General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Camo]

I always wonder if Joey Aiuppa and Jack Cerone watched Casino as they were out by 95 and died a few years later. Same with Vic Spilotro who died in 96. You got a major hollywood film that at the time was all over everything - and the mob genre at that time was still somewhat new (it was basically Goodfellas and Casino at that time...)...you gotta believe at least one of those names watched the movie.

I also wonder if those are the guys who prevented Chicago and real names from being used. I know Goodfellas had some real LCN involvement - I wonder if Chicago ever had a 'talk' with Scorcesse or Pileggi...

He changed the names in Goodfellas too though, Paul Vario becomes Paul Cicero, Jimmy Burke becomes Jimmy Conway, Tommy DeSimeone becomes Tommy DeVito. Think it's pretty much just the Hills and "Mikey Franzese" who keep their real names lol.

[Ivan]

He changed the names in Goodfellas too though, Paul Vario becomes Paul Cicero, Jimmy Burke becomes Jimmy Conway, Tommy DeSimeone becomes Tommy DeVito. Think it's pretty much just the Hills and "Mikey Franzese" who keep their real names lol.

Also Anthony Stabile for some reason.

They were going to use the real names in Goodfellas but Kathy Burke (Jimmy's daughter) showed up and started making demands. Henry Hill has talked about this a bit.

[Camo]

He changed the names in Goodfellas too though, Paul Vario becomes Paul Cicero, Jimmy Burke becomes Jimmy Conway, Tommy DeSimeone becomes Tommy DeVito. Think it's pretty much just the Hills and "Mikey Franzese" who keep their real names lol.

Also Anthony Stabile for some reason.

They were going to use the real names in Goodfellas but Kathy Burke (Jimmy's daughter) showed up and started making demands. Henry Hill has talked about this a bit.

Yeah, the idea that it was the Mafia intimidating Scorsese is silly. All it would take was the threat of a lawsuit from a relative and they'd change them to avoid the headache.

[NorthBuffalo]

Reading the comments on Facebook from Gigi Capri's video with Steve Mortorano for his Capri Ristorante. Most engaged comment says 'Stuffed Peppers and Steroids.' So many comments calling this guy a sex offender and just trolling - I see trolling on Merlino and other accounts, but not like this. I really don't get why these mob guys think putting themselves out there and getting trolled by strangers is a good idea.

[Aunt+Baby]

On a lighter and immensely more appropriate note…

Anyone else find it totally wild that no one from the old Elmwood Park Crew ever did any real prison time? Those guys truly had that town on lockdown. One has to wonder if it’s still the same today. Skip Saviano is still town president right?

[Cosmik_Debris]

On a lighter and immensely more appropriate note…

Anyone else find it totally wild that no one from the old Elmwood Park Crew ever did any real prison time? Those guys truly had that town on lockdown. One has to wonder if it’s still the same today. Skip Saviano is still town president right?

Cerone and WIllie Messino both did some pretty serious time.

[Aunt+Baby]

On a lighter and immensely more appropriate note…

Anyone else find it totally wild that no one from the old Elmwood Park Crew ever did any real prison time? Those guys truly had that town on lockdown. One has to wonder if it’s still the same today. Skip Saviano is still town president right?

Cerone and WIllie Messino both did some pretty serious time.

True, but they’re the only ones. And both died at home

That’s really what I meant to say, is that compared to the rest of the prolific Mafia crews in the US, I don’t think one made guy from that crew got life. Which is astounding

[NorthBuffalo]

Not that mob related but this is an interview with a guy I know - Sam Aiuppa, nephew of Joey O'Brien who recently retired from Local 110, which was the Outfit's relatives union basically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUvsTITQYzE

[chin_gigante]

Stop with the weird tangents. I'm going to clean up this topic later on when I've got some time.

RushStreet, you have already received a formal warning warning about taking this discussion off-topic.

[Camo]

On a lighter and immensely more appropriate note…

Anyone else find it totally wild that no one from the old Elmwood Park Crew ever did any real prison time? Those guys truly had that town on lockdown. One has to wonder if it’s still the same today. Skip Saviano is still town president right?

Cerone and WIllie Messino both did some pretty serious time.

True, but they’re the only ones. And both died at home

That’s really what I meant to say, is that compared to the rest of the prolific Mafia crews in the US, I don’t think one made guy from that crew got life. Which is astounding

I know he didn't but it's almost like Cerone got compassionate release, he was dead within a month iirc.

Definitely remarkable how few served serious time though. Seemed to be a general Chicago thing more than anything due to the extreme corruption.

[Cosmik_Debris]

On a lighter and immensely more appropriate note…

Anyone else find it totally wild that no one from the old Elmwood Park Crew ever did any real prison time? Those guys truly had that town on lockdown. One has to wonder if it’s still the same today. Skip Saviano is still town president right?

Cerone and WIllie Messino both did some pretty serious time.

True, but they’re the only ones. And both died at home

That’s really what I meant to say, is that compared to the rest of the prolific Mafia crews in the US, I don’t think one made guy from that crew got life. Which is astounding

I know he didn't but it's almost like Cerone got compassionate release, he was dead within a month iirc.

Definitely remarkable how few served serious time though. Seemed to be a general Chicago thing more than anything due to the extreme corruption.

He died 6 days after he was released. It was definitely compassionate release.

