Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

[Wiseguy]

So I’m a pretty damn good con man if I’ve been doing it this long, right ? Why haven’t I been cancelled? Why do mainstream media/entertainment outlets (Netflix, Paramount, Starz , VICE) keep hiring me to EP & consult on all their oc related content? They must not be doing their homework.huh? Maybe they could call you . Oh wait you don’t tell anyone your real names. Could be difficult to connect you to them , but I’ll sure try lol
Man,
Conning my way into all this money and prestige . It’s a glorious grift. Says nobody who reports or does journalism for a living

Scott

And all of that doesn’t make your claim about the non-existent Peter Cataldo being a top Genovese Capo or Chicago having 80 made members in 2010 or a former Associate being a longtime Consigliere and next in line to be “Syndicate Don” or any of your dozens of other ridiculous claims any less wrong.


But nice try at deflecting.


Pogo

Don't forget dozens of new guys made into the Outfit in the 2000s or Toots Caruso "planting the flag" in Indiana. Two of my personal favorites. Give Scott some more time, especially if he, Nickle, and NY put their heads together, and I can't wait to see what that braintrust comes up with in regards to Buffalo.

[HairyKnuckles]

I had to delete 20 or so posts in this thread because they are clearly breaking the rules of this forum. Do not flame another poster unless it is in the Graveyard section. And asking for somebodys identity and baiting somebody to come out is a big NONO! Seriously a big NONO!

Here is my take: Wiseguy and Pogo is debating Scott and his claims. This is fine. They are doing it respectfully. Then we have Nicklecity and newyorkempire jumping in, defending Scott and (not always but sometimes) crossing the line and being nasty. This is not acceptable according to this forums rules. How many times do I need to repeat this: USE THE GRAVEYARD SECTION IF YOU WANT TO ENGAGE IN AN INTERNET FIGHT, THROWING INSULTS AT EACHOTHER! By breaking the rules, you are disrespecting this forum, you are disrespecting the mods of this forum and you are disrespecting Soliai, the owner of this site who established the rules. You are also disrespecting the poster who started the threads you are contaminating with bullshit. If that is what you want to do, we mods and Soliai will make sure you wont be posting on here no more! Stick to the rules and use the graveyard section for insults directed at other posters.

[NickleCity]

Well if they did it wouldn’t have anything to do with you? You can’t control the internet or what people want to speak about. Its really bizarre that you have to argue with everyone all the time cause you don’t like what they talk about.

You talk like I'm always the one starting these arguments and that's usually not the case.

Wiseguy, I may be wrong but it appears you interject your opinion and framework for understanding the mob and expect no one to debate you. Those who argue with you in these threads often don’t accept some of your premises or conclusions. IMHO if you bring your premises and conclusions you are starting the debate argument and people can and should be allowed to argue their point of view against yours.

[pat_marcy]

So we have organised crime in buffalo being committed by Italians. A reputed boss, an underboss recorded in a wiretap saying he’s been made underboss and beat 30 guys. We have others on trial who have told people that they are made and also other crimes being committed by people with historic ties to made members. I’m sure there’s more to it but from that I’d say any reasonable person could take from that, that there’s a functioning family in the city. It’s hardly a big jump to go from all that to there being a functioning family.
That aside if people want to speculate that there’s a family and discuss rumours and whatnot then that’s down to them. Absolutely no harm to anyone on this site if people choose to do that.
I like what nicklecity posts as I’m sure others do and I’m big enough and ugly enough to decide myself whether I want to believe it or come to the same conclusions he has.

[scott22]

Wiseguy ,

So Mike Sarno didn’t make a bunch of his guys and those guys don’t have the power now out of Cicero? Is that your argument against my Chicago reporting ?

And you are saying the South Side crew didn’t reestablish outfit rackets in NW Indiana?

So in your opinion , I’m making both of those stories up?

Just trying to be clear . Tell me your thoughts on Louie Rainone please ? So he’s not the leader of this Sarno bunch ? Or I conjured him out of thin air ?

