of many. If I'm a Colombo member and goes and does the same thing, on some Colombo chart I'm going to be listed as "Tampa-based soldier" and Tampa as "my territory." Which is partly true in the LCN-sense if a member wishes to open one up near me when I already planted my flag. But in the grand scheme of things, made or not, it's not "my territory" in the sense that I control when the bridges rise and when the lights go green. These guys have always moved around and it's not always strategic. And sometimes it is, the Italian groups are also wholesale traffickers so it makes sense to have "go to representatives" in certain areas but it's not like they are establishing a new crew/group which would be redundant. For that to happen there'd need to be another mass migration from Italy.

Good points ,

You ever make a la chart ?

[Angelo Santino]

Yes, back in 2002 when we knew far less than we do today and certain people took creative measures or had a wild imagination. I still got them somewhere but I won't be releasing them.

As far as now, if Antiliar ever wants to make one, he knows who to ask. But I suspect he thinks the information is too spotty to create a chart and he doesn't like to speculate outside of what is known or probable. Something which I find myself agreeing with.

LA as I recall is a very frustrating city. I remember way back when we were searching for Vito Di Giorgio and we didn't have the records we do today so many concluded he didn't exist or Gentile got the name wrong. Our best sources for the West Coast are Fratianno and to a lesser extend Fiato and then Kenji Gallo. Fratianno was a very bitter and self-aggrandizing individual, everyone around him was a deadhead or a weakling. Despite how pathetic he made Pete Milano look in his book the guy did die a mob boss. Albeit over a dormant one that went extinct but still. Fiato's story is sketchy at best, although to be fair the book was rushed to cash in on the OJ case, Gallo brushed up against alot of people and one of them was Kenji Gallo, they remained on talking terms after he flipped. There's recordings to verify this.

EDIT: You can add Bompensiero into the mix as he assisted the FBI early on, I however never looked into it, B.'s posted about him excessively. Antiliar knows probably the most about him.

[Stroccos]

Yes, back in 2002 when we knew far less than we do today and certain people took creative measures or had a wild imagination. I still got them somewhere but I won't be releasing them.

As far as now, if Antiliar ever wants to make one, he knows who to ask. But I suspect he thinks the information is too spotty to create a chart and he doesn't like to speculate outside of what is known or probable. Something which I find myself agreeing with.

LA as I recall is a very frustrating city. I remember way back when we were searching for Vito Di Giorgio and we didn't have the records we do today so many concluded he didn't exist or Gentile got the name wrong. Our best sources for the West Coast are Fratianno and to a lesser extend Fiato and then Kenji Gallo. Fratianno was a very bitter and self-aggrandizing individual, everyone around him was a deadhead or a weakling. Despite how pathetic he made Pete Milano look in his book the guy did die a mob boss. Albeit over a dormant one that went extinct but still. Fiato's story is sketchy at best, although to be fair the book was rushed to cash in on the OJ case, Gallo brushed up against alot of people and one of them was Kenji Gallo, they remained on talking terms after he flipped. There's recordings to verify this.

EDIT: You can add Bompensiero into the mix as he assisted the FBI early on, I however never looked into it, B.'s posted about him excessively. Antiliar knows probably the most about him.

I glossed fiatos book never completed it , I did enjoy Gallos book although he probably pumped him self up but it was a good read anyway;
Pete milano died a with what I would assume to be a millionare in his own bed, Fratiano was a rat he probably hated that about himself.

maybe we can piece a 1980's or 90's one together

[Angelo Santino]

Yes, back in 2002 when we knew far less than we do today and certain people took creative measures or had a wild imagination. I still got them somewhere but I won't be releasing them.

As far as now, if Antiliar ever wants to make one, he knows who to ask. But I suspect he thinks the information is too spotty to create a chart and he doesn't like to speculate outside of what is known or probable. Something which I find myself agreeing with.

LA as I recall is a very frustrating city. I remember way back when we were searching for Vito Di Giorgio and we didn't have the records we do today so many concluded he didn't exist or Gentile got the name wrong. Our best sources for the West Coast are Fratianno and to a lesser extend Fiato and then Kenji Gallo. Fratianno was a very bitter and self-aggrandizing individual, everyone around him was a deadhead or a weakling. Despite how pathetic he made Pete Milano look in his book the guy did die a mob boss. Albeit over a dormant one that went extinct but still. Fiato's story is sketchy at best, although to be fair the book was rushed to cash in on the OJ case, Gallo brushed up against alot of people and one of them was Kenji Gallo, they remained on talking terms after he flipped. There's recordings to verify this.

