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B. wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:50 pm Forgot to mention another good part from the Calabrese testimony is when he says his brother was upset when they made DiFiorti because he's only half-Italian. Frank felt if they made a half-Italian, they should also make Jarrett because he was half-Italian. Don't know if it's verified DiFiorti was half, but looks like when Chicago made exceptions they did it with guys who had Italian fathers. Apparently wasn't an option to propose Jarrett.

Calabrese said nothing about Marcello's heritage despite being so close to him and gossiping about other half-Italians with his brother. Tells us it wasn't well-known or discussed about Marcello.

Seems like they, at least to an extent, bought into the mentality Gravano described where he said "You are what your father is." I suppose because they carry the same name. Given the timing, it always seemed like it was just an excuse to make Junior Gotti. By the time Massino was the last boss on the street, that equivocating was supposedly thrown out the window.
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Wiseguy wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:52 am
B. wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 10:50 pm Forgot to mention another good part from the Calabrese testimony is when he says his brother was upset when they made DiFiorti because he's only half-Italian. Frank felt if they made a half-Italian, they should also make Jarrett because he was half-Italian. Don't know if it's verified DiFiorti was half, but looks like when Chicago made exceptions they did it with guys who had Italian fathers. Apparently wasn't an option to propose Jarrett.

Calabrese said nothing about Marcello's heritage despite being so close to him and gossiping about other half-Italians with his brother. Tells us it wasn't well-known or discussed about Marcello.

Seems like they, at least to an extent, bought into the mentality Gravano described where he said "You are what your father is." I suppose because they carry the same name. Given the timing, it always seemed like it was just an excuse to make Junior Gotti. By the time Massino was the last boss on the street, that equivocating was supposedly thrown out the window.
Just for appearances probably better to have half Italian made guys with last names of Lombardo, Calabrese and Ricci than Kowalowski, McDermott and Chang.
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funkster wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:43 pm Cavita, not sure ive seen those photos can you post them?

Jimmy Marcello always struck me as a very smart guy and his family was involved for a long time, would be amazing to hear the stories he could tell.
His dad was killed by a juice customer, correct? And then Jimmy supposedly killed the juice customer?
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PPPP wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:01 pm
funkster wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:43 pm Cavita, not sure ive seen those photos can you post them?

Jimmy Marcello always struck me as a very smart guy and his family was involved for a long time, would be amazing to hear the stories he could tell.
His dad was killed by a juice customer, correct? And then Jimmy supposedly killed the juice customer?
That's the story. Outside of mugs and surveillence, you don't really see a lot of pics of Marcello on the web. I would guess that his family doesn't have quite the social media presence that some of these other families have. You can find some younger pics of a lot of guys somewhere on the internet, but not Marcello.
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Snakes wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:06 pm
PPPP wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:01 pm
funkster wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:43 pm Cavita, not sure ive seen those photos can you post them?

Jimmy Marcello always struck me as a very smart guy and his family was involved for a long time, would be amazing to hear the stories he could tell.
His dad was killed by a juice customer, correct? And then Jimmy supposedly killed the juice customer?
That's the story. Outside of mugs and surveillence, you don't really see a lot of pics of Marcello on the web. I would guess that his family doesn't have quite the social media presence that some of these other families have. You can find some younger pics of a lot of guys somewhere on the internet, but not Marcello.
Wasn’t his son hanging out with a New York guy who was supposed to move to Chicago but died of cancer? I do remember see his pic with the New York guy. I forgot what family from New York
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Patrickgold wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:17 pm
Snakes wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:06 pm
PPPP wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:01 pm
funkster wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:43 pm Cavita, not sure ive seen those photos can you post them?

Jimmy Marcello always struck me as a very smart guy and his family was involved for a long time, would be amazing to hear the stories he could tell.
His dad was killed by a juice customer, correct? And then Jimmy supposedly killed the juice customer?
That's the story. Outside of mugs and surveillence, you don't really see a lot of pics of Marcello on the web. I would guess that his family doesn't have quite the social media presence that some of these other families have. You can find some younger pics of a lot of guys somewhere on the internet, but not Marcello.
Wasn’t his son hanging out with a New York guy who was supposed to move to Chicago but died of cancer? I do remember see his pic with the New York guy. I forgot what family from New York
Lou Auricchio, NJ member from the Westside. He was hanging out with Sammy Marcello and some other guys at a club in the Loop (forgot which one).
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PolackTony wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:31 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:17 pm
Snakes wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:06 pm
PPPP wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:01 pm
funkster wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:43 pm Cavita, not sure ive seen those photos can you post them?

