Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

[Moscone65]

When and where did violi say most members were in the US?

Translated from this French article posted earlier in this thread. Still you don't need Violi to know that the majority of the membership is in the US. Even at the peak of the family Hamilton was a small outpost with only a small fraction of the family's membership.

As number two in the organization, some 30 Mafiosi are now under his command, mainly in the United States, but also in Hamilton, says Domenico Violi.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/11 ... ppe-drogue

I think that’s miss information. There’s no transcripts available to the public of violi saying that.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Most of the remaining membership is in Buffalo (not Canada) and they can be counted on two hands. Mostly in their 70s and 80s.

You just assume this is true.

The official underboss literally said to another made member they had '30 guys' (+/- 2). You can go with that 'passing comment' bullshit all you want but just because you deem it to be doesn't mean it is. It's not like you heard the tape and interpreted the context which would put you in a better position to deem it a 'passing comment' you just read the words off a computer screen like the rest of us so can you blame me and whoever else for believing the words that literally came out of the underbosses mouth over what you assume to be a 'passing comment'?

Good post.

It’s been posted several times by myself how easily the Buffalo family could be at 30 odd members, in a variety of circumstances and fashions.

We have the verbatim quotes of an official underboss who’s either outright making things up, or he’s not.

That people on here would dismiss this outright, and jump through hoops to do so, speaks more to themselves pursuing their narrative than others who are looking at evidence without one.

[Moscone65]

30 is a strange number to make a passing comment about... why not 50 or 100....

[Pogo The Clown]

I think that’s miss information. There’s no transcripts available to the public of violi saying that.

There are no transcripts available to the public period. We've only seen a few quotes that appeared in that one article. Regardless you don't need it to know that the majority of the membership has always been in the US.


Pogo

[Moscone65]

Typically a passing comment of exaggeration would go like this, “ya Vito, Minchia I jumped over like a hundred guys to get this spot, Joe told me personally.”

[Moscone65]

I think that’s miss information. There’s no transcripts available to the public of violi saying that.

There are no transcripts available to the public period. We've only seen a few quotes that appeared in that one article. Regardless you don't need it to know that the majority of the membership has always been in the US.


Pogo

If it’s true that the Luppino family and (whatever is left) of the papalia group are part of buffalo, why can’t there be more guys or an almost equal amount in Canada? If Authorities consider the Luppino group an active “family” then it can be assumed it has more than 2 or 3 guys

[SonnyBlackstein]

I think that’s miss information. There’s no transcripts available to the public of violi saying that.

There are no transcripts available to the public period. We've only seen a few quotes that appeared in that one article. Regardless you don't need it to know that the majority of the membership has always been in the US.


Pogo

If it’s true that the Luppino family and (whatever is left) of the papalia group are part of buffalo, why can’t there be more guys or an almost equal amount in Canada? If Authorities consider the Luppino group an active “family” then it can be assumed it has more than 2 or 3 guys

I’m sure Pogo and Wiseguy can find some excuse, likely without any base, to solve this logical reasoning.

[Pogo The Clown]

Yeah I'm really struggling to find an excuse to counter Moscone's "why cant's" and "assumed". Silly me for putting more weight into what the head of the Buffalo FBI said in 2017 or what former prosecutors (guys who you know actually investigated Buffalo for years) said in 2019. I should have known that it was you guys who figured it all out all along.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

Good post.

It’s been posted several times by myself how easily the Buffalo family could be at 30 odd members, in a variety of circumstances and fashions.

We have the verbatim quotes of an official underboss who’s either outright making things up, or he’s not.

That people on here would dismiss this outright, and jump through hoops to do so, speaks more to themselves pursuing their narrative than others who are looking at evidence without one.

Your theory (and very generous math) of how they could have bounced back to over 30 doesn't hold water.

Let's go through it again.

Sticking with the known facts, the family dropped from 45 members in 1989 to 23 members in 2006. That's a clear drop in numbers.

But wait, we're not done. At least 10 known members died from 2006 to 2017 when Violi made his 30 member comment. That would leave 13 guys left.

So, we're supposed to believe a family like Buffalo made nearly 20 guys over a decade? After not making anywhere those numbers for years. Suddenly they find the wherewithal and manpower to go on this massive recruiting drive? In the 21st century?

