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Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by stubbs » Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:52 pm

Also, consider that OC in Canada has been way behind the states. Montreal wasnt really founded until the 50s, so I’m sure it’s taken Canadian law enforcement a few decades to catch on how powerful the mob is up there. This shit is a secret, right? Not like the mob puts out a press release when they open a new branch in a new town. It takes people a while to realize how bad the problem is.

I mean, it took the US about 100 years after the mob came over from Italy to both make RICO a law and to actually figure out how to put it to use in the 80s. Only then did we really start seeing the huge busts and tons of guys flipping.

Same thing in Italy, it took their government forever to even acknowledge the mafia existed or to make membership in a family even a crime. This stuff didnt happen until Falcone and Borsellino in the 80s.

So I don’t think it’s that Canada’s laws are that much more lax, it’s more their policing hasnt caught up to, say, the FBI. I mean, the FBI has like multiple decades of hard core OC investigations under their belt now, but that took them forever to get off their asses and realize how to do multi-year complex invstigations. Like, Joe Pistone undercover for six years durng the seventies changed everything because nothing like that had ever been done before.

Canada will get there eventually, it just takes time.

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:17 pm

No I never got around to it. Though I did see the movie it inspired (Imperium). A good book on the area during the 70s and 80s is The Silent Brotherhood.


Pogo

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by JeremyTheJew » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:19 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:39 pm
B. wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:39 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:17 pm All things considered Spokane is one of the better cities left in this country. Definitely a much better place to live then most of the east coast cities these guys are from.
You'd love Spokane. There used to be a huge skinhead population there in the 1980s and 90s, not sure about today but I'm sure it still leans that way. Eastern Washington is a much different world from the Seattle area. It's true for Oregon as well as I'm sure you know.

Oh I'm familiar with the regions history. :mrgreen: I've followed it like I follow LCN. A few years ago I visited Spokane. Great city indeed. That whole Spokane-Spokane Valley-Coeur d'Alene area is beautiful. Eastern Washington and Northern Idaho is truly Gods country (as is the Northwst in general). 8-)


Pogo
the skinhead history??? did u ever read that book i recomended to u years ago about the guy infiltrated neo nazi gangs?

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by Pogo The Clown » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:39 pm

B. wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:39 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:17 pm All things considered Spokane is one of the better cities left in this country. Definitely a much better place to live then most of the east coast cities these guys are from.
You'd love Spokane. There used to be a huge skinhead population there in the 1980s and 90s, not sure about today but I'm sure it still leans that way. Eastern Washington is a much different world from the Seattle area. It's true for Oregon as well as I'm sure you know.

Oh I'm familiar with the regions history. :mrgreen: I've followed it like I follow LCN. A few years ago I visited Spokane. Great city indeed. That whole Spokane-Spokane Valley-Coeur d'Alene area is beautiful. Eastern Washington and Northern Idaho is truly Gods country (as is the Northwst in general). 8-)


Pogo

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by SonnyBlackstein » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:11 pm

UTC wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:36 pm Canada has much weaker enterprise crime statutes. Plus they have a much greater degree of intact ethnic neighborhoods and recent transplants from Italy. So there is a pool of recruits to fill the ranks from and the bosses are not all in god's waiting room. I also believe that more hits would lead to less convictions and less rats, while not attracting as much law enforcement heat as it would have in the past. Nowadays, the mindset as to rats guarantees that they will be ratted out.
This is a good summation.
Whilst comparatively lower enterprise crime statutes obviously exist in Canada, people downplay the much greater ethnicity of Italian-Canadians. That is to say, Canadian-Italians are more ethnically ‘Italian’ and more recently removed than your typical NYC counterpart.
This plays a huge role in how Canadian Italian OC groups act and behave.


I also agree the NYC LCN has to hit rats. There must be a deterrent to rolling over. Guys will always rat, but the proverbial floodgates can be stemmed, despite the obvious consequences of doing so. My opinion.

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by B. » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:39 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:17 pm All things considered Spokane is one of the better cities left in this country. Definitely a much better place to live then most of the east coast cities these guys are from.


Pogo
You'd love Spokane. There used to be a huge skinhead population there in the 1980s and 90s, not sure about today but I'm sure it still leans that way. Eastern Washington is a much different world from the Seattle area. It's true for Oregon as well as I'm sure you know.

