by Wiseguy » Tue May 11, 2021 11:05 am
bluehouse wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:08 am
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 7:32 am
Regarding Chicago, there are 14 guys who can be positively identified as being made. A few others who are possible. And several of them will be dead within another decade. Once the membership that makes of the core of any LCN family is gone, or down to so low numbers as to render them unable to function in any practical sense, it becomes a moot point; regardless of who still recognizes whoever is left.
I get what your saying but they could easily make at least 30 new guys tomorrow guys in their 30s,40s and 50s.Im sure in all of Chicago underworld theres at least 30 Italian guys who would be deserving of their button.Unless the plan is for chicago to die out and the younger italian guys dont want to be in lcn and just prefer to run their rackets independently which will be less of a target for the fbi
No point in engaging in hypotheticals that won't happen.
They've gone from 51 members in 1987, to 28 members in 2007, to around 14 members today. That shows they're not making anyone, at least not in any significant numbers. It's not a "plan" so much as attrition simply taking its toll.
Besides the low number of members, you can see the writing on the wall with the rackets. For example, the occasional gambling busts typically involve at most associates, or more often people with some past ties, though the present day connection to the Outfit isn't all that clear.
Most of the familiar names we see involved with the unions are simply descendants of long dead Outfit figures. While they obviously obtained those positions through mob connections, with only a few exceptions you can see how they've otherwise joined legitimate society and really aren't running things under the direction of organized crime.
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Regarding Chicago, there are 14 guys who can be positively identified as being made. A few others who are possible. And several of them will be dead within another decade. Once the membership that makes of the core of any LCN family is gone, or down to so low numbers as to render them unable to function in any practical sense, it becomes a moot point; regardless of who still recognizes whoever is left.
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I get what your saying but they could easily make at least 30 new guys tomorrow guys in their 30s,40s and 50s.Im sure in all of Chicago underworld theres at least 30 Italian guys who would be deserving of their button.Unless the plan is for chicago to die out and the younger italian guys dont want to be in lcn and just prefer to run their rackets independently which will be less of a target for the fbi
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No point in engaging in hypotheticals that won't happen.
They've gone from 51 members in 1987, to 28 members in 2007, to around 14 members today. That shows they're not making anyone, at least not in any significant numbers. It's not a "plan" so much as attrition simply taking its toll.
Besides the low number of members, you can see the writing on the wall with the rackets. For example, the occasional gambling busts typically involve at most associates, or more often people with some past ties, though the present day connection to the Outfit isn't all that clear.
Most of the familiar names we see involved with the unions are simply descendants of long dead Outfit figures. While they obviously obtained those positions through mob connections, with only a few exceptions you can see how they've otherwise joined legitimate society and really aren't running things under the direction of organized crime.