by gohnjotti » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:16 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:27 pm
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:47 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:56 pm
They’ll just put a guy as acting boss until his precious son Little Allie Boy got out of prison. Maybe one of the Russos.
JoJo Russo is - to me - the most obvious choice for acting boss, if the hit on Little Vic had gone smoothly. I guess Little Vic was picked not only because he was a Persico relative, but also because he was Carmine's contemporary, a big-time earner, had a large backing, and was relatively low-key. JoJo may have been looked over at that point because of his age and relative inexperience.
I don't think Carmine Sessa would have become the acting boss if he successfully murdered Orena because I don't think that's a role that anybody would have trusted him with. He was Greg Scarpa's puppet, his role purely to play the middle between Orena and the Scarpa/Persico camp. He was a ceremonial consigliere.
Joe Tomasello would also be an obvious choice for acting boss, since he was the Persico acting boss during the conflict. But Joe T was a reluctant player in the war, and was looking to retire to Florida. After his release from prison, he would do just that.
Thanks for the info, I read your amazing work on a few Persico faction members that you wrote about that’s why I mentioned one of the Russos, do you think if Carmine Sessa didn’t run to Teddy Persico Sr. And told him about the polls, do you think the captains would of wanted Vic Orena as the official boss?
Yes. Orena would have been voted acting boss, as his support in the family was more widespread. Many captains outside the Persico/Russo sphere of influence felt that Persico ruled by nepotism, which is true. He prioritized the promotions of family members above others. I can imagine it was also strange for Colombo family members that, of all the Commission bosses convicted in 1986, Carmine Persico was the only official boss to retain his title. All four other bosses lost their title, in some way or another. So in this light, members may have seen Persico as greedy. Many newly promoted captains had also seldom met Persico, and had no personal relationship with the guy.
Larry Mazza explains in his autobiography that Orena also cultivated a strong sphere of influence in the years preceding to the war by inducting many members from his faction and making allegiances with other members, promising them promotions if they sided with him. This is true, and it seems that many Orena faction members were pure opportunists. Big Sal Miciotta split from the Persicos in exchange for a promotion to captain. John Minerva split from the Persicos to renege on his loansharking debts to JoJo Russo.
This factionalism within the Colombo family continued through the 2000s. Sebby Saracino explained that when he was first asked by his brother Dino about being inducted into the Colombo family, Sebby initially declined. Dino, however, urged Sebby to take up the offer of induction, stating that if he didn't take it, somebody from "the other side" would get the coveted induction spot. Court papers elaborated this to mean the rival faction dating from the '91-'93 conflict, even though the Dino/Sebby ceremony was more than a decade later. I don't know who was viewed as "the other side" in 2004, but people such as Joseph Baudanza, Craig Marino, and Ben Castellazzo come to mind.
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They’ll just put a guy as acting boss until his precious son Little Allie Boy got out of prison. Maybe one of the Russos.
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JoJo Russo is - to me - the most obvious choice for acting boss, if the hit on Little Vic had gone smoothly. I guess Little Vic was picked not only because he was a Persico relative, but also because he was Carmine's contemporary, a big-time earner, had a large backing, and was relatively low-key. JoJo may have been looked over at that point because of his age and relative inexperience.
I don't think Carmine Sessa would have become the acting boss if he successfully murdered Orena because I don't think that's a role that anybody would have trusted him with. He was Greg Scarpa's puppet, his role purely to play the middle between Orena and the Scarpa/Persico camp. He was a ceremonial consigliere.
Joe Tomasello would also be an obvious choice for acting boss, since he was the Persico acting boss during the conflict. But Joe T was a reluctant player in the war, and was looking to retire to Florida. After his release from prison, he would do just that.
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Thanks for the info, I read your amazing work on a few Persico faction members that you wrote about that’s why I mentioned one of the Russos, do you think if Carmine Sessa didn’t run to Teddy Persico Sr. And told him about the polls, do you think the captains would of wanted Vic Orena as the official boss?
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Yes. Orena would have been voted acting boss, as his support in the family was more widespread. Many captains outside the Persico/Russo sphere of influence felt that Persico ruled by nepotism, which is true. He prioritized the promotions of family members above others. I can imagine it was also strange for Colombo family members that, of all the Commission bosses convicted in 1986, Carmine Persico was the only official boss to retain his title. All four other bosses lost their title, in some way or another. So in this light, members may have seen Persico as greedy. Many newly promoted captains had also seldom met Persico, and had no personal relationship with the guy.
Larry Mazza explains in his autobiography that Orena also cultivated a strong sphere of influence in the years preceding to the war by inducting many members from his faction and making allegiances with other members, promising them promotions if they sided with him. This is true, and it seems that many Orena faction members were pure opportunists. Big Sal Miciotta split from the Persicos in exchange for a promotion to captain. John Minerva split from the Persicos to renege on his loansharking debts to JoJo Russo.
This factionalism within the Colombo family continued through the 2000s. Sebby Saracino explained that when he was first asked by his brother Dino about being inducted into the Colombo family, Sebby initially declined. Dino, however, urged Sebby to take up the offer of induction, stating that if he didn't take it, somebody from "the other side" would get the coveted induction spot. Court papers elaborated this to mean the rival faction dating from the '91-'93 conflict, even though the Dino/Sebby ceremony was more than a decade later. I don't know who was viewed as "the other side" in 2004, but people such as Joseph Baudanza, Craig Marino, and Ben Castellazzo come to mind.