[scott22]

Furthermore, it’s not Nickle or nyempire who got out of line in this thread . It was wiseguy , pogo and Sonny .


I can GUARANTEE this entire board , if people acted towards any other public figure /author/ reporter on here the way they act towards me , the moderators wouldn’t tolerate it .

But for me , hey , why act like decent human beings and try to have a professional, non libelous conversation? Instead , let’s just let people attack people s character and try to undermine their reputation , careers and livelihoods .

Sounds about right .


I’ll own it tho . I get mysejf into the ring . I’ll also say that’s why other authors /journalists / reporters don’t come on here or if they do they stay quiet & don’t contribute . Why would they ?

Scott

[Pogo The Clown]

Furthermore, it’s not Nickle or nyempire who got out of line in this thread . It was wiseguy , pogo and Sonny .

You’re kidding right? The guys whole schtick is personal attacks and acting tough.

I can GUARANTEE this entire board , if people acted towards any other public figure /author/ reporter on here the way they act towards me , the moderators wouldn’t tolerate it .

Again are you kidding me? Mob authors, reporters, mob prosecutors and judges are regularly criticized/attacked on here. Christ Dave Schratwieser’s forum nickname is “Mayo Face”. If anything you get more consideration and leeway that authors like Phil
Carlo and William Balsamo never got on the forums. Not to mention podcasters like that Nadu guy.


Pogo

[NickleCity]

Furthermore, it’s not Nickle or nyempire who got out of line in this thread . It was wiseguy , pogo and Sonny .

You’re kidding right? The guys whole schtick is personal attacks and acting tough.

I know pogo and Wiseguy didn’t accuse me of this, but since I am included I’d like to mention that not sure how I’ve ever crossed a line, attacked you and Wiseguy, or got nasty with you. I guess there could have been a time since I got her in 2018, but I’ve tried to go out of my way to be civil in my disagreements with your positions.

[Stroccos]

does anyone know if Paul Hot dog is related to the geraces ?

[HairyKnuckles]

I had to delete 20 or so posts in this thread because they are clearly breaking the rules of this forum. Do not flame another poster unless it is in the Graveyard section. And asking for somebodys identity and baiting somebody to come out is a big NONO! Seriously a big NONO!

Here is my take: Wiseguy and Pogo is debating Scott and his claims. This is fine. They are doing it respectfully. Then we have Nicklecity and newyorkempire jumping in, defending Scott and (not always but sometimes) crossing the line and being nasty. This is not acceptable according to this forums rules. How many times do I need to repeat this: USE THE GRAVEYARD SECTION IF YOU WANT TO ENGAGE IN AN INTERNET FIGHT, THROWING INSULTS AT EACHOTHER! By breaking the rules, you are disrespecting this forum, you are disrespecting the mods of this forum and you are disrespecting Soliai, the owner of this site who established the rules. You are also disrespecting the poster who started the threads you are contaminating with bullshit. If that is what you want to do, we mods and Soliai will make sure you wont be posting on here no more! Stick to the rules and use the graveyard section for insults directed at other posters.

I need to add that this does not apply to Nicklecity. If Nicklecity feels offended by my post above I apologize 100 times. Nicklecity has never been disrespectful during discussions with Pogo. So my bad. NC, when you go out to grab a beer, tell the bartender to put in on HairyKnuckles tab.

[scott22]

Schrarwieser isn’t on here .nobody’s ever written anything directed at him personally just ad hominin attacks about him.

I talk to Dave every day . He’d eat you guys for breakfast and if you were in the same space , saying this type of stuff , he’d go ballistic and confront you .

I can set This up . I’ll bring Dave on here , you can call him mayo face and question his integrity as a reporter,

you down ? Let’s see how that goes.

Scott

[Pogo The Clown]

Schrarwieser isn’t on here .nobody’s ever written anything directed at him personally just ad hominin attacks about him.
I talk to Dave every day . He’d eat you guys for breakfast and if you were in the same space , saying this type of stuff , he’d go ballistic and confront you .

I can set This up . I’ll bring Dave on here , you can call him mayo face and question his integrity as a reporter,

you down ? Let’s see how that goes.