Jimmy Marcello always struck me as a very smart guy and his family was involved for a long time, would be amazing to hear the stories he could tell.
His dad was killed by a juice customer, correct? And then Jimmy supposedly killed the juice customer?
That's the story. Outside of mugs and surveillence, you don't really see a lot of pics of Marcello on the web. I would guess that his family doesn't have quite the social media presence that some of these other families have. You can find some younger pics of a lot of guys somewhere on the internet, but not Marcello.
Wasn’t his son hanging out with a New York guy who was supposed to move to Chicago but died of cancer? I do remember see his pic with the New York guy. I forgot what family from New York
Lou Auricchio, NJ member from the Westside. He was hanging out with Sammy Marcello and some other guys at a club in the Loop (forgot which one).
Yeah, and I think he actually died of COVID.

PPPP, as I recall he was eventually murdered and the cops found Jimmy's dad and associates bodies in barrels in the guy's shop. I believe his dad lived in Rosemont at the time, which is next to where i grew up. Lot of Outfit connections there...the longtime mayor was deeply mobbed up and owned a motel with Sam Giancana. My mom always told me a story about how a business partner of Stephens' was found in a parking garage with a bullet hole in head in the early 80s, dont know if it was just a local myth though.
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funkster wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:57 am
PolackTony wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:31 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:17 pm
Snakes wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:06 pm
PPPP wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:01 pm
funkster wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:43 pm Cavita, not sure ive seen those photos can you post them?

Jimmy Marcello always struck me as a very smart guy and his family was involved for a long time, would be amazing to hear the stories he could tell.
His dad was killed by a juice customer, correct? And then Jimmy supposedly killed the juice customer?
That's the story. Outside of mugs and surveillence, you don't really see a lot of pics of Marcello on the web. I would guess that his family doesn't have quite the social media presence that some of these other families have. You can find some younger pics of a lot of guys somewhere on the internet, but not Marcello.
Wasn’t his son hanging out with a New York guy who was supposed to move to Chicago but died of cancer? I do remember see his pic with the New York guy. I forgot what family from New York
Lou Auricchio, NJ member from the Westside. He was hanging out with Sammy Marcello and some other guys at a club in the Loop (forgot which one).
Yeah, and I think he actually died of COVID.

PPPP, as I recall he was eventually murdered and the cops found Jimmy's dad and associates bodies in barrels in the guy's shop. I believe his dad lived in Rosemont at the time, which is next to where i grew up. Lot of Outfit connections there...the longtime mayor was deeply mobbed up and owned a motel with Sam Giancana. My mom always told me a story about how a business partner of Stephens' was found in a parking garage with a bullet hole in head in the early 80s, dont know if it was just a local myth though.
Thanks. Believe they tried to build a casino in Rosemont a while back but got shut down because somebody had silent mob connections or something along those lines.
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funkster wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:57 am
PolackTony wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:31 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:17 pm
Snakes wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:06 pm
PPPP wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:01 pm
funkster wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:43 pm Cavita, not sure ive seen those photos can you post them?

Jimmy Marcello always struck me as a very smart guy and his family was involved for a long time, would be amazing to hear the stories he could tell.
His dad was killed by a juice customer, correct? And then Jimmy supposedly killed the juice customer?
That's the story. Outside of mugs and surveillence, you don't really see a lot of pics of Marcello on the web. I would guess that his family doesn't have quite the social media presence that some of these other families have. You can find some younger pics of a lot of guys somewhere on the internet, but not Marcello.
Wasn’t his son hanging out with a New York guy who was supposed to move to Chicago but died of cancer? I do remember see his pic with the New York guy. I forgot what family from New York
Lou Auricchio, NJ member from the Westside. He was hanging out with Sammy Marcello and some other guys at a club in the Loop (forgot which one).
Yeah, and I think he actually died of COVID.

PPPP, as I recall he was eventually murdered and the cops found Jimmy's dad and associates bodies in barrels in the guy's shop. I believe his dad lived in Rosemont at the time, which is next to where i grew up. Lot of Outfit connections there...the longtime mayor was deeply mobbed up and owned a motel with Sam Giancana. My mom always told me a story about how a business partner of Stephens' was found in a parking garage with a bullet hole in head in the early 80s, dont know if it was just a local myth though.
Yes, Lou Auricchio died of COVID in 2021, when he was apparently in the process of moving to Chicago.

