General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Snakes]

He goes on to say that the "old guys [senior Outfit members] are done" because they didn't want another Family Secrets.

Interesting. Could elaborate on this? He means DiFronzo, Andriacci, D'Amico? (Pardon my ignorance again.)

Didn't mention anyone specific, but I'd assume he included Vena as he did not give permission for the murders.

Snakes, any insight on who he’s talking about the big older guy with a huge appetite that has a social club on Addison st. That guy use to be at Sally’s Pancake House on Sundays but then started going to Emmy’s. Also lives around Harlem and North, which borders River Forest. They think Frankie Q and Dimitri could possibly be meeting him. In my opinion it sounds like Joey A. Lives in River Forest, had a social club and also use to go to Sally’s Pancake House.

Not sure, but I may have missed something along the way about it.

Also, I think the idea that Elmwood Park was deactivated can be put to bed. We have evidence of Gagliano, the Cassanos, Dote, Larry Petitt, and others being active well into the new millennium and up to the present day.

[Patrickgold]

He goes on to say that the "old guys [senior Outfit members] are done" because they didn't want another Family Secrets.

Interesting. Could elaborate on this? He means DiFronzo, Andriacci, D'Amico? (Pardon my ignorance again.)

Didn't mention anyone specific, but I'd assume he included Vena as he did not give permission for the murders.

Snakes, any insight on who he’s talking about the big older guy with a huge appetite that has a social club on Addison st. That guy use to be at Sally’s Pancake House on Sundays but then started going to Emmy’s. Also lives around Harlem and North, which borders River Forest. They think Frankie Q and Dimitri could possibly be meeting him. In my opinion it sounds like Joey A. Lives in River Forest, had a social club and also use to go to Sally’s Pancake House.

Not sure, but I may have missed something along the way about it.

Also, I think the idea that Elmwood Park was deactivated can be put to bed. We have evidence of Gagliano, the Cassanos, Dote, Larry Petitt, and others being active well into the new millennium and up to the present day.

I totally agree with you on that. To many guys still around and getting busted for there to be any evidence that they were deactivated.

Actually I remember Mandell said something to the effect “we will show them what the Elmwood Park crew can do”.

How did Larry Petitt fit into the equation? You said he was mentioned by Mandell.

[Newyorkempire]

He goes on to say that the "old guys [senior Outfit members] are done" because they didn't want another Family Secrets.

Interesting. Could elaborate on this? He means DiFronzo, Andriacci, D'Amico? (Pardon my ignorance again.)

Didn't mention anyone specific, but I'd assume he included Vena as he did not give permission for the murders.

Snakes, any insight on who he’s talking about the big older guy with a huge appetite that has a social club on Addison st. That guy use to be at Sally’s Pancake House on Sundays but then started going to Emmy’s. Also lives around Harlem and North, which borders River Forest. They think Frankie Q and Dimitri could possibly be meeting him. In my opinion it sounds like Joey A. Lives in River Forest, had a social club and also use to go to Sally’s Pancake House.

Not sure, but I may have missed something along the way about it.

Also, I think the idea that Elmwood Park was deactivated can be put to bed. We have evidence of Gagliano, the Cassanos, Dote, Larry Petitt, and others being active well into the new millennium and up to the present day.

I totally agree with you on that. To many guys still around and getting busted for there to be any evidence that they were deactivated.

Actually I remember Mandell said something to the effect “we will show them what the Elmwood Park crew can do”.

How did Larry Petitt fit into the equation? You said he was mentioned by Mandell.

So the Outfit is still churning correct?

[Snakes]

He goes on to say that the "old guys [senior Outfit members] are done" because they didn't want another Family Secrets.

Interesting. Could elaborate on this? He means DiFronzo, Andriacci, D'Amico? (Pardon my ignorance again.)

Didn't mention anyone specific, but I'd assume he included Vena as he did not give permission for the murders.

Snakes, any insight on who he’s talking about the big older guy with a huge appetite that has a social club on Addison st. That guy use to be at Sally’s Pancake House on Sundays but then started going to Emmy’s. Also lives around Harlem and North, which borders River Forest. They think Frankie Q and Dimitri could possibly be meeting him. In my opinion it sounds like Joey A. Lives in River Forest, had a social club and also use to go to Sally’s Pancake House.

Not sure, but I may have missed something along the way about it.

Also, I think the idea that Elmwood Park was deactivated can be put to bed. We have evidence of Gagliano, the Cassanos, Dote, Larry Petitt, and others being active well into the new millennium and up to the present day.

I totally agree with you on that. To many guys still around and getting busted for there to be any evidence that they were deactivated.

