Louis Mannochio (informant?)

[dixiemafia]

Yep Bianco was a fascinating character. Started in NYC, went to NE as a higher up then made boss only to be put away and die from ALS like very quick. Was even made when the books were supposedly closed to boot.

[davidf1989]

Yep Bianco was a fascinating character. Started in NYC, went to NE as a higher up then made boss only to be put away and die from ALS like very quick. Was even made when the books were supposedly closed to boot.

Didn't Bianco start as a member of the Gallo Gang in New York before changing sides?

[Dapper_Don]

From what was posted the informant had stopped cooperating at some point so it could have been Monacchio.


Pogo

Nothing would surprise me. Also could have been the Saint. Rumors up and down Mass and RI that he was a cooperating dry snitch. DeLuca was suspected by the Saint and continued to inform.

The Saint ordered a hit on DeLuca as Bobby was the one spreading those informant rumors, the Saint told the hitman "Shoot him in the ehad, tell him its from the Saint", iirc the hitman was cooperating/an undercover. Lo and behold it later comes out that Deluca was an informant.

[Pmac2]

Ray Sr brought bianco to NYC think a restaurant named Pasquale in Manhattan in 1964. Think there was more then 1 or 2 bosses. He was inducted in the mafia and Ray releases him to Joe Colombo at the ceremony its in rays fbi files all of this. Wasn't uncommon back then. Ray holds a induction ceremony in worcester in 1957 inductes 6 guys then releases them all to the new new England capo big nose Sam from springfield

[Pmac2]

Iaconne was sick and dying. So basically his whole worcester crew and a few Springfield guys get made by Ray then transferd at the same ceromony

[davidf1989]

From what was posted the informant had stopped cooperating at some point so it could have been Monacchio.


Pogo

Nothing would surprise me. Also could have been the Saint. Rumors up and down Mass and RI that he was a cooperating dry snitch. DeLuca was suspected by the Saint and continued to inform.

The Saint ordered a hit on DeLuca as Bobby was the one spreading those informant rumors, the Saint told the hitman "Shoot him in the ehad, tell him its from the Saint", iirc the hitman was cooperating/an undercover. Lo and behold it later comes out that Deluca was an informant.

Did the Saint claim he had permission from Manocchio to put a hit on Deluca? This article below said he claimed to one of the supposed hitmen that he had the permission of Manocchio. St. Laurent also identified Baby Shacks as his boss in his plea agreement. Is that some kind of informing?

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/03/ ... urder.html

[davidf1989]

Ok I found it....pg 101-102 from Rifleman...

“Flemmi speculated that Rhode Island LCN member Louis Baby Shanks Manocchio had been the individual who gave up the information that led to Salemme’s arrest. Manocbicco had been staying with Salemme at his New York apartment and is ______” (redacted...is an informant maybe is what is redacted”

“Flemmi recalled that in the early 90s, Manocchio would often tell Salemme that Flemmi is no good. Flemmi assumed Manocchio had been told by his _______ that he was an informant (redacted, possibly “handlers”)

How about this quote from Manocchio from rifleman on p.102? 'FLEMMI asked his FBI handler John CONNOLLY about his arrest of SALEMME, and was told that it was the result of an accidental meeting as reported in newspaper accounts of the event. FLEMMI also added that in around 1990 or 1991, he directly asked CONNOLLY about redacted (possibly Manocchio or the Saint,)After speaking with FBI agent Nick “Doc” GIANTURCO about the matter, CONNOLLY advised FLEMMI to “stay away from MANOCCHIO.” FLEMMI knew that this was a signal from CONNOLLY that MANOCCHICO was redacted (possibly an informant)

The double deal podcast makes the case that Salemne had been an informant until he went on the lam with Flemmi. What do people make of this podcast?

[CornerBoy]

Ok I found it....pg 101-102 from Rifleman...