Scott

First: You brought up other public figures, authors and reporters and how they get treated to somehow paint yourself in unique position. I’m simply pointing out that you are not treated any worse than anyone else in that category and in most cases far better.


Second: I never called Schratwieser that and I’m almost certain Wiseguy never has either. Nor have I questioned his reporting. So your point is moot.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

@Scott.

Stop crying victim. You make outrageous claims, most of which never pan out, so people call you on it and lack trust in your 'reporting'.

You then cry about slander, personal attacks, victim etc etc.

99% of your claims are never substantiated. You get called on them, you then cry victim.

Personal has nothing to do with it.

[Wiseguy]

Wiseguy, I may be wrong but it appears you interject your opinion and framework for understanding the mob and expect no one to debate you. Those who argue with you in these threads often don’t accept some of your premises or conclusions. IMHO if you bring your premises and conclusions you are starting the debate argument and people can and should be allowed to argue their point of view against yours.

I never said they couldn't. In fact, it's usually others basically telling me to shut up and stop arguing my points in these debates. Or to make my point and then move on without any follow up. While I can obviously debate until hell freezes over, I'm not one to stifle discussion.

So we have organised crime in buffalo being committed by Italians. A reputed boss, an underboss recorded in a wiretap saying he’s been made underboss and beat 30 guys. We have others on trial who have told people that they are made and also other crimes being committed by people with historic ties to made members. I’m sure there’s more to it but from that I’d say any reasonable person could take from that, that there’s a functioning family in the city. It’s hardly a big jump to go from all that to there being a functioning family.
That aside if people want to speculate that there’s a family and discuss rumours and whatnot then that’s down to them. Absolutely no harm to anyone on this site if people choose to do that.
I like what nicklecity posts as I’m sure others do and I’m big enough and ugly enough to decide myself whether I want to believe it or come to the same conclusions he has.

Did you miss the part where there is good reason to be skeptical of Violi's "30 guys" comment or are you just choosing to ignore it?

Did you miss the part where several examples of other defunct families were given, matching much of the same criteria that you mentioned above, or are just choosing to ignore it?

Wiseguy ,

So Mike Sarno didn’t make a bunch of his guys and those guys don’t have the power now out of Cicero? Is that your argument against my Chicago reporting ?

I don't believe for a minute that Sarno made dozens of guys like you claim. The steady decline of Outfit membership is well documented. It was at 30 made guys at most around the time of Family Secrets, many of whom have died since then, and its absurd to think they nearly doubled that at all, let alone in a few years time. You're doing with Chicago what you've done with Detroit for years.

And you are saying the South Side crew didn’t reestablish outfit rackets in NW Indiana?

Not only has the South Side crew not really shown much activity even within its Chicago territory for quite a while now, I think it's becoming questionable how much of that crew is even left and hasn't (or won't) merge with Cicero the way it seems Elmwood Park has (or will) merge with Grand Avenue. So the idea that they're bucking the trend and expanding back into NW Indiana seems classic Burnstein.

Just trying to be clear . Tell me your thoughts on Louie Rainone please ? So he’s not the leader of this Sarno bunch ? Or I conjured him out of thin air ?

My guess is you've done what you've done in the past - take a basic element of truth and give it the Burnstein treatment. The Rainones are hardly unknown within those circles but, if Louis Rainone (which there's really no evidence is even made) is running the crew for Sarno, that speaks volumes. Bottomline, it's been evident to me for a long time that you will just plug guys into certain spots in order to flesh out a family.

Second: I never called Schratwieser that and I’m almost certain Wiseguy never has either. Nor have I questioned his reporting. So your point is moot.


Pogo

I don't recall saying much of anything about Schratweiser except maybe he needs to lay off the Peppermint Schnapps. His face gets more red every time I see him.

[NickleCity]

@Scott

99% of your claims are never substantiated. You get called on them, you then cry victim.

I’m going assume that hyperbole is your intended purpose with this comment. If not I want to inform you that I believe you to be sadly mistaken.