Sam Marcello, Jimmy’s father, went missing in November 1973 after allegedly making a juice collection visit with his associate Joe Grisafe at the Taylor and Western sandwich shop of Sam Rantis. Rantis was not just a loan client, however, as he was named as having his own “syndicate connections”; Rantis was busted in 1970 for having counterfeit bills and was also alleged to have been involved in some outfit-connected Teamsters money laundering scams related to suburban hotels (IIRC). Clearly the outfit knew that Rantis had whacked Marcello and Grisafe, as he himself wound up as “trunk music” less than two weeks after — Rantis went missing in December and his frozen body was found in Feb 1974 in a car trunk near O’Hare. The story has been that Jimmy was involved in clipping Rantis, which is allegedly how he made his bones for the family. Later in ‘74, the new owner of Rantis’s sandwich joint discovered Marcello and Grisafe’s bodies in oil drums in the storage area; Grisafe’s legs were cut off to fit him in the barrel, as he was a massive 6’4” beast (what we used to call a “bone crusher” in Chicago). Three bounced checks from Rantis were found on their persons. The Trib reported at that time that Grisafe was about to be indicted for extortion when he was killed, part of a major DOJ investigation into outfit-connected extortionate control of numerous Chicagoland businesses.

Sam Marcello’s first wife was Irene Flynn, daughter of a CPD lieutenant and Jimmy’s birth mother. When Jimmy was a kid, Sam remarried Margaret Urbinati, who was Mickey Marcello’s mother. For this reason, I doubt that it was common knowledge that Jimmy wasn’t full Ital. Margaret was also the sister of notorious outfit-connected narcotics trafficker Carlo Urbanati.

More details regarding Sam Marcello:

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PolackTony wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:21 am
funkster wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:57 am
PolackTony wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:31 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:17 pm
Snakes wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:06 pm
PPPP wrote: Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:01 pm
funkster wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:43 pm Cavita, not sure ive seen those photos can you post them?

Jimmy Marcello always struck me as a very smart guy and his family was involved for a long time, would be amazing to hear the stories he could tell.
His dad was killed by a juice customer, correct? And then Jimmy supposedly killed the juice customer?
That's the story. Outside of mugs and surveillence, you don't really see a lot of pics of Marcello on the web. I would guess that his family doesn't have quite the social media presence that some of these other families have. You can find some younger pics of a lot of guys somewhere on the internet, but not Marcello.
Wasn’t his son hanging out with a New York guy who was supposed to move to Chicago but died of cancer? I do remember see his pic with the New York guy. I forgot what family from New York
Lou Auricchio, NJ member from the Westside. He was hanging out with Sammy Marcello and some other guys at a club in the Loop (forgot which one).
Yeah, and I think he actually died of COVID.

PPPP, as I recall he was eventually murdered and the cops found Jimmy's dad and associates bodies in barrels in the guy's shop. I believe his dad lived in Rosemont at the time, which is next to where i grew up. Lot of Outfit connections there...the longtime mayor was deeply mobbed up and owned a motel with Sam Giancana. My mom always told me a story about how a business partner of Stephens' was found in a parking garage with a bullet hole in head in the early 80s, dont know if it was just a local myth though.
Yes, Lou Auricchio died of COVID in 2021, when he was apparently in the process of moving to Chicago.

Sam Marcello, Jimmy’s father, went missing in November 1973 after allegedly making a juice collection visit with his associate Joe Grisafe at the Taylor and Western sandwich shop of Sam Rantis. Rantis was not just a loan client, however, as he was named as having his own “syndicate connections”; Rantis was busted in 1970 for having counterfeit bills and was also alleged to have been involved in some outfit-connected Teamsters money laundering scams related to suburban hotels (IIRC). Clearly the outfit knew that Rantis had whacked Marcello and Grisafe, as he himself wound up as “trunk music” less than two weeks after — Rantis went missing in December and his frozen body was found in Feb 1974 in a car trunk near O’Hare. The story has been that Jimmy was involved in clipping Rantis, which is allegedly how he made his bones for the family. Later in ‘74, the new owner of Rantis’s sandwich joint discovered Marcello and Grisafe’s bodies in oil drums in the storage area; Grisafe’s legs were cut off to fit him in the barrel, as he was a massive 6’4” beast (what we used to call a “bone crusher” in Chicago). Three bounced checks from Rantis were found on their persons. The Trib reported at that time that Grisafe was about to be indicted for extortion when he was killed, part of a major DOJ investigation into outfit-connected extortionate control of numerous Chicagoland businesses.