“Flemmi speculated that Rhode Island LCN member Louis Baby Shanks Manocchio had been the individual who gave up the information that led to Salemme’s arrest. Manocbicco had been staying with Salemme at his New York apartment and is ______” (redacted...is an informant maybe is what is redacted”

“Flemmi recalled that in the early 90s, Manocchio would often tell Salemme that Flemmi is no good. Flemmi assumed Manocchio had been told by his _______ that he was an informant (redacted, possibly “handlers”)

I don't know about all this man. Wasn't it Flemmi himself who gave up Salemme back in 72? He was the one meeting with him at Central Park once a week, and didn't Salemme get pinched like a week after Stevie took off for Montreal? It seems a massive stretch to think that if Manocchio was an informant that his handler would just give him the identity of other informants. I mean Jesus Christ that would be a big deal, a massive breach of protocol. Who else was doing that other than Connolly in his dealings with Flemmi and Bulger? Maybe Baby Shanks was telling Frank that Stevie is no good because, gee I don't know, he'd been a gangster for 30+ years at that point and never did any time? Riding around all day with a guy who also hadn't been arrested for 30 years (while all the guys around them got busted), a guy who was already accused by the Globe of being an informant? Not to mention the fact that Stevie skated on the same charge that Salemme got 30 years for lol.

After the shit I've learned from this forum there really isn't any wiseguy who would completely shock me if it came out that they were dry snitching (except a guy like Gotti or Chin), but this accusation seems weak to me.

If Mannochio did that obviously it could have been a power play to take the spot. If he was a long time informant they wouldn’t have had a hard on for him and indicted him when he was 80 something. Maybe I’m wrong I always found why would a boss be a ci? They want the boss for the headlines what’s he gonna give up his underlings and they let him walk? Again the Salemme thing could be true as a power play but long time I doubt

Man all these guys could have been ratting on each other at various times over the years. There seemed to be a ton of that in New England. When I read that back I think I was too harsh on the theory that Manocchio could have been an informant. How much time did he do over the years? I don't know, I know he caught that case when he was in his 80s. For all we know he could have been dropping info back in the 70s or 80s. Maybe he had a guardian angel watching out for him when he was on the lam like Flemmi did. Don't forget Riccobene had his RICO case and his murder case when he was an old geezer and it never came out that he had snitched years earlier.

I guess I got my back up because it was from Flemmi lol in a world full of scumbags he is the scummiest of all. And I still have to believe that Flemmi would be the guy who got Salemme arrested back in NYC, after all the agent who "spotted" him on the street was the protege of the crooked ass agents who Stevie was in contact with the whole time.

He was on the lam for 10 years 69-79 doubt he was informing on the Lam

More drop info than don't. Louie baby whatever the fuck was on lam in some of the best ski destinations in the world in switzerland, austria, france and Chicago

[PolackTony]

More drop info than don't. Louie baby whatever the fuck was on lam in some of the best ski destinations in the world in switzerland, austria, france and Chicago

Did you mean to write something else? Chicago is flat as a pancake (it was original part of the lake bed of what is now Lake Michigan) and the closest thing even remotely resembling a “ski destination” of any sort is probably in Northern Michigan (and those are nothing to write home about).

[B.]

Nicky Bianco also hid Manocchio out in NYC while he was on the lam. If I remember right he was staying in Manhattan along with a girlfriend.

[davidf1989]

Nicky Bianco also hid Manocchio out in NYC while he was on the lam. If I remember right he was staying in Manhattan along with a girlfriend.

Thanks B for your message and what do you make of this an informant report? https://www.archives.gov/files/research ... 291491.pdf where it says that Bianco has Manocchio stashed away in New York and they were close friends. its on page 5.

Also this informant report goes through Manocchio's time in Central Park, New York https://www.archives.gov/files/research ... 291495.pdf and that Larry Baione put Salemme and Flemmi in touch with Manocchio.

