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Well said. He still wont get it though. FYI youre not helping yourself. Youre not contributing anything of value just stupid potshots which arent clever, needed or entertaining. Do us all a favour and stfu for a while. If you want to side with Wiseguy thats fine. No one over here is going to stfu t...

Who represents this conventional wisdom? Mike Dash? Which evidence are you referring to? You are certainly welcome to have your own opinion, so I'm asking just out of curiosity. I mean the conventional wisdom in the sense of the Genovese family being the oldest has been the traditional or most comm...

Big tough Sammy Gravano who was involved in 19 murders sounds like a whing 15 year old girl in High School who can't accept an apology & wants to go on & on about it like some insecure thin skinned idiot. Either that OR it was all scripted & staged like in Wrestling. lol

It's understandable why the Chicago leadership failed to properly communicate Fratianno's transfer to each other. When you have a top boss, chairman, boss, underboss, four territory bosses, sixteen crew bosses, and thirty-two crew underbosses in a pear tree it's easy for things to get lost in the m...

Maybe Chicago was scamming the scammer. I think thats the real answer.....they did similar stuff with Greenbaum when they caught him stealing from the Vegas scheme that involved a lot of families at the time...so they also took their share from Greenbaums steal and in the end they killed him Of cou...

"Front boss" would imply a patsy. Giancana, Fat Tony... those guys were no patsies. Ralph Natale, on the other hand I completely agree...like you said, those guys were no joke. Also, when Giancana wanted to open or close down some specific big time gambling or vending operation, he didnt ...

I never knew there was a trend against DeSimone and it fits perfectly with all the transfers at the time. It is interesting to see if the Lucchese family were also aware of the transfer or not, since we know they were involved with the LA fam and the informant also mentiones Tommy Brown... http://t...

The fact that a lot of these Street Bosses who were under the 4 Territory Bosses would see Giancana personally every month leads me to believe that they shared 25% with their own Territory Boss & 25% directly with Giancana. This would equal the 50% they sent upward IMO. Most of the sources say ...

The fact that a lot of these Street Bosses who were under the 4 Territory Bosses would see Giancana personally every month leads me to believe that they shared 25% with their own Territory Boss & 25% directly with Giancana. This would equal the 50% they sent upward IMO.

Great list guys, although Outfit does not have the same power as before until it has a lot of people involved, from what I read I thought it had a maximum of 40 members and associates. Thanks man. If you ask me, there are between 10 and 15 active members and between 50 and 60 associates.... Isn't C...

Great list guys, although Outfit does not have the same power as before until it has a lot of people involved, from what I read I thought it had a maximum of 40 members and associates. Thanks man. If you ask me, there are between 10 and 15 active members and between 50 and 60 associates.... Isn't C...

Good points all around. Though with the last part, these guys are prone to so much backbiting it is hard to say how it all worked out in reality. Did Fratianno say Brooklier sent Longo and Sciortino to Detroit to spread word about Fratianno? Had Fratianno misrepresented himself to Detroit or were t...

The Sicilian Immigration into New Orleans is actually a good example of assimilation. The word "Dago" actually originated in Louisiana. Because most all of the newly arrived Sicilian Immigrants couldn't speak English, most worked worked on Plantations during the day & did the same work...

Yes, to some people's heartbreaking dismay & obsession, the Feds have known KC has been defunct for many years. A few left over remnants who will die off soon. Even if a couple of them contacted a made guy in New York about something, they would only be recognized as made members of the Nationa...

Yes, to some people's heartbreaking dismay & obsession, the Feds have known KC has been defunct for many years. A few left over remnants who will die off soon. Even if a couple of them contacted a made guy in New York about something, they would only be recognized as made members of the National...