Speculating who the new Gambino underboss will be

[TommyGambino]

They would probably have an acting seeing this is unexpected. Juliano or Gurino from that panel could be good guesses, if that panel still exists and they are still on it. DiMaria orJo Jo Corazzo would be a couple others

Juliano died a day or so before Cali

That was a different Juliano. It was originally thought to be Sonny but it was in fact his brother Richie.

thanks. do we know much about either brothers?
was Richie Juliano made?
i believe Juliano was a Gotti guy, has JD or anyone done any research on him/them??

Richard was made, the Juliano brothers were under George DeCicco

[JeremyTheJew]

Sonny pointed out in the Siemplace article that Paul Siemplace specifically says he is under Lorenzo and that tbey were very close.
its known that Mannino was head of the zips but this article shiws he did not move up to UB

[Wiseguy]

Sonny pointed out in the Siemplace article that Paul Siemplace specifically says he is under Lorenzo and that tbey were very close.
its known that Mannino was head of the zips but this article shiws he did not move up to UB

Wait...you mean the feds/Capeci were right again while forum rumor wasn't?

I'm shocked. SHOCKED!

[JeremyTheJew]

Sonny pointed out in the Siemplace article that Paul Siemplace specifically says he is under Lorenzo and that tbey were very close.
its known that Mannino was head of the zips but this article shiws he did not move up to UB

Wait...you mean the feds/Capeci were right again while forum rumor wasn't?

I'm shocked. SHOCKED!

lol idk of any time that the forum rumors were accurate

[MichaelGiovanni]

I’m not Saying Mannino is or isn’t UB

Semplice was indicted in Nov 2017. Who knows when his statement about Mannino being his ‘supervisor’ was made. It is possible he was moved up after the fact. Using that article as proof that Mannino was never moved to UB is a premature jump to a conclusion without considering all factors and possibilities.

[CabriniGreen]

What exactly is this about, felices info?

It doesn't really matter that much. The ranks, all these guys are- were close friends, ( im assuming... ) Cefalu, Cali, Mannino..... I'm speaking in terms of the " Sicilian faction"...

I've said before, I've seen Cali everything from Boss, Acting boss, Underboss, Consigliere, to halfway shelved.
I just looked at him like one of the 5-7 or so guys that make the family "GO" so to speak... And the key guy for the international connections....

I would just go with the FBI on the ranks.....


Influence is tougher to nail down than rank....
Take Gotti, all the guys close to Gotti were in positions of power at some point.

This is why some ( we really dont have to argue about this, REALLY, we dont.... it's MY opinion...) believe John Gambino was the final word. You can SEE the influence by all of HIS guys in power positions.....

Otherwise, it makes you wonder WHY all these guys are or were in charge

B., did a good breakdown of how certain guys were like bridges between the power "factions/clicks", Gottis people and the Sicilian faction. If you take out the flashiness, I think They really had more in common than not, honestly.

I could definitely see Cali having more RANK, yet Mannino having at least equal clout in the family.....

Three questions...

1. What does Sicilian faction mean to the Gambinos?

Business ties, ethnic ties, family ties, all three intertwined? Was Cali really importing guys, Large crews? Why are these ties so important? Especially the mysterious international business.....

2. Who are the biggest earners?

3. Who commands the largest- most active crews?

I think these people will be the top guys......

[CabriniGreen]

Also, just occured to me, is JoJo consigliere again? Who's consigliere?

[chin_gigante]

Also, just occured to me, is JoJo consigliere again? Who's consigliere?

Don't think anything "official" has come out on consigliere post-Vernace

[CabriniGreen]

It's just as interesting a question as who's underboss, when you think about it...

They might have some BIG decisions to make very soon......

[HairyKnuckles]

How sure can we be on Peter Gotti not having any influence? It´s easy to just claim he has no say. Let me remind you that he is still the official boss. And now when he has a respected brother back on the streets, there is going to be negotiations on who will be on top especially if the Family is fractured. As the official boss (although incarcerated) Peter Gotti has the right on his side in naming administration guys. These negotiations could last for months. If Gene wants a seat on the administration, he will be considered and if he doesn´t, a man like Anthony Gurino could be put in place.

One thing for sure though...Cali´s murder have opened up some possibilities of reinstatating the old Gotti faction into power no matter if the murder was just a random act by a nut case or a hit ordered by the top guys. Crazy.

[CabriniGreen]

How sure can we be on Peter Gotti not having any influence? It´s easy to just claim he has no say. Let me remind you that he is still the official boss. And now when he has a respected brother back on the streets, there is going to be negotiations on who will be on top especially if the Family is fractured. As the official boss (although incarcerated) Peter Gotti has the right on his side in naming administration guys. These negotiations could last for months. If Gene wants a seat on the administration, he will be considered and if he doesn´t, a man like Anthony Gurino could be put in place.

One thing for sure though...Cali´s murder have opened up some possibilities of reinstatating the old Gotti faction into power no matter if the murder was just a random act by a nut case or a hit ordered by the top guys. Crazy.

You know I was going to bring this up in the Crea thread, but I thought it might start something....

Why do we assume Pete has no clout, but Amuso has the final say?

It's an interesting question...... Why is one still boss, but the other isnt?

[CabriniGreen]

Another question... Cali was a KEY guy... very much like John Gambino in that he seemed to be the converging point for Italisn crime groups and the Americans...

Ok two questions....

1. CAN they replace Calis contacts/ connections, business capabilities? Besides Mannino, is there another guy in the Sicilian faction who could " function" as Cali did within the family?

2. With Cali gone, serious question here.... Is the Sicilian faction still the leading faction?

Gene is out, ( parole restrictions , I know ) Corrozzo is next year. Is there anyone else on the horizon who COULD make a splash?

[eboli]

There were multiple reports over the years detailing Amuso's control over the family like using Danny Cutaia as a messenger, telling everybody in the borgata to show up for his wife funeral in 2012. Both Capeci and the feds believe he's still the guy on top. As for Pete - the reports/rumors he's boss "in name only" started the moment he got busted in the early 00's for extorting Steven Seagal. He was never well-liked or was able to command the respect his brothers did. His own brother thought Pete was too stupid to be lcn material.

[HairyKnuckles]

There were multiple reports over the years detailing Amuso's control over the family like using Danny Cutaia as a messenger, telling everybody in the borgata to show up for his wife funeral in 2012. Both Capeci and the feds believe he's still the guy on top. As for Pete - the reports/rumors he's boss "in name only" started the moment he got busted in the early 00's for extorting Steven Seagal. He was never well-liked or was able to command the respect his brothers did. His own brother thought Pete was too stupid to be lcn material.

Well, we know that. But Peter Gotti was made the boss and has not stepped down as far as we know. And now when Gene is out, he has a voice and a presence on the street. Having Gurino on that ruling panel (reported some years ago) could mean that Peter Gotti still have some say.

[Camo]

It was reported in Gangland i believe that Pete was boss in name only. You're right though maybe he was brought back into the fold since he never relinquished the title and he's got more presence on the streets now, who knows.