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by Rocco » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:40 am

SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:07 am
Rocco wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:15 am
johnny_scootch wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:29 pm
Rocco wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:01 am Fl is full of rats you kidding me? They all live down there, Mikey Scars, Russo, GIanini crew members, Ricciardi brothers, Paciello, D'Arco, and many more. Allot of them in Pambeach and broward
Do they? HA! I don't keep up with there whereabouts so I wouldn't know but I guess they gotta live somewhere you'd think it'd be some out of the way place like Texas but I guess its hard to make that much of a change for these guys.
They like the warm climate, AZ, Houston TX, South FL etc. No one is worried about getting killed anymore. Its all horseshit just like the mob today lives off their reputation from the 1950s- 1980s. People don't even pay their gambling debts anymore never mind a rat worried about getting killed. Their is a reason why Crea didn't want Sean Richard killed by Datello. The Feds would be all over them 24/7 they wouldn't be able to make a dime.
What get me is that in Canada the mob was has seen about 100 guys killed in the last 10 years
and only a few arrests. Here in the US, there mob avoids murder. If NYC mobs families committed dozens of murders in the last 10 years, there
would be hardly any mob guys left on the street. A very stark contrast between the two countries.
Canada has a liberal government and that has allowed OC to thrive. In Canada you can shoot and kill a guy in an OC hit get 15yrs do 10 and walk out of jail. In the US you get the death penalty or RICO charges that give you 40yrs or life.

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by UTC » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:36 pm

Canada has much weaker enterprise crime statutes. Plus they have a much greater degree of intact ethnic neighborhoods and recent transplants from Italy. So there is a pool of recruits to fill the ranks from and the bosses are not all in god's waiting room. I also believe that more hits would lead to less convictions and less rats, while not attracting as much law enforcement heat as it would have in the past. Nowadays, the mindset as to rats guarantees that they will be ratted out.

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:02 pm

Well there is no accounting for taste. :mrgreen:


Pogo

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by Philly d » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:54 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:17 pm All things considered Spokane is one of the better cities left in this country. Definitely a much better place to live then most of the east coast cities these guys are from.


Pogo
I’d take philly or New York any day.

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by SILENT PARTNERZ » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:40 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:09 am
SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:07 amWhat get me is that in Canada the mob was has seen about 100 guys killed in the last 10 years
and only a few arrests. Here in the US, there mob avoids murder. If NYC mobs families committed dozens of murders in the last 10 years, there
would be hardly any mob guys left on the street. A very stark contrast between the two countries.
It's the laws and law enforcement you get in a liberal country like Canada.
that's true about Canadian LE, WG. Also, the NYC families have so
many rats that the Feds usually know what is going down before
it happens.

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by Wiseguy » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:09 am

SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:07 amWhat get me is that in Canada the mob was has seen about 100 guys killed in the last 10 years
and only a few arrests. Here in the US, there mob avoids murder. If NYC mobs families committed dozens of murders in the last 10 years, there
would be hardly any mob guys left on the street. A very stark contrast between the two countries.
It's the laws and law enforcement you get in a liberal country like Canada.

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by SILENT PARTNERZ » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:07 am

Rocco wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:15 am
johnny_scootch wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:29 pm
Rocco wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:01 am Fl is full of rats you kidding me? They all live down there, Mikey Scars, Russo, GIanini crew members, Ricciardi brothers, Paciello, D'Arco, and many more. Allot of them in Pambeach and broward
Do they? HA! I don't keep up with there whereabouts so I wouldn't know but I guess they gotta live somewhere you'd think it'd be some out of the way place like Texas but I guess its hard to make that much of a change for these guys.
They like the warm climate, AZ, Houston TX, South FL etc. No one is worried about getting killed anymore. Its all horseshit just like the mob today lives off their reputation from the 1950s- 1980s. People don't even pay their gambling debts anymore never mind a rat worried about getting killed. Their is a reason why Crea didn't want Sean Richard killed by Datello. The Feds would be all over them 24/7 they wouldn't be able to make a dime.
What get me is that in Canada the mob was has seen about 100 guys killed in the last 10 years
and only a few arrests. Here in the US, there mob avoids murder. If NYC mobs families committed dozens of murders in the last 10 years, there
would be hardly any mob guys left on the street. A very stark contrast between the two countries.

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:17 pm

All things considered Spokane is one of the better cities left in this country. Definitely a much better place to live then most of the east coast cities these guys are from.


Pogo

Re: Vinny “Ocean” Palermo

by Philly d » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:13 pm

I know for an absolute fact a bunch of guys lived in Spokane, WA. What a dump.

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