by PolackTony » Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:22 pm
Browniety86 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:07 pm
DonPeppino386 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 7:38 am
PolackTony wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:13 pm
Waingro wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:50 pm
It's been a while since I've read Nick Calabrese's testimony but I want to say the women was the wife of John Fecarotta's dead brother and Nick said it was pretty clear they had a physical relationship.
He also said at one point on that trip John Fecarotta freaked out about something and said he shouldn't be there and tried to leave.
Correct. He was said to have been having an affair with the widow of his brother, Robert Fecarotta, who had died in 1983. Peppino noted above the main factors thougjt to have led to him getting clipped, though engaging in improper conduct like this with his brother’s widow, and the mother of John’s nieces and nephew, would presumably have also been a mark against him.
It’s usually not one thing that gets a guy killed, particularly a made guy, but several strikes or contributing problems, with some catalyst serving as the final straw. On top of everything else, he was also allegedly going around talking shit and telling people that he should have been a captain (likely felt slighted that LaPietra was bumped up to capo and he wasn’t); if so, that also wouldn’t have put him in a positive light with a guy like Aiuppa as boss.
Thanks for confirming Tony. Now that I also now recall reading that Stoops had been talking bad and saying he should have been captain.
I also remember reading that the old timers didn't appreciate him disrespecting his wife like that...I thought I heard many of the top echelon in the Outfit didn't have goomares...
Like with other Families, there were guys who did (eg, Cerone, who was UB at the time) and guys who didn’t. Just having a “comare” wouldn’t have been an issue, but the rumors that he was having an affair with his dead brother’s wife would presumably be seen as degenerate. Probably not enough to get a made guy clipped in itself (unlike the 1930s issue where later Madison UB and then-Chicago-member Joe Aiello got chased out of Chicago for not carrying out an honor killing on his wife after it came out that she was running around on him). But it was very likely one of several marks against him that at the least would make the Family’s admin disinclined towards him when other issues arose: eg, behaving erratically and irresponsibly when sent to carry out a hit in Vegas, which was probably the final straw or proximate cause of Fecarotta’s murder. Chicago took that stuff deadly serious and we have accounts that a guy who failed to carry out an ordered hit could expect to take the target’s place.
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It's been a while since I've read Nick Calabrese's testimony but I want to say the women was the wife of John Fecarotta's dead brother and Nick said it was pretty clear they had a physical relationship.
He also said at one point on that trip John Fecarotta freaked out about something and said he shouldn't be there and tried to leave.
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Correct. He was said to have been having an affair with the widow of his brother, Robert Fecarotta, who had died in 1983. Peppino noted above the main factors thougjt to have led to him getting clipped, though engaging in improper conduct like this with his brother’s widow, and the mother of John’s nieces and nephew, would presumably have also been a mark against him.
It’s usually not one thing that gets a guy killed, particularly a made guy, but several strikes or contributing problems, with some catalyst serving as the final straw. On top of everything else, he was also allegedly going around talking shit and telling people that he should have been a captain (likely felt slighted that LaPietra was bumped up to capo and he wasn’t); if so, that also wouldn’t have put him in a positive light with a guy like Aiuppa as boss.
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Thanks for confirming Tony. Now that I also now recall reading that Stoops had been talking bad and saying he should have been captain.
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I also remember reading that the old timers didn't appreciate him disrespecting his wife like that...I thought I heard many of the top echelon in the Outfit didn't have goomares...
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Like with other Families, there were guys who did (eg, Cerone, who was UB at the time) and guys who didn’t. Just having a “comare” wouldn’t have been an issue, but the rumors that he was having an affair with his dead brother’s wife would presumably be seen as degenerate. Probably not enough to get a made guy clipped in itself (unlike the 1930s issue where later Madison UB and then-Chicago-member Joe Aiello got chased out of Chicago for not carrying out an honor killing on his wife after it came out that she was running around on him). But it was very likely one of several marks against him that at the least would make the Family’s admin disinclined towards him when other issues arose: eg, behaving erratically and irresponsibly when sent to carry out a hit in Vegas, which was probably the final straw or proximate cause of Fecarotta’s murder. Chicago took that stuff deadly serious and we have accounts that a guy who failed to carry out an ordered hit could expect to take the target’s place.