Actually I remember Mandell said something to the effect “we will show them what the Elmwood Park crew can do”.

How did Larry Petitt fit into the equation? You said he was mentioned by Mandell.

Mandell checked with Petitt (EP crew member) to see if Stavropoulos's club was kicking up to anyone (Stavropoulos also reported to that crew)

[NorthBuffalo]

Snakes - Looks like I'm off here. Did it come out in the trial that Petitt was in contact with Mandell? As it relates to Grand and Harlem I think they are at one point referencing Fred Pacente, who was affiliated with Crazy Horse in Vegas among others in Miami and Chicago.



13 MICHAEL: That Grand and Harlem has been brought up to me
14 on numerous occasions by What’s Up Buddy.
15
16 MANDELL: Well, who’s What’s Up Buddy?
17
18 MICHAEL: You know who I’m talking about.
19
20 MANDELL: What’s Up Buddy? Handsome?
21
22 MICHAEL: (Inaudible). No. Your old—
23
24 MANDELL: Not Robert Redford?
25
26 MICHAEL: No, your old old friend Freddie.
27
28 MANDELL: Oh really?
29
30 MICHAEL: Really.
31
32 MANDELL: The guy that had the big business, that couldn’t
33 handle it. That, that guy?
34
35 (Simultaneous conversation).
36
37 MICHAEL: Yeah went down—
38
39 MANDELL: Who had the business?
40
41 MICHAEL: Yeah, it went down the toilet. Yeah.
42
43 MANDELL: And he—It was, uh, it was handed to him on a
44 silver platter and he couldn’t even handle it,
45 right? That guy?
46
47 MICHAEL: For free. For free. For free.

[funkster]

He goes on to say that the "old guys [senior Outfit members] are done" because they didn't want another Family Secrets.

Interesting. Could elaborate on this? He means DiFronzo, Andriacci, D'Amico? (Pardon my ignorance again.)

Didn't mention anyone specific, but I'd assume he included Vena as he did not give permission for the murders.

Snakes, any insight on who he’s talking about the big older guy with a huge appetite that has a social club on Addison st. That guy use to be at Sally’s Pancake House on Sundays but then started going to Emmy’s. Also lives around Harlem and North, which borders River Forest. They think Frankie Q and Dimitri could possibly be meeting him. In my opinion it sounds like Joey A. Lives in River Forest, had a social club and also use to go to Sally’s Pancake House.

Not sure, but I may have missed something along the way about it.

Also, I think the idea that Elmwood Park was deactivated can be put to bed. We have evidence of Gagliano, the Cassanos, Dote, Larry Petitt, and others being active well into the new millennium and up to the present day.

I totally agree with you on that. To many guys still around and getting busted for there to be any evidence that they were deactivated.

Actually I remember Mandell said something to the effect “we will show them what the Elmwood Park crew can do”.

How did Larry Petitt fit into the equation? You said he was mentioned by Mandell.

I said this same thing when this all went down and people insisted he was just interchanging Elmwood Park and Grand Avenue lol.

Funny this is all coming back up, it felt like when all this info came out it was quickly off the radar, which I thought was odd given the amount of important nuggets that came out of it.

[PolackTony]

He goes on to say that the "old guys [senior Outfit members] are done" because they didn't want another Family Secrets.

Interesting. Could elaborate on this? He means DiFronzo, Andriacci, D'Amico? (Pardon my ignorance again.)

Didn't mention anyone specific, but I'd assume he included Vena as he did not give permission for the murders.

Snakes, any insight on who he’s talking about the big older guy with a huge appetite that has a social club on Addison st. That guy use to be at Sally’s Pancake House on Sundays but then started going to Emmy’s. Also lives around Harlem and North, which borders River Forest. They think Frankie Q and Dimitri could possibly be meeting him. In my opinion it sounds like Joey A. Lives in River Forest, had a social club and also use to go to Sally’s Pancake House.

Not sure, but I may have missed something along the way about it.

Also, I think the idea that Elmwood Park was deactivated can be put to bed. We have evidence of Gagliano, the Cassanos, Dote, Larry Petitt, and others being active well into the new millennium and up to the present day.

I totally agree with you on that. To many guys still around and getting busted for there to be any evidence that they were deactivated.

Actually I remember Mandell said something to the effect “we will show them what the Elmwood Park crew can do”.

How did Larry Petitt fit into the equation? You said he was mentioned by Mandell.

I said this same thing when this all went down and people insisted he was just interchanging Elmwood Park and Grand Avenue lol.

