Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

[NickleCity]

Sorry should say: Could it have been both because the Violi's/Buffalo and Bonannos were already working together or beginning to at this point?

Or am I crazy for thinking that is a possibility? I mean that is from 2010, nearly 9 years ago...

It certainly seems like it. You may remember the Violis' presence in Montreal a week before Nick Sr. was killed. Seems to have been a longstanding partnership between them and the Bonannos that was started by Montagna.

Also Desjardins' trip to Buffalo shortly before the attempt on his life remains intriguing.

I’ve seen that Desjardins visited Buffalo before the attempt on his life on the boards but haven’t found who reported that. Can you point me to the source ?

[CabriniGreen]

Wait, so now... it DID kinda PARTLY involve Toronto/Ontario clans?

[antimafia]

Sorry should say: Could it have been both because the Violi's/Buffalo and Bonannos were already working together or beginning to at this point?

Or am I crazy for thinking that is a possibility? I mean that is from 2010, nearly 9 years ago...

It certainly seems like it. You may remember the Violis' presence in Montreal a week before Nick Sr. was killed. Seems to have been a longstanding partnership between them and the Bonannos that was started by Montagna.

Also Desjardins' trip to Buffalo shortly before the attempt on his life remains intriguing.

I’ve seen that Desjardins visited Buffalo before the attempt on his life on the boards but haven’t found who reported that. Can you point me to the source ?

André Noël, a co-author of Mafia inc., wrote an article published September 20, 2011 that mentions Desjardins having travelled to New York and Buffalo. Below are the article link and the relevant excerpt:

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... efendu.php

Selon des informations non confirmées, Desjardins aurait fait un voyage à New York et à Buffalo dans la semaine qui a précédé l'attentat le visant. Il est impossible de savoir s'il y a un lien entre cet éventuel voyage et l'attentat.

Should he have indeed travelled to those two cities a week before the attempt on his life, Desjardins, who has been aware of mafia protocols in the American La Cosa Nostra since the early 1970s and has admitted his career limitations because he is not Italian (and therefore can never be made), might have travelled to those two cities to talk to and receive direction from the upper brass in the Bonanno and Buffalo families about completing the takeover of Montreal. On the other hand -- I'm playing devil's advocate here -- he might have been in discussion respectively about his conflict with Montagna and perhaps even a conflict with the Violi brothers -- I can elaborate further on the latter if anyone is interested; I would just have to dig up the links to an article and a video from, I think, the year 2011 (probably just after the attempted murder of Desjardins).

[CabriniGreen]

@antimafia

For the record, you NEVER need to ask if you should elaborate, lol! Please do.....

This gets more and more interesting...

[CabriniGreen]

I have to add, the Thing with Dejardins meeting with NY, and then being targeted a week later....

This would throw cold water on the theory that the Rizzutos were behind the hit, and reinforce what Dejardins thought, that Montagna was behind it.... If it came from NY.....

Vito had to have had a couple " Patricias'", someone on the outside feeding them inside info about the opposing camp. That Milioto? Is that his name, hes got to have been one of em....

[CabriniGreen]

@antimafia

Your post, and a random Game of Thrones reference gave me a thought.....

You guys know I've been trying to work out the structure within the Italian crime groups...... I propose a riddle for you guys....


In a room, you have Dom Violi, underboss of a weak family, but pretty much calls his own shots....

You have a Bonnano capo, not the richest, not the most feared, but a respected capo in good standing....

You have an ndrangheta boss....

The Ndrangheta boss, is a BOSS, but because hes on foreign soil, needs ( technically) permission to operate....

Violi the underboss, is the highest ranking member of a weak organization, but has near full autonomy.....

The LCN capo, is ranked lower 5han both the underboss, and the Ndrangheta boss, but his organization is stronger than Violis, and the Ndrangheta boss NEEDS him for his contacts.....

Question..... Who's the most powerful guy in the room?

This is a lot of the conflict I have when these guys do business....

[CabriniGreen]

Also, @antimafia... your post is, to me a great illustration that these guys are tied together more so by business than the organizational tie. My opinion.....

