Membership Counts, 1993

[Snakes]

I ran across some LCN membership numbers from a June, 1993 FBI report. Note that these are only concerning *identified* members:

Bonanno: 88
Buffalo: 49
Chicago (including Rockford): 48
Cleveland: 7
Colombo: 118
DeCavalcante: 33
Denver: 3
Detroit: 28
Gambino: 209
Genovese: 162
Kansas City: 20
Los Angeles: 18
Lucchese: 110
Milwaukee: 14
New England: 64
New Orleans: 2
Philadelphia: 59
Pittsburgh: 11
Pittston (Bufalino): 15
Rochester: 32
San Francisco: 4
San Jose: 10
St. Louis: 10
Tampa: 10
Tucson: 2

TOTAL: 1,125

Included in those numbers are incarcerated members, which are as follows:

Bonanno: 10
Buffalo: 1
Chicago: 9
Cleveland: 3
Colombo: 19
DeCavalcante: 3
Denver: 1
Detroit: 1
Gambino: 24
Genovese: 16
Kansas City: 5
Los Angeles: 0
Lucchese: 20
Milwaukee: 0
New England: 27
New Orleans: 0
Philadelphia: 27
Pittsburgh: 2
Pittston (Bufalino): 1
Rochester: 13
San Francisco: 0
San Jose: 0
St. Louis: 2
Tampa: 0
Tucson: 0

TOTAL: 184

[Wiseguy]

Very interesting. Nothing stands out as completely unexpected. Appears the Genovese family still hadn't filled all those empty slots Gotti mentioned to Chin. And the Bonannos were still in the gutter. A few families a little bigger or smaller than expected.

For the record, the national membership is around 800 now.

[Snakes]

Very interesting. Nothing stands out as completely unexpected. Appears the Genovese family still hadn't filled all those empty slots Gotti mentioned to Chin. And the Bonannos were still in the gutter. A few families a little bigger than expected.

For the record, the national membership is around 800 now.

It should also be noted that the numbers may be undercounted due to some members being unidentified. I would think that a family as secretive as the Genovese would have less accurate identifications than other families.

[Snakes]

Also, was Rochester ever identified by the Commission as a separate family? Or were they just an offshoot of Buffalo with some rogue members attempting to break away? It appears they are recognized as an independent family here but I'm not sure if this was information that was later refuted.

[Wiseguy]

Also, was Rochester ever identified by the Commission as a separate family? Or were they just an offshoot of Buffalo with some rogue members attempting to break away? It appears they are recognized as an independent family here but I'm not sure if this was information that was later refuted.

I think I recall Capeci saying they never technically got Commission approval but they broke off anyway and functioned as their own family. It seems the feds considered them a separate organization.

[FriendofHenry]

Other than the Forum's latest Pittsburgh Troll I maybe the only one to ask about Pittsburgh's 11+2.
Only because I hate to assume, does this June 1993 FBI report only include members that were alive in 1993?

[Snakes]

Other than the Forum's latest Pittsburgh Troll I maybe the only one to ask about Pittsburgh's 11+2.
Only because I hate to assume, does this June 1993 FBI report only include members that were alive in 1993?

That is correct.

[FriendofHenry]

Thank you.

[Snakes]

Other than the Forum's latest Pittsburgh Troll I maybe the only one to ask about Pittsburgh's 11+2.
Only because I hate to assume, does this June 1993 FBI report only include members that were alive in 1993?

Still going through the reports but Pittsburgh has:

Dominic Aduitori
Frank Amato, Jr.
John Bazzano, Jr.
[Redacted]
Pasquale Ferruccio (IP)
Michael Genovese
Charles Imburgia
Charles Porter (IP)
Antonio Ripepi
James Salamone
[Redacted]

[joeycigars]

Wow Philly was stronger than I thought , Very close to 3 NY families in numbers, 86 made guys in 1993 , after a few wars, I always thought 50-60 tops in 93

[Snakes]

Wow Philly was stronger than I thought , Very close to 3 NY families in numbers, 86 made guys in 1993 , after a few wars, I always thought 50-60 tops in 93

The incarcerated numbers are included in the membership estimates, so they had 59 total members with 27 incarcerated, leaving 32 on the streets (but not necessarily still active).

[Wiseguy]

Wow Philly was stronger than I thought , Very close to 3 NY families in numbers, 86 made guys in 1993 , after a few wars, I always thought 50-60 tops in 93

The incarcerated numbers are included in the membership estimates, so they had 59 total members with 27 incarcerated, leaving 32 on the streets (but not necessarily still active).

Yeah, membership shot up during the Scarfo years but a lot of guys went to prison afterward.

[joeycigars]

Wow Philly was stronger than I thought , Very close to 3 NY families in numbers, 86 made guys in 1993 , after a few wars, I always thought 50-60 tops in 93

The incarcerated numbers are included in the membership estimates, so they had 59 total members with 27 incarcerated, leaving 32 on the streets (but not necessarily still active).

Ok I thought that was a lot ,I see that you put that before the incarcerated, I didnt read it first time , cool to see theses thanks

[FriendofHenry]

Other than the Forum's latest Pittsburgh Troll I maybe the only one to ask about Pittsburgh's 11+2.
Only because I hate to assume, does this June 1993 FBI report only include members that were alive in 1993?

Still going through the reports but Pittsburgh has:

Dominic Aduitori
Frank Amato, Jr.
John Bazzano, Jr.
[Redacted]
Pasquale Ferruccio (IP)
Michael Genovese
Charles Imburgia
Charles Porter (IP)
Antonio Ripepi
James Salamone
[Redacted]

I'm just trying to see which of these fine fellows I actually knew that were still alive in 1993. The good always die young

[JohnnyS]

Genovese numbers make sense. They made a lot of guys in the 90s and early 2000s due to not filling open slots in the 80s and that would put them level or above the Gambinos. With the Bonannos they must have made like 60+ guys during Massino's reign.