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Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by motorfab » Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:32 am

Wiseguy wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:37 pm
motorfab wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:45 am Has Rochester ever been recognized as an official borgata at some point or are they just to be considered a faction of Buffalo?
Rochester never received official approval from the Commission to form their own family. But they did break off from Buffalo and the feds tracked them as a separate organization.
Ok I see, thank you wiseguy & B.

Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by B. » Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:26 am

Can only speculate, but that might be the reason select members were ID'd as Bonanno members for a time.

Carmine Persico and a few Colombo members were under Carlo Gambino in the 1960s during their conflict... I don't think they transferred but were temporarily under Gambino's protection. There was something similar about Willie Dara and Mike Sabella with the Lucchese Family during the Bonanno war, though not sure it happened.

Given the Commission didn't recognize Rochester and they were at odds with the Buffalo Family, some sort of political arrangement may have put them under the Bonanno banner to protect them and allow their membership to be recognized.

Stands out that they didn't list every Rochester guy w/ the Bonannos, just key members. Were all of the Rochester guys ID'd as Bonanno members made in Buffalo originally? I've got no clue but that would be good to know, i.e. the ones originally inducted by Buffalo were viewed as legitimate and included in the Bonannos while the ones inducted by the Rochester "Family" were illegitimate, which would fit w/ the Commission not recognizing them.

The FBI thought the rumor had enough substance to include them on Bonanno lists but it needs more explanation and you'd think Massino or someone would have heard about it. Like with Montreal, he might well have some knowledge but a random historic tidbit about Rochester wasn't relevant to his testimony. If we can eventually get ahold of his 302s it might be a gamechanger on some of this stuff.

Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Wiseguy » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:37 pm

motorfab wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:45 am Has Rochester ever been recognized as an official borgata at some point or are they just to be considered a faction of Buffalo?
Rochester never received official approval from the Commission to form their own family. But they did break off from Buffalo and the feds tracked them as a separate organization.

Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by motorfab » Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:45 am

Has Rochester ever been recognized as an official borgata at some point or are they just to be considered a faction of Buffalo?

Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Newyorkempire » Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:53 pm

Snakes wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:05 pm
Newyorkempire wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:55 pm Can you post the actual report you have?
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Assuming redacted Capo would be Todaro

Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:14 am

Scratch that. Looking over my notes DeFrancesco was demoted in 1972/3. So the redacted imprisoned Capo would be
Richard Marino. The other redacted Capo was Thomas Maortta.


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Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:40 am

Rochester Faction
Sam J. Russotti - Boss (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Consigliere (imprisoned)
Salvatore Gingello - Capo (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Capo (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Capo

The redacted Consigliere is Rene Piccarreto. The imprisoned redacted Capo is, I believe, Gene DeFranceso. The other redacted Capo is, I believe, Richard Marino. Strange that they have Gingello listed as a Capo since it was established at his trial that he was the UnderBoss.


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Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Newyorkempire » Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:03 pm

Snakes wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:05 pm
Newyorkempire wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:55 pm Can you post the actual report you have?
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Great find

Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Snakes » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:05 pm

Newyorkempire wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:55 pm Can you post the actual report you have?
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Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Newyorkempire » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:55 pm

Can you post the actual report you have?

Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Snakes » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:21 am

Etna wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:19 am
Snakes wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:32 am I should preface this by saying I know next to nothing outside of general knowledge about the Buffalo/Maggadino Family, but I have some reports that describe the family's organization in early 1977 as follows:

Niagara Falls Faction (First time hearing of this. This faction was composed of those members loyal to Maggadino.):
Benjamin Nicoletti, Jr. - Boss
[redacted] - Consigliere

Buffalo Faction (This faction was composed of those allegedly rebelling against Maggadino's rule. This would seem to be the faction recognized by the Commission.)
Joseph Angelo Pieri - Boss
Roy Carlisi - Capo
Joseph J. DiCarlo - Capo
Salvatore (Sam) Pieri - Capo
Charles A. Cassaro - Capo
[redacted] - Capo

Rochester Faction
Sam J. Russotti - Boss (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Consigliere (imprisoned)
Salvatore Gingello - Capo (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Capo (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Capo

Rochester "faction," despite being listed here as part of the Buffalo LCN, is noted by another informant as being "under" the Bonanno Family. Not sure how much new information is here, but I thought it worth sharing.