While we're on the subject, are there any pictures of Aiuppa after he was released in 1996? He looks old as hell in the 80's. I can't imagine what he looked like in the mid-90's.

[Camo]

On a lighter and immensely more appropriate note…

Anyone else find it totally wild that no one from the old Elmwood Park Crew ever did any real prison time? Those guys truly had that town on lockdown. One has to wonder if it’s still the same today. Skip Saviano is still town president right?

Cerone and WIllie Messino both did some pretty serious time.

True, but they’re the only ones. And both died at home

That’s really what I meant to say, is that compared to the rest of the prolific Mafia crews in the US, I don’t think one made guy from that crew got life. Which is astounding

I know he didn't but it's almost like Cerone got compassionate release, he was dead within a month iirc.

Definitely remarkable how few served serious time though. Seemed to be a general Chicago thing more than anything due to the extreme corruption.

He died 6 days after he was released. It was definitely compassionate release.

While we're on the subject, are there any pictures of Aiuppa after he was released in 1996? He looks old as hell in the 80's. I can't imagine what he looked like in the mid-90's.

Was it? I thought it was just coincidental timing, i thought he served his sentence.

I remember Snakes posted that someone claimed Aiuppa was trying to get a meeting with DiFronzo so he could kill Cerone when he got out. Dude looked decrepit in The Last Supper picture and that's like 20 years earlier, imagining him wheeling up to people and talking about how he wants to whack Cerone is hysterical.

[Snakes]

On a lighter and immensely more appropriate note…

Anyone else find it totally wild that no one from the old Elmwood Park Crew ever did any real prison time? Those guys truly had that town on lockdown. One has to wonder if it’s still the same today. Skip Saviano is still town president right?

Cerone and WIllie Messino both did some pretty serious time.

True, but they’re the only ones. And both died at home

That’s really what I meant to say, is that compared to the rest of the prolific Mafia crews in the US, I don’t think one made guy from that crew got life. Which is astounding

I know he didn't but it's almost like Cerone got compassionate release, he was dead within a month iirc.

Definitely remarkable how few served serious time though. Seemed to be a general Chicago thing more than anything due to the extreme corruption.

He died 6 days after he was released. It was definitely compassionate release.

While we're on the subject, are there any pictures of Aiuppa after he was released in 1996? He looks old as hell in the 80's. I can't imagine what he looked like in the mid-90's.

Was it? I thought it was just coincidental timing, i thought he served his sentence.

I remember Snakes posted that someone claimed Aiuppa was trying to get a meeting with DiFronzo so he could kill Cerone when he got out. Dude looked decrepit in The Last Supper picture and that's like 20 years earlier, imagining him wheeling up to people and talking about how he wants to whack Cerone is hysterical.

I don't think I've seen any "official" sources concerning that, but I believe it was a Fosco story.

[Aunt+Baby]

On a lighter and immensely more appropriate note…

Anyone else find it totally wild that no one from the old Elmwood Park Crew ever did any real prison time? Those guys truly had that town on lockdown. One has to wonder if it’s still the same today. Skip Saviano is still town president right?

Cerone and WIllie Messino both did some pretty serious time.

True, but they’re the only ones. And both died at home

That’s really what I meant to say, is that compared to the rest of the prolific Mafia crews in the US, I don’t think one made guy from that crew got life. Which is astounding

I know he didn't but it's almost like Cerone got compassionate release, he was dead within a month iirc.

Definitely remarkable how few served serious time though. Seemed to be a general Chicago thing more than anything due to the extreme corruption.

It’s definitely unique to Chicago and we all know why that is, as you pointed out, but the old Elmwood park hierarchy in particular just seemed immune to heavy prosecution. Al Sarno, Capezio, Gagliano, Messino, Accardo, Cerone, Marco D, all of the difronzos, etc etc etc all died in their beds. And Fratto, Dote, & Abbinanti are all free & living it up

[NorthBuffalo]

https://www.axios.com/local/chicago/202 ... rder-nbc-5

Chuck Goudie says he has solved mob boss Sam Giancana's 1975 murder
Axios Chicago
Justin Kaufmann

One of Chicago's biggest mob mysteries may be solved this week thanks to investigative reporter Chuck Goudie.

The latest: Goudie, who has been reporting on the mob for over 40 years, announced he has new evidence and will reveal the killer of one of this city's most reputed mob bosses, Sam "Momo" Giancanca.

Flashback: Giancana was the boss of Al Capone's mafia crime family "The Outfit" in the 1950s, decades after Capone made it famous. Giancana has been linked to several high-profile national and international crimes, including the assassination of JFK.

• In the 1960s, Giancana served a year for contempt of court.
  In 1975, he was murdered in his Oak Park home.
  The crime has never been solved.

What they're saying: "Just because a crime was committed 50 years ago and the police files have been gathering dust, it doesn't mean that it can't be solved," Goudie said in a statement.

"Sometimes a fresh set of eyes, new conversations with stakeholders and an interest in answering the question: 'Who killed Momo?' are incentives enough to shake loose a solution."

Zoom in: Goudie says he has gathered new information, including forensic evidence from the gun used to kill Giancana, and promises to unveil the legendary mobster's killer with his two-part series that airs Wednesday and Thursday on the NBC 5 News at 10pm.

The intrigue: Goudie was dumped by ABC-7 in January, but quickly moved up the dial to NBC 5. The longtime investigative reporter was honored last week with a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Chicago Headline Club.