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Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by Lupara » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:22 am

Great analysis as always.

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by dixiemafia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:27 am

Don't forget I think they immigrated in through New Orleans too if I'm not mistaken

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by B. » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:49 am

antimafia wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:03 pm Unless I've made a mistake in my "calcuations," I'm fairly certain that Rosario Arcuri was the uncle of the Montreal-area-based Domenico Arcuri who died in Florida in 2012.

I hadn't ever checked Rosario Arcuri's ancestry till this evening and I did so because you had written that his mother was a Guaragna. Here's a link to a death record for Arcuri on FamilySearch.org:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WGC-DGQ

Here's a link to an Evernote item of mine that shows cemetery entries for decedents at Le repos Saint-François d'Assise with the surname Arcuri on June 22, 2016, the day I captured the information via Evernote:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s229/sh/ ... 8dd30d705b

So Rosario Arcuri and Filippa Arcuri, the mother of the aforementioned Domenico Arcuri, were siblings--Rosario and Filippa's mother was Giovanna Guaragna, and their father was a Giacinto Arcuri.

The Domenico Arcuri born in 1900 is the father of Giuseppe Arcuri of New York, the aformentioned Domenico Arcuri of,the Montreal area, and Giacinto Arcuri of the Montreal area (not to be confused with the still-living Giacinto Arcuri of Toronto). There is other interesting information in the cemetery entries--for example, the maternal grandmother of the aforementioned Domenico Arcuri of the Montreal area was an Alfano (first name: Giovanna), and you'll recall that this Arcuri's wife, Carmela Alfano, is believed to be related to the deceased Nicolino (Nick) Alfano of the New York Bonannos (Is Carmela the sister or niece of Nick? I thought the former but I'm not sure anymore, especially because of the presumably large age difference between Nicolino and Carmela).

If Rosario Arcuri was indeed the killer or one of the killers of Vito Rizzuto Sr., then, yes, it's crazy to think that the uncle of the Domenico Arcuri who died in 2012 killed or helped kill Nick Rizzuto Sr.'s father (Vito Rizzuto's grandfather).
Not to mention if Calogero Renda was somehow involved in the murder of Rosario Arcuri in retaliation for his brother-in-law's murder. There could be even more layers to this story. Not that today's Arcuris necessarily held a grudge for some great uncle's murder, but it could be an indication that the Arcuri and Rizzuto/Rendas weren't big fans of each other throughout the years.

Just proves yet again that being "paesani" doesn't count for as much as you'd think. It's how these guys network and it's who they associate/congregate with, but there are so many examples of these feuds and killings between townsmen even after immigrating. Familiarity breeds contempt.

So Giacinto Arcuri's (b.1852) mother Anna Alfano married a Domenico Arcuri, and the grandmother of the Montreal Domenico Arcuri was a Giovanna Alfano. Do you think Giovanna and Anna Alfano are the same woman, with Anna being the nickname? Either way, there is at least one, possibly two, historical relationships between Arcuris and the last name Alfano, then there is Nick Alfano's sister and niece both marrying into the Arcuri family. Even though Nick Alfano was from Racalmuto it may be worth looking into whether he was related to Giovanna/Anna Alfano, as people can move around.

Because Vito Rizzuto and Calogero Renda associated with Alfano doesn't necessarily mean they were Bonannos, but here is how I see it:
- According to info from JD, Rizzuto and Renda associated with longtime Bonanno leader Nick Alfano.
- Rizzuto, Renda, and R.Arcuri's Bronx contemporary from Cattolica, Nick Buttafuoco, was made with the Bonannos under Alfano, indicating that the other three may have been associated/made with the Bonannos as well.
- Rizzuto's son, grandson, and other relatives all ended up as Bonanno members in Montreal. Renda's son and other relatives (intertwined with Rizzuto obviously) were also allegedly Bonanno members.
- Rosario Arcuri's possible relatives all ended up as Bonanno members in both the US and Canada.
- Calogero Renda himself may have been a Bonanno member in Montreal after moving there; he was at least associated with them.
- Other Cattolica Eracleans like LoPresti, Bronx-based Sciascia, and allegedly others were made into the Bonanno family.
- Bronx-based Bonanno member Manny Guaragna's father came from Cattolica. Never seen any indications that Giovanni Guaragna was a member, but as we've talked about the Guaragnas were related somewhere down the line to other Cattolica mobsters.

