Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

[CabriniGreen]

@ Lupara:
Let’s also look at context.

14 members indicted appears a large number, until its put into context, that this would be from 2006. That’s 13 years. Meaning an inductee per year, odd. Or one induction every 4 years with 4/5 inductees.

The math on these equations doesn’t appear incredibly unrealistic.

We also need to take into account that it is unlikely the FBI would be aware of all members. It’s not at all unlikely they were unaware of 4-5 members.

And taking into account Canada, which could easily constitute a reasonable portion, 5-10 possible members.

A mix of all three possibilities, in any weight, and you quite easily arrive at a ballpark 30 number.

I don’t see why Violi’s statement considering the above appears extraordinarily unbelievable.

Even for a minute.

Well in 2013 the Feds had them at 20 members so it doesn't look they were making anyone from 2006-2012. Factoring in deaths since 2013 they would have had to have inducted over a dozen new members since 2013 to reach the numbers people are using. And really how likely is that? Philly hasn't even made that many in that period and that is a far far more active group that regulalry makes new members. I mean that is reaching 5 family levels of recruitment there.


Also how likely is that this massive recruitment drive would somehow escape LE attention despite them having a member informant recording Violi?


Pogo

What about Violis crew, guys like Masimigliano Carfana?

[scagghiuni]

ndrangheta and drug has nothing to do with this mafia wars, it's a territorial power one, montagna (bonanno acting boss) who wanted to take over rizzuto faction (also bonanno) and he made the violis in lcn through todaro jr in order to have more allied

[Frank]

ndrangheta and drug has nothing to do with this mafia wars, it's a territorial power one, montagna (bonanno acting boss) who wanted to take over rizzuto faction (also bonanno) and he made the violis in lcn through todaro jr in order to have more allied

The Violis were not made members when Montagna was alive.The younger brother might still not be made.

[CabriniGreen]

They didnt get made until well after Montagna was dead......

You cant be certain Montagna MADE them THROUGH Todaro, even though I know what you mean....

It's a possibility..

[CabriniGreen]

@Frank

Our most current info has Joe Violi still trying to decide which family to join..

[CabriniGreen]

@scagguhini

If you dont control the drugs, you dont control the territory... The Rizzutos taught that lesson back in the late 70s.....

Renauds source, even if it's an exaggeration has the Hells with most of the drug territory, and this in his view makes them the strongest group right now....

[CabriniGreen]

Also, who are the guys left in the Bonanno faction?

Out of the list Renaud put out, I couldnt make out who they might be..

[scagghiuni]

@scagguhini

If you dont control the drugs, you dont control the territory... The Rizzutos taught that lesson back in the late 70s.....

Renauds source, even if it's an exaggeration has the Hells with most of the drug territory, and this in his view makes them the strongest group right now....

it's the opposite, you control the territory first, the drugs came after with all the other stuff gambling, constructions, waste disposal, politics connections etc. in the rizzuto family there is alfonso gagliano, one of the biggest politician in canada, the bonanno's wanted more this kind of links than drugs, the rizzuto made millions with the construction business, public works etc., gagliano was minister of transports

[scagghiuni]

ndrangheta and drug has nothing to do with this mafia wars, it's a territorial power one, montagna (bonanno acting boss) who wanted to take over rizzuto faction (also bonanno) and he made the violis in lcn through todaro jr in order to have more allied

The Violis were not made members when Montagna was alive.The younger brother might still not be made.

i mean montagna contacted them when he arrived in canada, the bonanno's probably forced todaro jr to made them after to have allied in ontario

[CabriniGreen]

lol, The Rizzutos DIDNT control the territory first my man, that why Nick had to leave Montreal for Venezuela....
I know you are into the sicilians, but you be taking that shit too far, lol


All that drug money bought their way into the construction rackeetering and all that. Just like John Gambinos heroin money let him invest in NY construction. When was The Platinum book started, the early 2000s?


Violi was the one in control of the territory, extortion, shaking down ice cream parlors, all the Pizza businesses, all that....

[CabriniGreen]

Today it's the Hells in control of the Most DRUG turf, that doesnt equate to controlling all the gambling, extortion rackets, all that....

[Frank]

@Frank

Our most current info has Joe Violi still trying to decide which family to join..

Yes.

[scagghiuni]

lol, The Rizzutos DIDNT control the territory first my man, that why Nick had to leave Montreal for Venezuela....
I know you are into the sicilians, but you be taking that shit too far, lol


All that drug money bought their way into the construction rackeetering and all that. Just like John Gambinos heroin money let him invest in NY construction. When was The Platinum book started, the early 2000s?


Violi was the one in control of the territory, extortion, shaking down ice cream parlors, all the Pizza businesses, all that....

violi who? if you mean paolo violi yes, but when the rizzuto's killed him they took over all the rackets and territorial control, and that's what montagna (the bonanno's) wanted to do taking over the rizzuto's
it's not just a drug network, it's also territorial control
they made alfonso gagliano who bacame minister of labour, imagine how many favours to other mafia members, public works etc.

[scagghiuni]

Today it's the Hells in control of the Most DRUG turf, that doesnt equate to controlling all the gambling, extortion rackets, all that....

control extortions and constructions is more important than drugs, drug business is highly at risk and it doesn't last forever
the mafia is also heavily involved in drugs in montreal anyway, probably even more than hells
hells are more widespread across quebec beacause they have chapters also in internal towns

[CabriniGreen]

Ooh, @scagghiuni

We are in agreement, I just misunderstood what you said.. no worriesmy man....