General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Patrickgold]

It's pretty incredible these guys getting together. Wonder if they have an actual connection or Merlino and co reached out simply because. Does it seem like they are familiar or just meeting?

Scalise seemed pretty comfortable around Merlino, but this guy was also a "technical advisor" for a film, so it's not surprising that he was a little more talkative than Bellavia. It wouldn't surprise me if Scalise had some media contacts from that time that he used to connect with Merlino but that's total speculation on my part. Bellavia did have a more dangerous aura about him that came out when he was talking about his case. Like, "I wouldn't want to owe this guy money 40 years ago" vibe.

Scalise is very articulate and you can tell he has a high IQ. I have been told that Alex Dana made the introduction between Merlino and Scalise and Bellavia. Scalise and Bellavia obviously know Dana from Taylor street. Merlino had previously talked about having Dana on his show. They know each other from the South Florida scene. Dana recently opened a Rosebud down there and I think he even filmed an episode there. I have not watched this new episode yet, but I did think when Merlino started this podcast that Bellavia would be a perfect person to interview bc of how he got really screwed by the Feds with all the time he got despite not being convicted of the murder. Merlino likes talking about how the Feds are cheats and liars.

[NorthBuffalo]

Yeah, the dart story was funny. They stole a dart gun from the zoo, ostensibly to use in crimes. They tested it on "hobos" but all it did was sent them running down the street with the dart stuck in them so they'd have to chase them down to get it back lol

I really think when Scalise said 'we are the last of the 42s' he's giving a nod to being the last of the 'Outfit' - or at least what it was - that's my view. He is really well-spoken and his remarks on Esposito and Capone were even interesting - bc you know some of this stuff is what he's heard from real guys, not read online like us.

He sounds like he knows the history, but it seems like a Wikipedia-level of history, if you know what I mean. Like how every Outfit guy in the Giancana-era was a 42

Scalise was born in 1937 in that neighborhood - I kind of give him the benefit of the doubt and wonder if he was affiliated with whatever remnants of that gang were still going into the 40s and 50s. He knew that Joe Esposito organized them when they were young kids (which I believe is true). The stories about guys taking Capone's money for example I felt were things he's been told in-person by guys. He was definitely around guys like Ferrriola, Carlisi and Aiuppa and Cerone etc. at various points.

[NorthBuffalo]

A good source of mine identified someone interesting in the photo with Bellavia and Tony Ducks: Anthony Pipito out of Milwaukee, who I am not familiar with but that's another interesting midwest connection. I also think Gerry Langella is in that photo.

Also I do hope Scalise gets that book written - hell a few of you guys could write that and help him put the pieces together. We should pitch him.

[Patrickgold]

A good source of mine identified someone interesting in the photo with Bellavia and Tony Ducks: Anthony Pipito out of Milwaukee, who I am not familiar with but that's another interesting midwest connection. I also think Gerry Langella is in that photo.

Also I do hope Scalise gets that book written - hell a few of you guys could write that and help him put the pieces together. We should pitch him.

Is there a prison photo of the three? I have seen the attached photo with Pippito and Tony Ducks but none with Bellavia

[NorthBuffalo]

A good source of mine identified someone interesting in the photo with Bellavia and Tony Ducks: Anthony Pipito out of Milwaukee, who I am not familiar with but that's another interesting midwest connection. I also think Gerry Langella is in that photo.

Also I do hope Scalise gets that book written - hell a few of you guys could write that and help him put the pieces together. We should pitch him.

Is there a prison photo of the three? I have seen the attached photo with Pippito and Tony Ducks but none with Bellavia

The photo was shown during the Patreon - I would hope those begin circulating somewhere. Looks like same timeframe - do you know if this photo was in Springfield? I don't know which one Pippito is just that my source knew him from being out of Milwaukee. Kind of interesting milwaukee mob guys were even around prisons like this in the early 90s.

[Ivan]

new Kurt Calabrese interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4j7XUBniM

[Patrickgold]

A good source of mine identified someone interesting in the photo with Bellavia and Tony Ducks: Anthony Pipito out of Milwaukee, who I am not familiar with but that's another interesting midwest connection. I also think Gerry Langella is in that photo.

