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Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by Ivan » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:44 am

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:11 pm Which Buffalo guys, if any, are still active in crime?
From what I understand, Butchie BiFulco is an incorrigible career criminal who will never stop doing what he does.

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by sdeitche » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:43 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:49 pm
I'd love to see how many members, functioning crews/capos etc there were for the various families IE Bufalino, Trafficate, NO etc etc
One of the issues for a family like the Trafficantes is that being "made' was not much of an indication of influence or activity within the family. There were Cuban and Spanish associates who were closer to Trafficante than some members (guys like JOhnny Rivera, Caesar Rodriguez, etc.). Also, apart from the one making ceremony in the mid 1990s where Mamone was inducted by Steve Raffa, there are no dates for any other official ceremony in Tampa, at least that I know of- there may be some evidence in a file somewhere. So gettin gan accurate number of made guys in the early years is difficult. By the 1990s law enforcement has a pretty good list of who was active and who was not.

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by ledblimp » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:40 pm

ledblimp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:54 am
cavita wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:17 pm
ledblimp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:37 pm
Antiliar wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:34 pm This is an example of an FBI document where they identified made members using confidential sources. These are not 100% accurate, but they are generally reliable: http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... ,_frank%22
Antiliar, if simply being mentioned in those files is proof that they were Made then count these as so from the list I posted.
Joe Pecararo
Frank and Sal Liberto
Tony Catalanotto
Nick Christiana
Anthony Ranzino
Vic Carona
Sam Termine
Anthony Nunzio Mustachia

I'm on limited search on there so can't do more today but almost positive I recall seeing:
Nick Bonura
Nick Graffignini
Nemo Nolte
Vince Anfara
Vince Misuraca
Was Anthony Ranzino married to Lena Todora?
Mary Michel, but that's dated info. I;ll see if I can possibly find anything later tonight after work,
Info I have is Ranzino died in 76, the Mary Michel info woulda been from around late 50's/early 60's.....I guess anything is possible, he got divorced and hooked up with someone else.....but seems unlikely. I'm currently looking for his tomb, when I find it I'll look for that name or any Todaro name.

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by ledblimp » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:34 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:08 am Sorry for the question but more families died because after the 80s NY put a freeze on making new guys or families like Cleveland,Pittsburgh,New Orleans ecc had guys to made but after the boss death were are no high ranking members for run the family ?
I can't say for the others but Marcello in NOLA was known to be tight on making guys. I've gotten the names of very few he made and it was in no way keeping up with the guys that died off. I know there were several others but haven't been able to get names as of yet. After he died there's some debate as to Joe Marcello taking over as Carlos wanted it. He may have for a very short period but Anthony Carollo pushed him aside and made Frank Gagliano Underboss. Joe was still involved in things but not sure to what extant though he was busted along with the others in the video poker skimming bust in the early 90's. But the Family was pretty much done anyways after Carlos died. It just took awhile longer.

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by furiofromnaples » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:08 am

Sorry for the question but more families died because after the 80s NY put a freeze on making new guys or families like Cleveland,Pittsburgh,New Orleans ecc had guys to made but after the boss death were are no high ranking members for run the family ?

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by ledblimp » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:54 am

cavita wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:17 pm
ledblimp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:37 pm
Antiliar wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:34 pm This is an example of an FBI document where they identified made members using confidential sources. These are not 100% accurate, but they are generally reliable: http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... ,_frank%22
Antiliar, if simply being mentioned in those files is proof that they were Made then count these as so from the list I posted.
Joe Pecararo
Frank and Sal Liberto
Tony Catalanotto
Nick Christiana
Anthony Ranzino
Vic Carona
Sam Termine
Anthony Nunzio Mustachia

I'm on limited search on there so can't do more today but almost positive I recall seeing:
Nick Bonura
Nick Graffignini
Nemo Nolte
Vince Anfara
Vince Misuraca
Was Anthony Ranzino married to Lena Todora?
Mary Michel, but that's dated info. I;ll see if I can possibly find anything later tonight after work,

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by gohnjotti » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:11 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:07 pm Isn't there a debate on them still active in a smaller way?
A handful of people think they're still active but they were essentially declared dead in 2006. It does seem a bit strange that there are a whole lot of (formerly) high-ranking guys out on the street but none of them seem to want to rebuild or re-organize the family. Side question: Which Buffalo guys, if any, are still active in crime?

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by Frank » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:07 pm

Isn't there a debate on them still active in a smaller way?

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by gohnjotti » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:53 pm

What was the most recent making ceremony Buffalo had before it became defunct? Because it doesn't look like they were planning on slowing down in the 1990s until the Laborers bust.

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by cavita » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:17 pm

ledblimp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:37 pm
Antiliar wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:34 pm This is an example of an FBI document where they identified made members using confidential sources. These are not 100% accurate, but they are generally reliable: http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... ,_frank%22
Antiliar, if simply being mentioned in those files is proof that they were Made then count these as so from the list I posted.
Joe Pecararo
Frank and Sal Liberto
Tony Catalanotto
Nick Christiana
Anthony Ranzino
Vic Carona
Sam Termine
Anthony Nunzio Mustachia

I'm on limited search on there so can't do more today but almost positive I recall seeing:
Nick Bonura
Nick Graffignini
Nemo Nolte
Vince Anfara
Vince Misuraca
Was Anthony Ranzino married to Lena Todora?

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by Antiliar » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:48 pm

I think the ultimate goal for a lot of made members was to set their children up in legitimate businesses. There's also a smaller pool of Italians and Italian-Americans interested in the OC lifestyle. So yes, you got it.

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by Frank » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:17 pm

Antiliar do you think the end or near end of these Families is do to made member mostly not wanting their kids in the life and also the lack of Italian Americans that actually wanted to get into the life.

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by ledblimp » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:10 pm

Antiliar wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:11 pm It's not "simply being mentioned in those files is proof," it's a specific section where the agents tried to identify members. Jimmy Hoffa is mentioned in many FBI files, but his mere mention is not take to infer that he was made. I also wouldn't call it proof, but evidence. So if the names you mentioned are specifically identified as members in the FBI files, that is evidence.
OK, so there's evidence that those guys were members.

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by Antiliar » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:11 pm

It's not "simply being mentioned in those files is proof," it's a specific section where the agents tried to identify members. Jimmy Hoffa is mentioned in many FBI files, but his mere mention is not take to infer that he was made. I also wouldn't call it proof, but evidence. So if the names you mentioned are specifically identified as members in the FBI files, that is evidence.

Re: Timeline: Decline of families

by ledblimp » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:37 pm

Antiliar wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:34 pm This is an example of an FBI document where they identified made members using confidential sources. These are not 100% accurate, but they are generally reliable: http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html ... ,_frank%22
Antiliar, if simply being mentioned in those files is proof that they were Made then count these as so from the list I posted.
Joe Pecararo
Frank and Sal Liberto
Tony Catalanotto
Nick Christiana
Anthony Ranzino
Vic Carona
Sam Termine
Anthony Nunzio Mustachia

I'm on limited search on there so can't do more today but almost positive I recall seeing:
Nick Bonura
Nick Graffignini
Nemo Nolte
Vince Anfara
Vince Misuraca

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