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newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 7:41 am
So, between rumors and actual confirmed incidents, we've stumbled across like 4 or 5 (?) previously unknown / uncharted Genovese guys in the past couple years? That's pretty awesome for any family...but especially for the Genovese.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 3:39 pm Interesting... a relatively young, active, made Corona Queens guy.

There was a Frank Celso wrapped up in the Whitestone crew bust back in 2015-2016 (https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ge ... eral-court)

Wonder if there is any relation?

newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed May 04, 2022 7:41 am

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:03 pm

Newyorkempire wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 3:42 pm How do we explain all these unknown members? Is it possible the mob has been recruiting, inducting and making guys that we dont know about? That would be a wild theory if true

Well we know thanks to the Rubeo tapes that the Genovese books were most likely closed for a period of time but they've opened up again. Carmelo Polito was made sometime in or after 2018. Stephen Gallo is another one who is recently made.

Carmelo Polito wasn't made until 2018? I remember there was a GL about him sometime in the past 2-3 years stating that he was an acting captain and had basically really gotten his act together and had really stepped up, since we last heard about him years ago as a degenerate, trying to allegedly kill someone to get out of a $60K debt. But, if he wasn't MADE until 2018... that's kinda crazy.

Another recently 'unknown' Genovese solider that we found out about recently was the host at the Friars Club lmao -where the hell did that guy come from?

Anyone know if those brothers from Williamsburg - I think the Mussilo brothers (spelling?), one of them first name Felice... are those guys made? I think they all live in Queens (Maspeth) now but are from Williamsburg

Then we have rumors , not sure where those started from, that the guy "Black" Dom from the Cutolo crew is made with the Genovese and is in whatever crew Carmelo Polito is running...

So, between rumors and actual confirmed incidents, we've stumbled across like 4 or 5 (?) previously unknown / uncharted Genovese guys in the past couple years? That's pretty awesome for any family...but especially for the Genovese.

I'd love to know more about Rom's "Queens" crew and who else is active and a part of it. I was under the impression that Robert DeBello, despite appearing to run a crew himself, was simply a solider and was reporting to DiChiara or whatever the captain of DiChiara's downtown crew in Manhattan was. So while DeBello's guys operated in and around Whitestone, Bayside, Auburndale, etc they were "Manhattan guys" - I'd love to know more about this Corona crew that Rom is running.

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:03 pm

Newyorkempire wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 3:42 pm How do we explain all these unknown members? Is it possible the mob has been recruiting, inducting and making guys that we dont know about? That would be a wild theory if true

Well we know thanks to the Rubeo tapes that the Genovese books were most likely closed for a period of time but they've opened up again. Carmelo Polito was made sometime in or after 2018. Stephen Gallo is another one who is recently made.

Geeleonetti wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 5:51 pm You would think Barney could walk away and step down/aside and live out some years with legitimate income and millions. To me, some of these guys just wanna get caught, just doesn’t make sense to me. All of his friends/associates are gone.

OcSleeper wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 3:51 pm I wonder if Joseph Celso is related to Genovese associate, Frank Celso who was snagged in that 2016 indictment with Steven Pastore & Robert DeBello.

B. wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:15 pm Someone's name not being public until an indictment doesn't make them a sleeper.

A sleeper to me is someone who even other members might not be aware of, i.e. the guy who works every day and doesn't preen around like a gangster.

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:59 pm

Newyorkempire wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:31 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Tue May 03, 2022 4:22 pm This really shouldn't need to be explained at this point but it's misleading to refer to a member as "unknown" because they weren't on the forum charts. Unknown to us, yes. Obviously not unknown to law enforcement.

If there are currently about 140 or so names on Pogo's Genovese chart, and recent official estimates have the family at 150-175 members, obviously we don't have every last name on there. Doesn't mean the feds aren't aware of most of them.

It's also important to remember that this is the largest and most secretive family and so you can't automatically look at the West Side and say, "If they have a couple dozen unknown guys, then maybe X family does too." That doesn't work.

Why doesnt that work? Again, this is your opinion. Trends prove it is possible. The Mafia is secretive in the first place, the organization in which all families reside. Cherry-picking that it only happens with the Genovese is just that, cherry-picking, hanging on to your opinions in hopes they at some point turn to facts. Again, you want it both ways.

If someone else needs me to explain this to them, I'll be happy to. Though I think, to most, it's pretty obvious. But to keep engaging with the forum's biggest troll (now that Solar is gone, that's you) is just a waste of time and disrails threads. And even if I tried once again, repeated experience has shown you wouldn't understand what is being said. You're not just a troll. You're slow. Painfully slow.