Also I do hope Scalise gets that book written - hell a few of you guys could write that and help him put the pieces together. We should pitch him.

Is there a prison photo of the three? I have seen the attached photo with Pippito and Tony Ducks but none with Bellavia

The photo was shown during the Patreon - I would hope those begin circulating somewhere. Looks like same timeframe - do you know if this photo was in Springfield? I don't know which one Pippito is just that my source knew him from being out of Milwaukee. Kind of interesting milwaukee mob guys were even around prisons like this in the early 90s.

He’s the tall guy in back. Not sure where it was taken at. I do know in late 90s Pippito was in Rochester for cancer treatment.

[RushStreet]

Who here believes that it was actually Rocco Infelise who ran things while Solly D was second in command? Solly became acting boss after Rocco was sentenced to prison for life.

Agree or disagree?

Rocco may be one of the most underrated bosses in history in my honest opinion. That man was the last of the Mohicans in my opinion and the Outfit was never the same once he was gone.

[Patrickgold]

Who here believes that it was actually Rocco Infelise who ran things while Solly D was second in command? Solly became acting boss after Rocco was sentenced to prison for life.

Agree or disagree?

Rocco may be one of the most underrated bosses in history in my honest opinion. That man was the last of the Mohicans in my opinion and the Outfit was never the same once he was gone.

I don’t agree with that theory at all since none of the informants have made that claim which include guys that would know, Scarpelli, Patrick and Calabrese. Carlisi was boss during that time.

[Patrickgold]

A good source of mine identified someone interesting in the photo with Bellavia and Tony Ducks: Anthony Pipito out of Milwaukee, who I am not familiar with but that's another interesting midwest connection. I also think Gerry Langella is in that photo.

Also I do hope Scalise gets that book written - hell a few of you guys could write that and help him put the pieces together. We should pitch him.

Is there a prison photo of the three? I have seen the attached photo with Pippito and Tony Ducks but none with Bellavia

The photo was shown during the Patreon - I would hope those begin circulating somewhere. Looks like same timeframe - do you know if this photo was in Springfield? I don't know which one Pippito is just that my source knew him from being out of Milwaukee. Kind of interesting milwaukee mob guys were even around prisons like this in the early 90s.

I do not think think Pippito was made but I’m no expert on Milwaukee. I guess it’s not that uncommon for guys that are connected associates to be hanging out with made guys and bosses in prison. The group is small and every person counts. Pippito seems to be the last of the active street guys in Milwaukee. He was dealing a lot of drugs but I’m not sure if any of that drug dealing was directly linked to Balistrieri. Him and Basile got sent away for a long time. Basile was released and died a couple of years ago.

Also, I do not believe Bellavia was made. The fact that he is doing podcasts and interview makes me believe that but who knows.

[Snakes]

Who here believes that it was actually Rocco Infelise who ran things while Solly D was second in command? Solly became acting boss after Rocco was sentenced to prison for life.

Agree or disagree?

Rocco may be one of the most underrated bosses in history in my honest opinion. That man was the last of the Mohicans in my opinion and the Outfit was never the same once he was gone.

I don’t agree with that theory at all since none of the informants have made that claim which include guys that would know, Scarpelli, Patrick and Calabrese. Carlisi was boss during that time.

Yes, Scarpelli (who reported to Infelise and would surely know) told the FBI that Carlisi was head of the Outfit.

[NorthBuffalo]

A good source of mine identified someone interesting in the photo with Bellavia and Tony Ducks: Anthony Pipito out of Milwaukee, who I am not familiar with but that's another interesting midwest connection. I also think Gerry Langella is in that photo.

Also I do hope Scalise gets that book written - hell a few of you guys could write that and help him put the pieces together. We should pitch him.

Is there a prison photo of the three? I have seen the attached photo with Pippito and Tony Ducks but none with Bellavia

The photo was shown during the Patreon - I would hope those begin circulating somewhere. Looks like same timeframe - do you know if this photo was in Springfield? I don't know which one Pippito is just that my source knew him from being out of Milwaukee. Kind of interesting milwaukee mob guys were even around prisons like this in the early 90s.