It seems to me that Cattolica Eraclea somehow got intertwined with the Bonanno family early on, with most examples of "off the boat" Sicilians from Cattolica ending up associates/made under the Bonanno banner in both the Bronx and Canada over a number of generations. This is interesting too because not only are the Bonannos rarely associated with the Agrigento region, but they also have had a relatively thin presence in the Bronx over the years. It's not like these guys happened to be operating in Williamsburg or Middle Village and got absorbed by the Bonanno family's dominance there -- they must have had a very specific connection that originally brought them into the Bonanno fold.

Since Alfano and a couple or more members of his crew were from Agrigento and had a presence in New Jersey, among other places, it makes me wonder if there are ties to the crew run by Angelo Salvo which had members from Agrigento and a presence in Jersey as well.

Does anyone know where Anthony Crisci and John Petrone's parents were from? Petrone was born in 1896 but I believe it was in the US. He was an early Bonanno Bronx member but I'm not sure what crew and am wondering if he could fit in somewhere here as well. Crisci was an Alfano crew member I believe, so also curious about his origins.

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by HairyKnuckles » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:23 pm

I agree with B. Let's respect this thread 's original topic and discuss the early history of Montreal. Current Montreal stuff can be discussed in any other of the Montreal threads.

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by antimafia » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:03 pm

B. wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:47 pm Maybe this is known, but a "Rosario Arcurio" was suspected in the Bronx killing of the elder Vito Rizzuto (father of Nick) in 1933. "Arcurio" was later killed in the Bronx in 1934. His true name was Rosario Arcuri (~1896) and he appears to have been from Cattolica Eraclea like Rizzuto and the more well-known Arcuris. Arcuri's father was a Giacinto Arcuri and his mother was a Guaragna. Future Bronx Bonanno member Emanuel Gauragna's family came from Cattolica, so there could be a relation there.

A Giacinto Arcuri born 1852 in Cattolica Eraclea to a Domenico Arcuri and Anna Alfano is a possibility for Rosario's father... a little bit old, but it wasn't uncommon for Sicilian immigrant men to have sons a bit later in life from what I've seen (maybe Christie or someone knows a reason for this). The name Alfano stands out because JD has mentioned that Nick Alfano had ties to the elder Vito Rizzuto and Alfano's soldier Nick Buttafuoco, both from Cattolica. Alfano also served as an emissary to Montreal and had ties to the Canadian Magaddino faction. Alfano is a very common name and Nick Alfano was not from Cattolica, so there may be no connection to Anna Alfano, just thought it was worth mentioning. I've found butchered variations of the last name Buttafuoco (i.e. "Bufugo" in one case) connected to some of these other familiar Cattolica last names, also, but no connection established between immediate relatives of the known mafia members from Cattolica. Not sure if Alfano was a captain yet in 1933/34, but would be interesting if Rizzuto and/or Arcuri were under him or if Alfano wasn't yet a captain, maybe they were all with the same crew. The later Bronx crew split off from the Galante/Notaro crew, but seems like Alfano had a presence there earlier.

Does anyone know the exact year Calogero Renda left the US? I'm wondering if it was before or after Rosario Arcuri's murder. Seems possible that Arcuri could have been killed in response to his alleged role as Rizzuto's killer. My knowledge of the current Montreal war(s) is pretty limited, but weren't the current Arcuris fighting against the Rizzuto faction? Pretty crazy that issues between the Arcuris and Rizzutos may have gone back 70+ years.

It seems like we have more questions that come up the more we learn about the mob, but I also feel like there are less coincidences the deeper you go. That the elder Vito Rizzuto would be associated with a top Bonanno figure with ties to Canada and other Cattolica Eracleans, then for his relatives and paesans to be under the same organization in Canada seems like more than a coincidence to me. Not suggesting Alfano necessarily set them up in Montreal, as there could be and probably are a lot more components but seems there's something there.
Unless I've made a mistake in my "calcuations," I'm fairly certain that Rosario Arcuri was the uncle of the Montreal-area-based Domenico Arcuri who died in Florida in 2012.

I hadn't ever checked Rosario Arcuri's ancestry till this evening and I did so because you had written that his mother was a Guaragna. Here's a link to a death record for Arcuri on FamilySearch.org:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WGC-DGQ

Here's a link to an Evernote item of mine that shows cemetery entries for decedents at Le repos Saint-François d'Assise with the surname Arcuri on June 22, 2016, the day I captured the information via Evernote:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s229/sh/ ... 8dd30d705b

So Rosario Arcuri and Filippa Arcuri, the mother of the aforementioned Domenico Arcuri, were siblings--Rosario and Filippa's mother was Giovanna Guaragna, and their father was a Giacinto Arcuri.