This just doesn't happen.

[Confederate]

I think that’s miss information. There’s no transcripts available to the public of violi saying that.

There are no transcripts available to the public period. We've only seen a few quotes that appeared in that one article. Regardless you don't need it to know that the majority of the membership has always been in the US.


Pogo

Why would the F.B.I. deny the existence of the Buffalo Mafia Family? Would it not be to their advantage to acknowledge the Family if it truly existed as a 30 plus Family (the majority in Buffalo) in order to get funding and job security? Has the F.B.I ever purposely denied the existence of any Mafia Family in America previously to your knowledge? Why would Buffalo be the exception?
I see no logical reason for the Buffalo F.B.I. to purposely not acknowledge the existence of the Buffalo Family. Do you?
I guess it all boils down to either believing the Tape of Violi and taking it literally or believing the Feds.

[Moscone65]

Oh ya the feds like bongiovanni who intentionally tried to prevent investigations into buffalo organized crime figures and who may have other buddies doing something similar

[Moscone65]

You guys give these guys too much credit. If you notice they go after easy cases like the brokester crews In nyc, merlino, or any of the brain dead morons in Springfield. What about the current Gambino admin, or Barney “the ghost” Bellomo? Seems to me they take some “Italian” morons, slap lcn on the case and they are happy, just because it’s easy.

[Pogo The Clown]

Why would the F.B.I. deny the existence of the Buffalo Mafia Family? Would it not be to their advantage to acknowledge the Family if it truly existed as a 30 plus Family (the majority in Buffalo) in order to get funding and job security? Has the F.B.I ever purposely denied the existence of any Mafia Family in America previously to your knowledge? Why would Buffalo be the exception?
I see no logical reason for the Buffalo F.B.I. to purposely not acknowledge the existence of the Buffalo Family. Do you?
I guess it all boils down to either believing the Tape of Violi and taking it literally or believing the Feds.

Correct they wouldn't. In fact it is the opposite. There is that video with Coppola recounting conversations with several LE officials in the late 1990s about his article on the death of the Buffalo mob. How they didn't like it and how they were pretty much propping the mob up so as not to be reassigned from their current cushy jobs. So as early as the late 1990s Buffalo was on its last legs and LE was artificially hyping them up.


Pogo

[Lupara]

Why would the F.B.I. deny the existence of the Buffalo Mafia Family? Would it not be to their advantage to acknowledge the Family if it truly existed as a 30 plus Family (the majority in Buffalo) in order to get funding and job security? Has the F.B.I ever purposely denied the existence of any Mafia Family in America previously to your knowledge? Why would Buffalo be the exception?
I see no logical reason for the Buffalo F.B.I. to purposely not acknowledge the existence of the Buffalo Family. Do you?
I guess it all boils down to either believing the Tape of Violi and taking it literally or believing the Feds.

Correct they wouldn't. In fact it is the opposite. There is that video with Coppola recounting conversations with several LE officials in the late 1990s about his article on the death of the Buffalo mob. How they didn't like it and how they were pretty much propping the mob up so as not to be reassigned from their current cushy jobs. So as early as the late 1990s Buffalo was on its last legs and LE was artificially hyping them up.


Pogo

Different times, like before 9/11.

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[CabriniGreen]

So what was special about 2015, that Dom Violi was made then, and not sooner?

No one else thinks Zummo was trying to set up a better line to the coke? Through the Violis?

Also, do the Violis control the smuggling routes through the Indian reservation? The Augustino-Albanese were paying them a tax, for what? The product, or the territory, or the routes? The Violis don't control Montreal, so it must be either the product, or routes, no?

The Violis guys, like Massamilliano Carfagna, is that it? Are they made?

Who told Dom Violi about the Musitano hits.... And by extension who ordered them? Do we think the Rizzutos ordered the hits, then told the Violis? Probably not, right? So who, then? How do they connect to Serrano, and the Barberi hits?

We're the Violis in with the Scoppa clan? When Violi said, all the old divisions are gone, did he expect the Scoppas to take over imminently?

Is the Wolfpack, even still the Wolfpack?