I do not think think Pippito was made but I’m no expert on Milwaukee. I guess it’s not that uncommon for guys that are connected associates to be hanging out with made guys and bosses in prison. The group is small and every person counts. Pippito seems to be the last of the active street guys in Milwaukee. He was dealing a lot of drugs but I’m not sure if any of that drug dealing was directly linked to Balistrieri. Him and Basile got sent away for a long time. Basile was released and died a couple of years ago.

Also, I do not believe Bellavia was made. The fact that he is doing podcasts and interview makes me believe that but who knows.

Knowing the Outfit its probably impossible to know. I would think Bellavia and Scalise were made given their involvement in murders alone - and many of them. Also, both were Taylor Street and that would have given them good connections likely to prominent people early on.

That said, Bellavia was essentially equal with DeLaurentis under Infelise during their heydays in Cicero if you look into that case - then later on, the the FBI made a big statement on DeLaurentis being made 'fire and brimstone' as Rocky said on tape - and strange Bellavia would not be and it seems DeLaurentis rose above him after that period.

Merlino is obviously made and talking about these things - I don't think any of these guys are talking about the Outfit and just telling old stories - and I'm sure they know what's going on in Chicago today, but are in their late 80s and just looking for some money. I think Scalise is probably trying to hype a book of sorts hopefully.

Thanks for the background on Pippito - I don't read much on Milwaukee and assumed they were long-gone by the early 90s. Interesting to see that guy in with Chicago and NYC guys.

[Coloboy]

Who here believes that it was actually Rocco Infelise who ran things while Solly D was second in command? Solly became acting boss after Rocco was sentenced to prison for life.

Agree or disagree?

Rocco may be one of the most underrated bosses in history in my honest opinion. That man was the last of the Mohicans in my opinion and the Outfit was never the same once he was gone.

There are so many direct sources, including made members, that indicated that when Aiuppa and Cerone went away, Carlisi became boss and DiFronzo became UB.

[Coloboy]

On the topic of Zizzo ….

One would assume that during this tumultuous period not long after family secrets, the higher-ups in the organization would be pretty hesitant to approve a murder. It makes me think that whatever was going on with Zizzo and his crew, it must’ve been something that threatened to break the entire outfit apart.

I’m going to operate under the assumption that even if Sarno was official boss at this time, he still would’ve had to have backing from other senior members, people like DiFronzo, Andriacchi, and Tornabene.

My running theory is that Zizzo and the remnants of the Aiuppa/Carlisi/Marcello crew went totally rogue, and that they separated themselves entirely from the administration, and were intent on just doing their own things, particularly related to video poker routes, and planned on not paying any tribute to anyone . A contract would have been approved on the basis that it was the only way to keep the organization in one piece.

A quote that sticks out in my mind from Vince Dublino in the Sarno case…. “I don’t work for you, fat ass.” This could be interpreted as they were doing whatever they wanted.

Just food for thought

[RushStreet]

On the topic of Zizzo ….

One would assume that during this tumultuous period not long after family secrets, the higher-ups in the organization would be pretty hesitant to approve a murder. It makes me think that whatever was going on with Zizzo and his crew, it must’ve been something that threatened to break the entire outfit apart.

I’m going to operate under the assumption that even if Sarno was official boss at this time, he still would’ve had to have backing from other senior members, people like DiFronzo, Andriacchi, and Tornabene.

My running theory is that Zizzo and the remnants of the Aiuppa/Carlisi/Marcello crew went totally rogue, and that they separated themselves entirely from the administration, and were intent on just doing their own things, particularly related to video poker routes, and planned on not paying any tribute to anyone . A contract would have been approved on the basis that it was the only way to keep the organization in one piece.

A quote that sticks out in my mind from Vince Dublino in the Sarno case…. “I don’t work for you, fat ass.” This could be interpreted as they were doing whatever they wanted.

Just food for thought

So you think that Zizzo decided to just run away and because of that, he had to make the decision that it meant cutting ties with everyone including his wife from knowing where he disappeared to? He probably more than likely passed away by now of natural causes since it happened back in 2006.