Funny this is all coming back up, it felt like when all this info came out it was quickly off the radar, which I thought was odd given the amount of important nuggets that came out of it.

Everyone took Fosco’s claim as to EP being “deactivated” as fact, of course. So when the Mandell stuff first came out, it got largely dismissed.

[Snakes]

Snakes - Looks like I'm off here. Did it come out in the trial that Petitt was in contact with Mandell? As it relates to Grand and Harlem I think they are at one point referencing Fred Pacente, who was affiliated with Crazy Horse in Vegas among others in Miami and Chicago.



13 MICHAEL: That Grand and Harlem has been brought up to me
14 on numerous occasions by What’s Up Buddy.
15
16 MANDELL: Well, who’s What’s Up Buddy?
17
18 MICHAEL: You know who I’m talking about.
19
20 MANDELL: What’s Up Buddy? Handsome?
21
22 MICHAEL: (Inaudible). No. Your old—
23
24 MANDELL: Not Robert Redford?
25
26 MICHAEL: No, your old old friend Freddie.
27
28 MANDELL: Oh really?
29
30 MICHAEL: Really.
31
32 MANDELL: The guy that had the big business, that couldn’t
33 handle it. That, that guy?
34
35 (Simultaneous conversation).
36
37 MICHAEL: Yeah went down—
38
39 MANDELL: Who had the business?
40
41 MICHAEL: Yeah, it went down the toilet. Yeah.
42
43 MANDELL: And he—It was, uh, it was handed to him on a
44 silver platter and he couldn’t even handle it,
45 right? That guy?
46
47 MICHAEL: For free. For free. For free.

I haven't seen anything concerning who "Freddie" is

[NorthBuffalo]

Snakes - Looks like I'm off here. Did it come out in the trial that Petitt was in contact with Mandell? As it relates to Grand and Harlem I think they are at one point referencing Fred Pacente, who was affiliated with Crazy Horse in Vegas among others in Miami and Chicago.



13 MICHAEL: That Grand and Harlem has been brought up to me
14 on numerous occasions by What’s Up Buddy.
15
16 MANDELL: Well, who’s What’s Up Buddy?
17
18 MICHAEL: You know who I’m talking about.
19
20 MANDELL: What’s Up Buddy? Handsome?
21
22 MICHAEL: (Inaudible). No. Your old—
23
24 MANDELL: Not Robert Redford?
25
26 MICHAEL: No, your old old friend Freddie.
27
28 MANDELL: Oh really?
29
30 MICHAEL: Really.
31
32 MANDELL: The guy that had the big business, that couldn’t
33 handle it. That, that guy?
34
35 (Simultaneous conversation).
36
37 MICHAEL: Yeah went down—
38
39 MANDELL: Who had the business?
40
41 MICHAEL: Yeah, it went down the toilet. Yeah.
42
43 MANDELL: And he—It was, uh, it was handed to him on a
44 silver platter and he couldn’t even handle it,
45 right? That guy?
46
47 MICHAEL: For free. For free. For free.

I haven't seen anything concerning who "Freddie" is

Where did it come out that Mandell was in touch with Larry Pettit? Was that in a court transcript? I'm just guessing Pacente is 'Freddie' given they are talking about major strip clubs in that regard and they are both former cops and from the same neighborhood.

[funkster]

He goes on to say that the "old guys [senior Outfit members] are done" because they didn't want another Family Secrets.

Interesting. Could elaborate on this? He means DiFronzo, Andriacci, D'Amico? (Pardon my ignorance again.)

Didn't mention anyone specific, but I'd assume he included Vena as he did not give permission for the murders.

Snakes, any insight on who he’s talking about the big older guy with a huge appetite that has a social club on Addison st. That guy use to be at Sally’s Pancake House on Sundays but then started going to Emmy’s. Also lives around Harlem and North, which borders River Forest. They think Frankie Q and Dimitri could possibly be meeting him. In my opinion it sounds like Joey A. Lives in River Forest, had a social club and also use to go to Sally’s Pancake House.

Not sure, but I may have missed something along the way about it.

Also, I think the idea that Elmwood Park was deactivated can be put to bed. We have evidence of Gagliano, the Cassanos, Dote, Larry Petitt, and others being active well into the new millennium and up to the present day.

I totally agree with you on that. To many guys still around and getting busted for there to be any evidence that they were deactivated.

Actually I remember Mandell said something to the effect “we will show them what the Elmwood Park crew can do”.

How did Larry Petitt fit into the equation? You said he was mentioned by Mandell.

I said this same thing when this all went down and people insisted he was just interchanging Elmwood Park and Grand Avenue lol.