[NickleCity]

[snip]
Should he have indeed travelled to those two cities a week before the attempt on his life, Desjardins, who has been aware of mafia protocols in the American La Cosa Nostra since the early 1970s and has admitted his career limitations because he is not Italian (and therefore can never be made), might have travelled to those two cities to talk to and receive direction from the upper brass in the Bonanno and Buffalo families about completing the takeover of Montreal. On the other hand -- I'm playing devil's advocate here -- he might have been in discussion respectively about his conflict with Montagna and perhaps even a conflict with the Violi brothers -- I can elaborate further on the latter if anyone is interested; I would just have to dig up the links to an article and a video from, I think, the year 2011 (probably just after the attempted murder of Desjardins).

Thanks for the source on Desjardins possible trip to Buffalo; and Yes, I'd love to have you elaborate further if it's not too much work. Also, could you point me to the source that indicated the Violi's visited Monreal before Nick Sr.'s murder... Thanks again!

[Lupara]

On the other hand -- I'm playing devil's advocate here -- he might have been in discussion respectively about his conflict with Montagna and perhaps even a conflict with the Violi brothers -- I can elaborate further on the latter if anyone is interested

We're not, please leave and take your extensive knowledge with you.

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I'd guess you're basing this on the failed mob summit in Montreal in september 2011, during which mobsters from Ontario were seen leaving in a hurry? Would these have been the Violi brothers?

[antimafia]

[snip]
Should he have indeed travelled to those two cities a week before the attempt on his life, Desjardins, who has been aware of mafia protocols in the American La Cosa Nostra since the early 1970s and has admitted his career limitations because he is not Italian (and therefore can never be made), might have travelled to those two cities to talk to and receive direction from the upper brass in the Bonanno and Buffalo families about completing the takeover of Montreal. On the other hand -- I'm playing devil's advocate here -- he might have been in discussion respectively about his conflict with Montagna and perhaps even a conflict with the Violi brothers -- I can elaborate further on the latter if anyone is interested; I would just have to dig up the links to an article and a video from, I think, the year 2011 (probably just after the attempted murder of Desjardins).

Thanks for the source on Desjardins possible trip to Buffalo; and Yes, I'd love to have you elaborate further if it's not too much work. Also, could you point me to the source that indicated the Violi's visited Monreal before Nick Sr.'s murder... Thanks again!

Below is the original link to the French-language article that mentions an individual (a well-informed source) reporting that the Violi brothers were in Montreal a week before Nick Rizzuto Sr.'s murder. The brothers were seen both in Little Italy and in downtown Montreal.

http://fr.canoe.ca/infos/societe/archiv ... 81819.html (no longer operational)

The article will also be found at the following working links:

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2011/ ... alabrais-1
http://fr.canoe.ca/cgi-bin/imprimer.cgi?id=816954

Excerpt:

Une source bien informée raconte qu'une semaine avant le meurtre de Nick Rizzuto, les frères Violi, Dominic et Giuseppe ont été vus à Montréal, dans la Petite Italie et au centre-ville.

[Moscone65]

Don Violi will uld be the most powerful man. The ndrangheta doesn’t have much set up here, the rest of the Bonnanos have their own concerns. Don Violi is the underboss of a nearby, albeit medium strength group. He can call a lot of shots and make a lot of decisions. He likely has more local man power than the bonnano captain and more connections than the ndrangheta boss.

[antimafia]

On the other hand -- I'm playing devil's advocate here -- he might have been in discussion respectively about his conflict with Montagna and perhaps even a conflict with the Violi brothers -- I can elaborate further on the latter if anyone is interested

We're not, please leave and take your extensive knowledge with you.

....

I'd guess you're basing this on the failed mob summit in Montreal in september 2011, during which mobsters from Ontario were seen leaving in a hurry? Would these have been the Violi brothers?

A bit farther below is what I wrote on Gangster BB back in January 2017 when there was heated discussion in the very long thread there --it's about the Montreal mob war -- after the publication of the article found at https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/ ... ne-deroute. I no longer think that the attempted murder of Desjardins came from Montagna and his camp; I choose to believe law enforcement's theory, which back in September 2011 was very short on specifics, that the attack came from the Rizzuto loyalists. You will also read that I believed the then Luppino-Violi group to be 'ndrangheta; now I wonder whether their 'ndrangheta roots still mean something or mean nothing, as we now have more evidence that older Luppinos and Paolo Violi's sons have been made in the American LCN.
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Some of you may have watched the video to which I've linked below when TVA Nouvelles had a report shortly after the murder attempt on Raynald Desjardins in September 2011.

http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/videos/1168533220001

I saw the news report live at the time, but this was only because I was scanning the French-language TV channels for information about the attempt. You may want to fast forward to the 1:40 mark to hear the two organized-crime experts give their take on why Desjardins was attacked.