Sam Marcello’s first wife was Irene Flynn, daughter of a CPD lieutenant and Jimmy’s birth mother. When Jimmy was a kid, Sam remarried Margaret Urbinati, who was Mickey Marcello’s mother. For this reason, I doubt that it was common knowledge that Jimmy wasn’t full Ital. Margaret was also the sister of notorious outfit-connected narcotics trafficker Carlo Urbanati.

More details regarding Sam Marcello:

viewtopic.php?p=217109#p217109
Great info. And thanks for the link.
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March 1, 1978 news clipping
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cavita wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:22 pm March 1, 1978 news clipping
Thanks for the clip. Further goes to suggest that Solly most likely started out as an associate with the Amato crew before getting made in the Cicero crew.
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Frank Bompensiero mentioned August Phillip Caponi aka “Mickey Capone”, a wealthy produce distributor from Chicago, as his close friend and Joe Zerrilli’s primary produce contact:

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No relation to those other Capones. August Caponi was born in 1911 in Chicago to Filippo Capone and Antonina DiCola of Tèrmini Imerese, who immigrated to Chicago in the 1880s along with a number of relatives. August grew up on Erie in the Grand Ave Patch before later moving to Augusta and Kedzie in Humboldt Park, and worked for his family’s long-standing produce business. He moved to CA in the 40s and died in San Diego in 1982. If he was closely connected to Bomp and Zerilli, I’d expect that his family was probably connected in Chicago.

This reminded me that many years ago I had heard about some Capones, said to be completely unrelated to Al Brown, who were huge produce big shots in Chicago. Frank Capone, who died in 2019, was a major force in Chicago’s produce industry, as the long time head of produce for Dominick’s Finer Foods. Looks like Frank Capone was the son of “Mickey Capone’s” younger brother Tony Capone and Josephine Raimondi (another family from Tèrmini). Frank started out working on the South Water St market in the Loop for the LaMantia Bros. Arrigo Co., which for decades was the largest produce brokerage company in the US (buying from producers and selling to supermarket chains); the LaMantia (intermarried with Battaglias) and Arrigo families were, of course, also from Tèrmini.

Some info that I’ve come across states that the Chicago produce LaMantia family was related to LaMantias and Calderones who ran produce companies in Western PA and OH from way back, so the possibility of old connections to the “Society of the Banana”, which I’ve always suspected would almost certainly have had strong links to Chicago, came to mind.
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1965 wiretap of Alderisio with Frank Luzi of the Height, who the FBI described in the report as “tentatively identified as a
LCN member”. Alserisio stated that he had been in Naples in 1961 when John Roberto died and had also met with Dom Roberto in Italy:

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Was looking at an interesting report from 1972 with an informant in Mexico who was in contact with people who knew Giancana during his time there. Stated that Giancana lived in a “luxury house” in an exclusive section of Cuernavaca under the name “Sam De Palma”. That Richard Cain had previously lived in Mexico around 1962 and that Cain’s ex-wife worked at the American embassy. That Giancana had apparently been barred from entering Mexico and was thus reputed to have been under investigation for living in the country illegally. In 1972, Giancana was alleged to have left Mexico for Italy, and to have subsequently moved to Beirut, where the informant believed he was living at the time of the report.

In another file, the FBI stated that Giancana’s handler in Mexico was Mexico City attorney Jorge Castillo, who was apparently born in Shreveport, LA. Castillo was the one who arranged the purchase of the homes that Giancana was reported to be staying at. Apart from the mansion in Cuernavaca, Giancana had a penthouse in Mexico City, paid for in cash by Castillo; Giancana frequently played golf at a Mexico City country club under Castillo’s membership. Giancana also attended parties in Mexico City and Acapulco with Castillo. Along with “Sam De Palma”, Giancana was using “Richard Scalzitti” as an alias. In 1966, Mexico had denied Giancana’s application for resident immigrant status on the grounds of his reputed affiliation with organized crime. Castillo had been petitioning the government to change their decision and telling them that Giancana had not re-entered Mexico since 1966.
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