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B. wrote:Glad you're on here sharing this information.

I'll second that.

PCMarino wrote:Thanks Antillar! I will be posting some additional stuff from my GGF's career shortly.

In an effort to try to determine what my GGF's involvement was in the various cases mentioned in Mike Dash's book, First Family, I'd like to pursue some of the primary resource records that Mike Dash cited in his First Family book. Unfortunately, I listened to it on Audible so I now need to buy the book...unless someone has the Bibliographic section in a .pdf or something Any ideas?

Stay tuned.

Hi, I have the book in epub format, here are the screenshots of the bibliographic section. Hope it helps:

Thanks Antillar! I will be posting some additional stuff from my GGF's career shortly.

In an effort to try to determine what my GGF's involvement was in the various cases mentioned in Mike Dash's book, First Family, I'd like to pursue some of the primary resource records that Mike Dash cited in his First Family book. Unfortunately, I listened to it on Audible so I now need to buy the book...unless someone has the Bibliographic section in a .pdf or something Any ideas?

Stay tuned.

I am familiar with Verrazano, Daniello, Pellegrino, Mancini, Sgroia, Esposito and the rest but Lennert probably knows more. Despite the unruliness and the violence, they made connections to Italian NY detectives usually as "pay offs." I'm not stating this for certain in regards to your relative, I will say be careful what you look for. Law enforcement in those days was in a grey area between right and wrong.

Where did your family come from? Compagna or Salerno by any chance?



Also: welcome to the board and hope you stick around.

Thanks Antillar. As I've mentioned, many of the names in my great-GF's memo books, letters of commendation by/to DA's & the PD are of interest as they are notable early (1915-1920) Italian criminals in Manhattan & Brooklyn. What exactly my GGF's activities were, I have yet to establish. A year or more ago, I came across a website that listed many of the NY County DA trial testimony for capital crimes. Some of those transcripts were of cases he was involved with.

I am VERy interested in learning of any online resources that may be helpful in determining what connection my GGF had to these criminals and cases. Any & all helps welcome. I have some transcribed "Black hand" letters and other things of interest that I'd be willing to share and would welcome any direct contact from any of you!

My tag line "With good intentions few words are enough" is a closing line from one extortion letter. I've use that line (not always verbatim) many, many times when trying to make a point! lol It works!

Thanks to all!

Pat

Glad you're on here sharing this information.

Thanks PC. Very generous to share!

PCMarino wrote:I'm continuing to make progress through Mike Dash's book The First Family, and am in Chapter 12 "Artichoke Kings" where many names like Giuseppe Verrazano, Ralph "The Barber" Daniello, Pellegrino, Mancini, Sgroia, Esposito and others are discussed! All of these names appear in my great-grandfather's records. I look forward to following the paper trail to the primary records in hopes of learning more about my great-grandfather's role.

Are there any subject matter experts in the forum on the Navy Street gang, the Italian District of East Harlem, the PDNY Italian Squad & Italian Secret Service units?

I think that would be Chris Christie, Dave C and myself.

I'm continuing to make progress through Mike Dash's book The First Family, and am in Chapter 12 "Artichoke Kings" where many names like Giuseppe Verrazano, Ralph "The Barber" Daniello, Pellegrino, Mancini, Sgroia, Esposito and others are discussed! All of these names appear in my great-grandfather's records. I look forward to following the paper trail to the primary records in hopes of learning more about my great-grandfather's role.

Are there any subject matter experts in the forum on the Navy Street gang, the Italian District of East Harlem, the PDNY Italian Squad & Italian Secret Service units?

Thank you! i think that I contacted Shillitoni's descendant some time ago. I think he is the person behind the site. Odd how we are both descendants from "opposite" ends of the story!

Thanks for the uploads. Really appreciate them.

You may find this interesting (concerns Oreste Shillitoni): http://gangsteroriginal.com/

Three more pieces from the collection: Oresto SHILLITONI, Ciro TERRANOVA, and Colario TOCCO

Sure Solilai - In essence: Page 1- Nov 30, 1917 - at 4p,, arrested Ciro Terranova, 350 E. 116th St., (age) 32, W(hate), (born) Italy, Ice Dealer, Married, alias Morello, arrested at 5(th) St and 3rd Ave, charged with acting in concert with others, shooting and killing Giuseppe DeMarco and Charles Lombardo at 5;30pm, July 20, 1916, at 54 James St.

Second Page: Homicide, November 30, 1917, at 4;30pm, arrest Vincent Terranova, 350 E 116(th) St., (age) 24, W(hate), (born) Italy, Contractor, arrested 539rd St) and 8(th) Ave and charged with acting in concert with others shooting and killing Giuseppe DeMarco and Charles Lombardi at 5:30pm, July 20, (19)16 at 54 James St.

Awesome stuff you got there PC. Glad your back. I'm not very good at reading cursive handwriting, could someone re write that first page, or try?......Soliai

Great stuff thanks for posting!