EDIT: You can add Bompensiero into the mix as he assisted the FBI early on, I however never looked into it, B.'s posted about him excessively. Antiliar knows probably the most about him.

I glossed fiatos book never completed it , I did enjoy Gallos book although he probably pumped him self up but it was a good read anyway;
Pete milano died a with what I would assume to be a millionare in his own bed, Fratiano was a rat he probably hated that about himself.

maybe we can piece a 1980's or 90's one together

You could but it'd likely be damn boring. By this time they weren't really doing anything, certainly nothing "organized." If a member had a book and he died, that book would die with him and not "go to the Family." The captains at this time had no active soldiers, one had to bring bikers with him to a sitdown. Jimmy Caci was really the last active member and when he died, so did all the connections back east.

And some argue that when Carmen Milano flipped, the family was disbanded. I don't know if there's any truth to it but it's very possible. The West Coast Families probably peaked in their 50's. From the 60's it was downhill for all of them. But this isn't the 1920's when people were following chain migration for work in industries that no longer exist. This as much as anything contributed to the mob's decline in certain areas. And while there are still mafia members that go out there, even to this day, it's not as a functional unit with orders from back east, it's a guy opening a strip club or Donnie Shacks.

Not relating to the LA Family, but when Merlino was released, he was sending feelers out about a possible book or movie deal. When he went out to LA he met up with Scotto. If that's the mob connection for the east coast that's that. And if that was Merlino's conduit to the entertainment industry it's like Clark Griswald calling cousin Eddy his conduit to Vegas because he lives in a trailer on the outskirts.

[Stroccos]

Yes, back in 2002 when we knew far less than we do today and certain people took creative measures or had a wild imagination. I still got them somewhere but I won't be releasing them.

As far as now, if Antiliar ever wants to make one, he knows who to ask. But I suspect he thinks the information is too spotty to create a chart and he doesn't like to speculate outside of what is known or probable. Something which I find myself agreeing with.

LA as I recall is a very frustrating city. I remember way back when we were searching for Vito Di Giorgio and we didn't have the records we do today so many concluded he didn't exist or Gentile got the name wrong. Our best sources for the West Coast are Fratianno and to a lesser extend Fiato and then Kenji Gallo. Fratianno was a very bitter and self-aggrandizing individual, everyone around him was a deadhead or a weakling. Despite how pathetic he made Pete Milano look in his book the guy did die a mob boss. Albeit over a dormant one that went extinct but still. Fiato's story is sketchy at best, although to be fair the book was rushed to cash in on the OJ case, Gallo brushed up against alot of people and one of them was Kenji Gallo, they remained on talking terms after he flipped. There's recordings to verify this.

EDIT: You can add Bompensiero into the mix as he assisted the FBI early on, I however never looked into it, B.'s posted about him excessively. Antiliar knows probably the most about him.

I glossed fiatos book never completed it , I did enjoy Gallos book although he probably pumped him self up but it was a good read anyway;
Pete milano died a with what I would assume to be a millionare in his own bed, Fratiano was a rat he probably hated that about himself.

maybe we can piece a 1980's or 90's one together

You could but it'd likely be damn boring. By this time they weren't really doing anything, certainly nothing "organized." If a member had a book and he died, that book would die with him and not "go to the Family." The captains at this time had no active soldiers, one had to bring bikers with him to a sitdown. Jimmy Caci was really the last active member and when he died, so did all the connections back east.

And some argue that when Carmen Milano flipped, the family was disbanded. I don't know if there's any truth to it but it's very possible. The West Coast Families probably peaked in their 50's. From the 60's it was downhill for all of them. But this isn't the 1920's when people were following chain migration for work in industries that no longer exist. This as much as anything contributed to the mob's decline in certain areas. And while there are still mafia members that go out there, even to this day, it's not as a functional unit with orders from back east, it's a guy opening a strip club or Donnie Shacks.

Not relating to the LA Family, but when Merlino was released, he was sending feelers out about a possible book or movie deal. When he went out to LA he met up with Scotto. If that's the mob connection for the east coast that's that. And if that was Merlino's conduit to the entertainment industry it's like Clark Griswald calling cousin Eddy his conduit to Vegas because he lives in a trailer on the outskirts.

I thought they still had decent of made guys into the 80’s , I had a interest in the Cleveland guys who went out there

That is what Carmen told be feds in his proffer session . That they disbanded the family . So I tend to believe it .