[NewEnglandHere]

no way ive known lou for years .in fact in 1983 he was doing double life plus 10 fortunately it was overturned , he caught a bid in his eighties did it like a man , he is a standup guy last of the old timers in rhode island

[CornerBoy]

More drop info than don't. Louie baby whatever the fuck was on lam in some of the best ski destinations in the world in switzerland, austria, france and Chicago

Did you mean to write something else? Chicago is flat as a pancake (it was original part of the lake bed of what is now Lake Michigan) and the closest thing even remotely resembling a “ski destination” of any sort is probably in Northern Michigan (and those are nothing to write home about).

bad grammar on my part, bud. He was skiing in Switzerland, Austriaand the better ski areas of France. In addition, he was also in Chicago and I think maybe NYC. Sorry for the confusion. Yeah, no real skiing to speak of in Chitown LOLOL

[davidf1989]

Ok I found it....pg 101-102 from Rifleman...

“Flemmi speculated that Rhode Island LCN member Louis Baby Shanks Manocchio had been the individual who gave up the information that led to Salemme’s arrest. Manocbicco had been staying with Salemme at his New York apartment and is ______” (redacted...is an informant maybe is what is redacted”

“Flemmi recalled that in the early 90s, Manocchio would often tell Salemme that Flemmi is no good. Flemmi assumed Manocchio had been told by his _______ that he was an informant (redacted, possibly “handlers”)

I don't know about all this man. Wasn't it Flemmi himself who gave up Salemme back in 72? He was the one meeting with him at Central Park once a week, and didn't Salemme get pinched like a week after Stevie took off for Montreal? It seems a massive stretch to think that if Manocchio was an informant that his handler would just give him the identity of other informants. I mean Jesus Christ that would be a big deal, a massive breach of protocol. Who else was doing that other than Connolly in his dealings with Flemmi and Bulger? Maybe Baby Shanks was telling Frank that Stevie is no good because, gee I don't know, he'd been a gangster for 30+ years at that point and never did any time? Riding around all day with a guy who also hadn't been arrested for 30 years (while all the guys around them got busted), a guy who was already accused by the Globe of being an informant? Not to mention the fact that Stevie skated on the same charge that Salemme got 30 years for lol.

After the shit I've learned from this forum there really isn't any wiseguy who would completely shock me if it came out that they were dry snitching (except a guy like Gotti or Chin), but this accusation seems weak to me.

If Mannochio did that obviously it could have been a power play to take the spot. If he was a long time informant they wouldn’t have had a hard on for him and indicted him when he was 80 something. Maybe I’m wrong I always found why would a boss be a ci? They want the boss for the headlines what’s he gonna give up his underlings and they let him walk? Again the Salemme thing could be true as a power play but long time I doubt

Man all these guys could have been ratting on each other at various times over the years. There seemed to be a ton of that in New England. When I read that back I think I was too harsh on the theory that Manocchio could have been an informant. How much time did he do over the years? I don't know, I know he caught that case when he was in his 80s. For all we know he could have been dropping info back in the 70s or 80s. Maybe he had a guardian angel watching out for him when he was on the lam like Flemmi did. Don't forget Riccobene had his RICO case and his murder case when he was an old geezer and it never came out that he had snitched years earlier.

I guess I got my back up because it was from Flemmi lol in a world full of scumbags he is the scummiest of all. And I still have to believe that Flemmi would be the guy who got Salemme arrested back in NYC, after all the agent who "spotted" him on the street was the protege of the crooked ass agents who Stevie was in contact with the whole time.

He was on the lam for 10 years 69-79 doubt he was informing on the Lam

More drop info than don't. Louie baby whatever the fuck was on lam in some of the best ski destinations in the world in switzerland, austria, france and Chicago

According to this report https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... ch=gambino it mentions that Manocchio has gone skiing in Austria and is close to Carlo Gambino and Butch Miceli according to unknown informants.

[Pmac2]

When baby shacks was caught in like 1980ish he went to trial and got a life sentence in state court where he was sentenced to life in prison think he got a appeal in 1986 87 went right back to mafia life in Rhode island