Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:32 am
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:05 amLike Wiseguy, Pogo, I wish instead of beating the dead horse of If Buffalo exist, you would tackle those questions, again, focus on the Violis.
I mean, Pogo you seem to not even want to concede that they were big in drug trafficking, you keep trying to make it seem like their Narcotics clout comes from an association with NY, at the same time Wiseguy will argue the New Yorkers are marginalized in drugs, it makes my head hurt....
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:26 amOkay, have you actually seen this before?
Violi was previously convicted in 1999 of mischief under $5,000. In 1996, he was convicted of conspiracy to commit an indictable offence and sentenced to seven years and 10 months for conspiring to smuggle cocaine.
From the best info I can gather, this guy has been importing cocaine for close to 25 years. He said he introduced crack cocaine to Hamilton. Why do you try to frame it like some isolated incident? I really dont get it...
I understand the Buffalo isnt viable argument, but arguing the Violis arnt major drug traffickers.... at a loss for words, lol
And why would drug trafficking in Hamilton show up in a New York state drug report?
I have no idea what "mischief under $5,000" is or why that's relevant to Violi's history of drug trafficking. So, he was convicted of conspiracy to smuggle cocaine in 1996. And then, he's busted for drug trafficking in 2017. Does that sum it up? Becuase, unless I'm missing something, two busts bookending a span of 20 years isn't a lot of information. It simply provides a void to assume he has been moving mountains of drugs that entire time.
Let me explain this as clearly as possible so your head doesn't hurt. What constitutes a "major drug trafficker" is relative. The New York families have been marginalized in the drug trade by other groups who have had a larger role in it for the last few decades. Primarily Colombian, Mexican, and Dominican DTOs. Also Asian DTOs to a lesser extent. However, the NY families still move significant amounts of drugs and, when we look at the 2017 drug bust, one can't make the assumption that Violi was the 400 lbs gorilla in the operation. Make sense?
lol, What constitutes a major drug traffickers is one who has direct access to the source countries, has a means of importation and transport, and reliable wholesalers and distributors. Which is what they had... Are you trolling? I'm dead ass serious right now...
If you establish a dominant position in one aspect, you are a major player. Two, you are a king, all three a King of Kings, and if you are a master money launderer, well your a God in the underworld, lol.....
I dont get how a guy as smart as you dont get the simple economics of the trade. Mexico, 10 a kilo. Costa Rica, 10 a kilo. Wholesale in Chicago, L.A., 25 a kilo. Canada, wholesale, 35 a kilo. Europe wholesale, 22,500 a kilo. Direct from Colombia, between 5-6 a kilo. THESE margins put you ahead of anyone that's not the Mexicans, and the Dominicans are mostly confined to the NY area, east coast. They dont travel to Canada from what I know.....
And again, what does NY have to do with the Violis being big in coke? It's almost like you are saying, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, LOL
That the Violis CANT be big in coke bacause the NY families arnt? And if they arnt big in it, there is NO way the Violis are? Is that what you are saying?
Wiseguy, its nothing, NOTHING for a consortium of capos to get together, pool some money, find a broker, and organize a load of coke. Like.... what?
antimafia has repeatedly pointed out to me that there are many coke importers in Canada...
If they were marginalized, it was by their Siciliancousins who cut them out......