Funny this is all coming back up, it felt like when all this info came out it was quickly off the radar, which I thought was odd given the amount of important nuggets that came out of it.

Everyone took Fosco’s claim as to EP being “deactivated” as fact, of course. So when the Mandell stuff first came out, it got largely dismissed.

Fosco always had his bizarre Difronzo obsession

[Patrickgold]

Snakes - Looks like I'm off here. Did it come out in the trial that Petitt was in contact with Mandell? As it relates to Grand and Harlem I think they are at one point referencing Fred Pacente, who was affiliated with Crazy Horse in Vegas among others in Miami and Chicago.



13 MICHAEL: That Grand and Harlem has been brought up to me
14 on numerous occasions by What’s Up Buddy.
15
16 MANDELL: Well, who’s What’s Up Buddy?
17
18 MICHAEL: You know who I’m talking about.
19
20 MANDELL: What’s Up Buddy? Handsome?
21
22 MICHAEL: (Inaudible). No. Your old—
23
24 MANDELL: Not Robert Redford?
25
26 MICHAEL: No, your old old friend Freddie.
27
28 MANDELL: Oh really?
29
30 MICHAEL: Really.
31
32 MANDELL: The guy that had the big business, that couldn’t
33 handle it. That, that guy?
34
35 (Simultaneous conversation).
36
37 MICHAEL: Yeah went down—
38
39 MANDELL: Who had the business?
40
41 MICHAEL: Yeah, it went down the toilet. Yeah.
42
43 MANDELL: And he—It was, uh, it was handed to him on a
44 silver platter and he couldn’t even handle it,
45 right? That guy?
46
47 MICHAEL: For free. For free. For free.

I haven't seen anything concerning who "Freddie" is

Very well could be Fred Paciente. Paciente was involved in strip clubs but not as an owner from my knowledge. I know Paciente was close to that Michael who was recording Mandell. Not sure what business he is talking about Freddy not being able to handle even though it was given to him.

[NorthBuffalo]

Great old video guys might like on Elmwood Park - Frank Jr and his guys looks like late 70s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfHi7eqv1nQ

[PolackTony]

Great old video guys might like on Elmwood Park - Frank Jr and his guys looks like late 70s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfHi7eqv1nQ

“Get the fuck outta here, jagoff”.

Great footage, very nostalgic stuff given how much EP has changed over the years.

The YT account also has a brief clip of Anthony Cassano, at one of the Italian Societies or Fests.

Also has this video at Caputo’s in Addison. If anyone who’s reading and isn’t from Chicago wants to know how people in Chicago really were/are like.

“How’s da hot? Is da hot hot?”:

https://youtu.be/c9w5lUZp_PA?si=xkw17RNOYFchWtln

[Snakes]

Snakes - Looks like I'm off here. Did it come out in the trial that Petitt was in contact with Mandell? As it relates to Grand and Harlem I think they are at one point referencing Fred Pacente, who was affiliated with Crazy Horse in Vegas among others in Miami and Chicago.



13 MICHAEL: That Grand and Harlem has been brought up to me
14 on numerous occasions by What’s Up Buddy.
15
16 MANDELL: Well, who’s What’s Up Buddy?
17
18 MICHAEL: You know who I’m talking about.
19
20 MANDELL: What’s Up Buddy? Handsome?
21
22 MICHAEL: (Inaudible). No. Your old—
23
24 MANDELL: Not Robert Redford?
25
26 MICHAEL: No, your old old friend Freddie.
27
28 MANDELL: Oh really?
29
30 MICHAEL: Really.
31
32 MANDELL: The guy that had the big business, that couldn’t
33 handle it. That, that guy?
34
35 (Simultaneous conversation).
36
37 MICHAEL: Yeah went down—
38
39 MANDELL: Who had the business?
40
41 MICHAEL: Yeah, it went down the toilet. Yeah.
42
43 MANDELL: And he—It was, uh, it was handed to him on a
44 silver platter and he couldn’t even handle it,
45 right? That guy?
46
47 MICHAEL: For free. For free. For free.

I haven't seen anything concerning who "Freddie" is

Where did it come out that Mandell was in touch with Larry Pettit? Was that in a court transcript? I'm just guessing Pacente is 'Freddie' given they are talking about major strip clubs in that regard and they are both former cops and from the same neighborhood.

In court -- Mandell asked Petitt "Is that club spoken for?"

[Ivan]

If anyone who’s reading and isn’t from Chicago wants to know how people in Chicago really were/are like.

Whenever I run into Chicagoans who are like this now in 2024, they always live out in the suburbs, and never within the city limits.