Genovese Administration 1970s

[Frank]

- In early 1969, multiple informants reported rumors that Frank Tieri would succeed Vito Genovese as boss. He was described by one as "knowledgeable, loyal ,and well-liked." The informant felt, however, that Tieri would not have "complete authority" like Genovese had, and instead he would "probably function within a commission" made up of several redacted names, all of them high-ranking Genovese members. Other informants described the favorable opinion other members had toward Tieri during this time.

I could see that as a possibility, a commission or ruling panel instead of one person who replaced Genovese.

[chin_gigante]

The committee/ panel point is supported also later in the FBI files with reference to a three man panel (Zeccardi, Ardito and DeFeo - DeFeo being replaced by Alongi) running the family during Tieri's health problems from 1974 to 1975/6 and then again the triumvirate of Lombardo, Salerno and Gigante during Tieri's legal problems at the end of his life.

[B.]

- In early 1969, multiple informants reported rumors that Frank Tieri would succeed Vito Genovese as boss. He was described by one as "knowledgeable, loyal ,and well-liked." The informant felt, however, that Tieri would not have "complete authority" like Genovese had, and instead he would "probably function within a commission" made up of several redacted names, all of them high-ranking Genovese members. Other informants described the favorable opinion other members had toward Tieri during this time.

I could see that as a possibility, a commission or ruling panel instead of one person who replaced Genovese.

Yeah, just interesting that speculation before Genovese died fit with some of the later theories about a distribution of power. Fratianno's meeting with the Genovese leaders, including Tieri, made it sound like they were making decisions as a committee (by then including Gigante) even if it wasn't a true "ruling panel".

[Frank]

Also if there was a ruling panel that took the spot of official boss, maybe there was no official Underboss or Consigliere. That could explain the mess of trying to chart the whole administration during the 70s. Maybe for instance if there was a meeting, they would bring a person they trusted with them to help and advise them and just refer to him as consigliere. Or even a rotating type of system. Maybe when meeting with other families they just tried to identify a person in terms the other families would understand. It might explain these positions going in all different directions. I'm just trying to think out of the box.

[don-shunter]

This sounds like the similar system the Genovese have used after gigante died and before bellomo took over. Rotating senior leaders as a decision making body until one leader looks the better fit and leaving him as official boss.

[HairyKnuckles]

Also isn't it pretty clear in conversations that were recorded in the 1960's that Catena was acting boss and Eboli was acting Underboss.

Absolutely!

Another thing that makes me criticize what Cafaro said about this whole front boss crap is his claim (off the top of my head) saying that Vito Genovese had passed over control of the Family to Lombardo in the early 1960s when he went to jail. How plausible does that sound? It´s unbelievable that not only did Lombardo use Salerno and Tieri previously as front bosses, but also Catena and Eboli already in the early 1960s.

- In early 1969, multiple informants reported rumors that Frank Tieri would succeed Vito Genovese as boss. He was described by one as "knowledgeable, loyal ,and well-liked." The informant felt, however, that Tieri would not have "complete authority" like Genovese had, and instead he would "probably function within a commission" made up of several redacted names, all of them high-ranking Genovese members.

Yeah, that was in early 1969 when a successor to Genovese had not yet been appointed. There were of course candidates but no clear cut successor. A ruling panel must have been an option for the time being. Lombardo may very well have been part of a ruling panel (with Tieri, and a third party, sometime shortly after Eboli´s death) later on but by 1973/1974 Tieri was the official head.

[Cheech]

Harry did you ever get those matty horse files?

[newera_212]

was it true Pete DeFeo had problems with Gigante? i remember reading somewhere that they were "rivals." were from the same neighborhood more or less...few blocks across town...and were both powerful in their own right. did DeFeo get shelved? and did it have anything to do with Gigantes rise? i wish i remember where i read that, but i do remember seeing they had problems

[Snakes]

Harry did you ever get those matty horse files?

I think he did but it was mostly worthless. I could be mistaken, though.

[HairyKnuckles]

Harry did you ever get those matty horse files?

I think he did but it was mostly worthless. I could be mistaken, though.

No I haven't yet.

[CabriniGreen]

From Life Magazine, Feb 28, 1969....
They had Lombardo as a power back then....


https://books.google.com/books?id=r1IEA ... se&f=false

[Frank]

Also isn't it pretty clear in conversations that were recorded in the 1960's that Catena was acting boss and Eboli was acting Underboss.

Absolutely!

Another thing that makes me criticize what Cafaro said about this whole front boss crap is his claim (off the top of my head) saying that Vito Genovese had passed over control of the Family to Lombardo in the early 1960s when he went to jail. How plausible does that sound? It´s unbelievable that not only did Lombardo use Salerno and Tieri previously as front bosses, but also Catena and Eboli already in the early 1960s.

- In early 1969, multiple informants reported rumors that Frank Tieri would succeed Vito Genovese as boss. He was described by one as "knowledgeable, loyal ,and well-liked." The informant felt, however, that Tieri would not have "complete authority" like Genovese had, and instead he would "probably function within a commission" made up of several redacted names, all of them high-ranking Genovese members.

Yeah, that was in early 1969 when a successor to Genovese had not yet been appointed. There were of course candidates but no clear cut successor. A ruling panel must have been an option for the time being. Lombardo may very well have been part of a ruling panel (with Tieri, and a third party, sometime shortly after Eboli´s death) later on but by 1973/1974 Tieri was the official head.

When I've read the Cafaro statement when Vito went to prison in the 1960s, I always think didn't he go to prison in the 1950s. So then I always think he has other things wrong.

[HairyKnuckles]

Also isn't it pretty clear in conversations that were recorded in the 1960's that Catena was acting boss and Eboli was acting Underboss.

Absolutely!

Another thing that makes me criticize what Cafaro said about this whole front boss crap is his claim (off the top of my head) saying that Vito Genovese had passed over control of the Family to Lombardo in the early 1960s when he went to jail. How plausible does that sound? It´s unbelievable that not only did Lombardo use Salerno and Tieri previously as front bosses, but also Catena and Eboli already in the early 1960s.

- In early 1969, multiple informants reported rumors that Frank Tieri would succeed Vito Genovese as boss. He was described by one as "knowledgeable, loyal ,and well-liked." The informant felt, however, that Tieri would not have "complete authority" like Genovese had, and instead he would "probably function within a commission" made up of several redacted names, all of them high-ranking Genovese members.

Yeah, that was in early 1969 when a successor to Genovese had not yet been appointed. There were of course candidates but no clear cut successor. A ruling panel must have been an option for the time being. Lombardo may very well have been part of a ruling panel (with Tieri, and a third party, sometime shortly after Eboli´s death) later on but by 1973/1974 Tieri was the official head.

When I've read the Cafaro statement when Vito went to prison in the 1960s, I always think didn't he go to prison in the 1950s. So then I always think he has other things wrong.

I think Genovese was convicted in 1958, but his conviction was not affirmed until after his appeal was turned down in Jan 1960.

[Snakes]

Harry did you ever get those matty horse files?

I think he did but it was mostly worthless. I could be mistaken, though.

No I haven't yet.

I think the Friends of Ours blog had some Matty Ianniello files. That may have been what I was thinking of. Nothing particularly interesting, though.

[Manhattan_]

Do not over look Dom (The Sailor) DeQuartro , not sure if he was ever part of the Genovese Administration but he held a lot of power after Tommy Eboli was killed. Hard to research but very much part of the Westside crew , may have been in charge post Eboli pre Gigante.