Claude Poirier theorized that there was an attempt on Desjardins either because 1) Desjardins failed to defend the Rizzutos' interests when Vito was locked up, or 2) Desjardins did not want to pay some type of tribute to the new crime group hypothesized to have taken over in Montreal, a group that was supposedly based in Hamilton.

We are now fairly certain that the attack on Desjardins came from the Montagna camp (even though Montagna denied this), but if one day we ever find out that Poirier's second theory back in 2011 is true in whole or in part, this means that the Desjardins-Mirarchi group, which likely had backing from the GTA Siderno Group, was in conflict with Violi's sons and the others who backed the sons (given the Luppino-Violi group has likely never inducted people who weren't related to Giacomo Luppino by blood or marriage, the group has to be relatively small even today; if you don't agree, please provide some proof of this group's large size).

It took me a long time to accept that elements of the Siderno Group in the GTA were the Calabrians who got on board with Sal Montagna and Desjardins to decimate the Montreal Mafia's Sicilian leadership (Nick Rizzuto Sr., Paolo Renda, Agostino Cun trera). In my opinion, there has been relatively little information made available to the public about the possible involvement of Paolo Violi's sons in the mayhem when compared with the information about Siderno Group figures who appeared to have played a part in the turmoil.

The desire of Violi's sons to see Nick Sr., Renda, Cun trera, and Vito Rizzuto dead was probably nurtured from a young age, but the actual evidence is scant that the sons were involved in plotting murders of those first three names. Seems as though Violi's sons were passive and were probably more than glad to have other people kill the Sicilians rather than having to do so themselves. I know I'm not the only one who believes that if the sons wanted the Sicilians killed because of a "vendetta," there was no obligation on the sons' part to get permission to kill made men or pay others to do so. Therefore, the sons wouldn't even need to consult senior GTA Siderno Group figures, although it would have been a good idea. The Commisso brothers and other members of the GTA Siderno Group in the 1970s did not have a good relationship with Paolo Violi and Violi's brothers--Paolo Violi's death meant the removal of a significant rival. (Remember, that when Rosetta Commisso married Domenico Luppino in 1972, the Commissos intermarried with the Luppinos, not with the Violis.)

When we look at the information available to us at this point about Salvatore Calautti's or Nicola Cortese's possible involvement in the murder of Nick Sr., we know that law enforcement had to release Cortese because of a lack of evidence; that law enforcement didn't even have any proof that Calautti was in Quebec at the time of the murder; that the murder of Nick Sr. was a long-range shooting rather than what was reported in newspaper articles at the time and in the epilogue to Mafia inc.; and that despite Calautti's reportedly bragging that he killed Nick Sr., Toronto police believe that the sniper who killed crime figure Clinton Yow Foo in Toronto may have also killed Nick Sr.

The reports last December that Michel Cotroni and Domenico Violi (Paolo's older son) were among the approximately 20 guests who met at the Linguini restaurant last October were the first reports of any Cotroni ever being suspected of foul play in relation to the ongoing Montreal mob war. If there is an alliance in place between the Violi sons and the Cotronis, have law enforcement, certain crime reporters, and certain organized-crime authors been suggesting that this group was behind the murders of Rocco Sollecito, Lorenzo Giordano, and Vincenzo Spagnolo? behind the bungled attempt to murder old Cotroni-Violi group member Tony Vanelli? Would any new Cotroni-Violi alliance go after any old Cotroni-Violi group members who have either stayed neutral in the war or sided with the so-called le clan sicilien?[/quote]

[Frank]

It's nice to have some of the possible answers and different trails to some of these murders. To me though it is still a very confusing situation. To me it is hard to tell how many of these killings are related. Hard to know what alliance is responsible for each murder. There has been a lot going on in the last 10 or more years

[Moscone65]

Wonder if those D’Amico guys were involved in any rizzuto murders.

[CabriniGreen]

To make it even MORE complicated.... this says RANIERI ordered the hits HIMSELF....


Police added that Daniele Ranieri, from Bolton, who fled to Mexico following a 2014 York Regional Police investigation into his activities, was recently found dead in a Mexican ditch. Ranieri is alleged to have ordered the hits.

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