So the family had all Capos and no Soldiers?
This file only had the leadership listed - no soldiers.

Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Etna » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:19 am

Snakes wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:32 am I should preface this by saying I know next to nothing outside of general knowledge about the Buffalo/Maggadino Family, but I have some reports that describe the family's organization in early 1977 as follows:

Niagara Falls Faction (First time hearing of this. This faction was composed of those members loyal to Maggadino.):
Benjamin Nicoletti, Jr. - Boss
[redacted] - Consigliere

Buffalo Faction (This faction was composed of those allegedly rebelling against Maggadino's rule. This would seem to be the faction recognized by the Commission.)
Joseph Angelo Pieri - Boss
Roy Carlisi - Capo
Joseph J. DiCarlo - Capo
Salvatore (Sam) Pieri - Capo
Charles A. Cassaro - Capo
[redacted] - Capo

Rochester Faction
Sam J. Russotti - Boss (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Consigliere (imprisoned)
Salvatore Gingello - Capo (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Capo (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Capo

Rochester "faction," despite being listed here as part of the Buffalo LCN, is noted by another informant as being "under" the Bonanno Family. Not sure how much new information is here, but I thought it worth sharing.

So the family had all Capos and no Soldiers?

Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Angelo Santino » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:55 am

B. wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:05 am Thanks for sharing it.

Adds to the topic a while back about why Rochester members were listed as Bonanno members into the 1980s. There was also an early 1980s report about one of the Rochester members returning to the Buffalo fold.
The Rochester Valenti bros, of Grottesi descent, were listed as Bonanno members on the 1963 chart.

Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Snakes » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:43 am

Newyorkempire wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:05 am
Snakes wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:32 am I should preface this by saying I know next to nothing outside of general knowledge about the Buffalo/Maggadino Family, but I have some reports that describe the family's organization in early 1977 as follows:

Niagara Falls Faction (First time hearing of this. This faction was composed of those members loyal to Maggadino.):
Benjamin Nicoletti, Jr. - Boss
[redacted] - Consigliere

Buffalo Faction (This faction was composed of those allegedly rebelling against Maggadino's rule. This would seem to be the faction recognized by the Commission.)
Joseph Angelo Pieri - Boss
Roy Carlisi - Capo
Joseph J. DiCarlo - Capo
Salvatore (Sam) Pieri - Capo
Charles A. Cassaro - Capo
[redacted] - Capo

Rochester Faction
Sam J. Russotti - Boss (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Consigliere (imprisoned)
Salvatore Gingello - Capo (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Capo (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Capo

Rochester "faction," despite being listed here as part of the Buffalo LCN, is noted by another informant as being "under" the Bonanno Family. Not sure how much new information is here, but I thought it worth sharing.
Highly doubtful Nicoletti Jr. was boss over this father in '77
Sorry, that was a typo. It should be Sr., but I can no longer edit it.

Re: Buffalo Family organization, early 1977

by Newyorkempire » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:05 am

Snakes wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:32 am I should preface this by saying I know next to nothing outside of general knowledge about the Buffalo/Maggadino Family, but I have some reports that describe the family's organization in early 1977 as follows:

Niagara Falls Faction (First time hearing of this. This faction was composed of those members loyal to Maggadino.):
Benjamin Nicoletti, Jr. - Boss
[redacted] - Consigliere

Buffalo Faction (This faction was composed of those allegedly rebelling against Maggadino's rule. This would seem to be the faction recognized by the Commission.)
Joseph Angelo Pieri - Boss
Roy Carlisi - Capo
Joseph J. DiCarlo - Capo
Salvatore (Sam) Pieri - Capo
Charles A. Cassaro - Capo
[redacted] - Capo

Rochester Faction
Sam J. Russotti - Boss (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Consigliere (imprisoned)
Salvatore Gingello - Capo (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Capo (imprisoned)
[redacted] - Capo

Rochester "faction," despite being listed here as part of the Buffalo LCN, is noted by another informant as being "under" the Bonanno Family. Not sure how much new information is here, but I thought it worth sharing.
Highly doubtful Nicoletti Jr. was boss over this father in '77

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