The Domenico Arcuri born in 1900 is the father of Giuseppe Arcuri of New York, the aformentioned Domenico Arcuri of,the Montreal area, and Giacinto Arcuri of the Montreal area (not to be confused with the still-living Giacinto Arcuri of Toronto). There is other interesting information in the cemetery entries--for example, the maternal grandmother of the aforementioned Domenico Arcuri of the Montreal area was an Alfano (first name: Giovanna), and you'll recall that this Arcuri's wife, Carmela Alfano, is believed to be related to the deceased Nicolino (Nick) Alfano of the New York Bonannos (Is Carmela the sister or niece of Nick? I thought the former but I'm not sure anymore, especially because of the presumably large age difference between Nicolino and Carmela).

If Rosario Arcuri was indeed the killer or one of the killers of Vito Rizzuto Sr., then, yes, it's crazy to think that the uncle of the Domenico Arcuri who died in 2012 killed or helped kill Nick Rizzuto Sr.'s father (Vito Rizzuto's grandfather).

Re: RE: Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by Lupara » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:53 pm

scagghiuni wrote:maybe the bonanno's, through montagna and the arcuri's, wanted to take over montreal mafia again
They were most definitely trying to revive the crew. It would have succeeded had they maintained the alliance with Desjardins. The Rizzuto organization was extremely fragile at the time.

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by B. » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:23 pm

There are enough topics speculating about the Montreal war and/or the Bonanno family's current jurisdiction (or lack thereof) over Montreal. I don't mean to be a dick, but we probably have a dozen multi-page topics with the same speculation over and over. I'd like to ask the moderator to delete or move any further discussion on the Montreal war rabbit hole.

I'd like to stick to the history of these groups, especially as they relate to the early presence of future Montreal members/associates and their relatives in NYC. Thanks -- I know it's hard to not discuss the current situation.

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by MarcoW » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:22 pm

MarcoW wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:52 am The Rizzutos near of Death now. And in the OC World of Canada no one interest what is happening with the New York City Familys.

In the Past yes, but now 2017. The things will change.

The Time will Show who is behind that all.

No one know for sure what is going on.

Regards

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by MarcoW » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:52 am

The Rizzutos near of Death now. And in the OC World of Canada no one interest what is happening with the New York City Familys.

In the Past yes, but now 2017. The things will change.

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by MarcoW » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:48 am

The Time will show the Ndrangheta is behind most of that Killings, this Guys will have the Power in the near Future.

The Calabrian Guys have the Control in Ontario , and also in Montreal in the next Times. You will see.

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by Frank » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:26 am

Besides does anyone know for a fact that the Rizzuto's we're a Family or still just part of the Bonanno's??

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by Frank » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:18 am

I think the Rizzuto's we're pretty week when this all started,with Vito and other leaders in prison and now even weaker with Vito's death and all the killing over the last 8 years. Also the incarceration of the next generation of leadership. I don't think the Bonanno Family sanctioned any of the attempted Rizzuto takeover though. Nobody at this time knows for sure who is behind all this. Dejardin is in prison and Montagna was killed 6 years ago,they are the only ones confirmed to actually want to take over the Rizzuto's. Nobody knows who was responsible for killing Rizzuto's son and dad. And the killing has kept going on. Could be the Cotroni faction or Ndrangeta or others.

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by scagghiuni » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:51 am

the bonanno's are anyway more made members than montreal mafia, they are weaker than the past, but they could try through men to re-control montreal
ndrangheta is strong in ontario, in montreal is not so strong to take over the rizzuto's
i don't think ndrangheta is involved in the montreal war, not directly

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by MarcoW » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:30 am

The Bonannos take over the Montreal Mafia? I think not. The Bonannos are a weak Family, the Montreal Mafia was a Powerhouse before all the deaths. Maybe Richer and more Powerful than all of the Five Familys. No chance the Bonnanos will take over anithing in Canada.

Maybe the Calabrians will take over in Canada, but sure no one from the more and more weaker New Yorker Familys.

Re: Rizzuto / Arcuri murders in the 1930s

by scagghiuni » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:21 am

maybe the bonanno's, through montagna and the arcuri's, wanted to take over montreal mafia again

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