THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Sheehan says there is no eyewitness evidence or any incriminating statements to police by his client (or Londonio either, sources say.) The DA's office stated in a news release last year that the duo was "tied to the crime by DNA, phone records, and license plate readers." Sheehan said the evidence is "very sketchy," and perhaps shows that "they were in the same area," or "traveling back and forth from Manhattan to the Bronx."
"They have cell phone evidence indicating that the two defendants were in contact with each other on the day of the incident," said Sheehan, stressing that the prosecution does not have "cell phone conversations" between the men that implicate them in the slaying that took place about 10 PM on November 15, 2013, a Friday night.
Sheehan said he didn't know whether the cell phone evidence came from "confiscated cell phones" or from one belonging to Meldish, or from another source. Meldish knew both defendants and cell phone records would undoubtedly show many calls among them, sources say. "I just know that the indictment was done with some cell phone evidence," said Sheehan.

[quote=cdc post_id=98885 time=1547929770 user_id=5577]
You would think if Londonio used a gun for a hit he would get rid of it and not continue to have it on his person for some time after. If it is the case then we can add him to the list of idiots with Nicodemo.
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Agree. Leave it at the scene. Caldwell giving Londonio the weapon is catastrophically stupid and will likely result in them dying behind bars.

^^^^this

You would think if Londonio used a gun for a hit he would get rid of it and not continue to have it on his person for some time after. If it is the case then we can add him to the list of idiots with Nicodemo.

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[quote=newera_212 post_id=98845 time=1547866630 user_id=5522]
[quote=slimshady_007 post_id=98794 time=1547819157 user_id=5611]
Any chance Caldwell and Londonio beat the murder charges?
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probably not, but the Creas could possibly beat it. and Madonna too if hes being charged. they apparently seem to be sure that Caldwell pulled the trigger and Londonio drove and supplied the gun, I think. but they are having a hard time proving that the Admin and Crea Junior (as londonio's capo) passed the order or even knew about it in advance

id like to know how they seem to know londonio and caldwell did the hit, because they were the only ones there. so all the info would have to be second hand through CWs, and its been proven that 2 of the 3 CWs were lying. one of those 2 made up a different story putting himself and his dad at the scene.

so is all their info on the muder coming from Spinelli? they havent talked about Londonio on wiretaps or tapes. i know Londonio got caught with a gun back in 2015 in the Bronx before he got indicted for this murder. the gun had to have been the Meldish murder weapon...because there is nothing else that puts him close to the murder at all other than snitches who have been unreliable and unstable

if I were Londonio id be sick right now. because its looking like the Creas will skate on the murder and its all going to fall on him...

what if Londonio legitimately didnt do it?
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I read somewhere that the feds had physical evidence against Londonio and Caldwell.
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I have a hunch that its the gun. although they havent came out and said it. but maybe the gun Londonio was caught with matched ballistics from the bullet in Meldish's head? because what else do they have? :?:

i might be wrong on some of the finer points but AFAIK the timeline went something like this:

in 2015, Londonio was busted in the Bronx with a gun in his car, along with Patty Maiorino . This was well before the murder indictment. Capeci at the time mistakenly ID'd Londonio as being a Bonanno solider. then Londonio and Caldwell, jointly, get indicted for the murder by the Bronx DA (i believe?). THEN almost a year later, the Feds tie the murder into a huge multi-count indictment against the Luccheses

There are some weird things involving the Bonnanos...basically connected guys from all over the Bronx...when it comes to the Meldish murdrer:

First, Londonio being spotted frequently and later busted wih Maiorino, and then being falsly ID's as a Bonnano solider from Capeci. The Feds or cops or whoever Capeci's sources are thought Londonio was a Bonnano member working for Maiorino. which means they must have seen him around Bronx Bonnanos a lot

Rumors that Meldish got into a beef with Enzo Stagno. Something involving a tiff at Rao's restarurant, Stagno's girlfriend, and Meldish getting punished / beat up by the Bonnanos. Then the rumor that Meldish abandoned Caldwell in East Harlem when they allegedly tried to kill Stagno together.

Rumors that Meldish had been "walking onto Genovese construction sites." rumors that Meldish "wasnt paying the proper respect" to Matty Madonna. various little tiffs between the Bonannos and Luccheses in the Bronx between 2011-2013, the social club incident, the Rao's thing

I think its weird that during the time of these beefs between the families crews, Londonio was around Maiorino and the Bonnanos enough to be falsly ID'ed as a member. makes me think the beef wasnt that serious and they were trying to resolve it...but then they try to kill Enzo Stagno?? if Meldish leaved Caldwell on the street during a failed hit, and that was one of the reasons for his own murder, it shows Caldwell was definitely a valued associate with a little bit of juice with the higher ups

The Pasqua kid...placing him and his dad at the hit?

The whole thing is really weird. no ones talking about the Bonnano "motive" her either. but i wouldnt be surprised if Meldish was hit to help appease the Bonnanos and other LCN guys in the Bronx who had problems with him. a way to bury the hatchet . the Luccheses were responsible for cleaning up their own mess.

people wondering if Caldwell and Londonio will rat? never. they have obviously kept quiet thus far. they've been locked up for over 3 years waiting to see what will happen and havent said a peep, while everyone else's lawyers have kind of hung them out to dry. i just dont know where the evidence is coming from unless they have the gun? the Lucchese CWs have been bullshit, but maybe there is a Bronx Bonnano CW that gave info too? the feds seem to be sure 100% that londonio and caldwell committed the murder together... they were indicted separately on their own before the big lucchese indictment

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[quote=slimshady_007 post_id=98794 time=1547819157 user_id=5611]
Any chance Caldwell and Londonio beat the murder charges?
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probably not, but the Creas could possibly beat it. and Madonna too if hes being charged. they apparently seem to be sure that Caldwell pulled the trigger and Londonio drove and supplied the gun, I think. but they are having a hard time proving that the Admin and Crea Junior (as londonio's capo) passed the order or even knew about it in advance

id like to know how they seem to know londonio and caldwell did the hit, because they were the only ones there. so all the info would have to be second hand through CWs, and its been proven that 2 of the 3 CWs were lying. one of those 2 made up a different story putting himself and his dad at the scene.

so is all their info on the muder coming from Spinelli? they havent talked about Londonio on wiretaps or tapes. i know Londonio got caught with a gun back in 2015 in the Bronx before he got indicted for this murder. the gun had to have been the Meldish murder weapon...because there is nothing else that puts him close to the murder at all other than snitches who have been unreliable and unstable

if I were Londonio id be sick right now. because its looking like the Creas will skate on the murder and its all going to fall on him...

what if Londonio legitimately didnt do it?
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I read somewhere that the feds had physical evidence against Londonio and Caldwell.

[quote=slimshady_007 post_id=98794 time=1547819157 user_id=5611]
Any chance Caldwell and Londonio beat the murder charges?
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probably not, but the Creas could possibly beat it. and Madonna too if hes being charged. they apparently seem to be sure that Caldwell pulled the trigger and Londonio drove and supplied the gun, I think. but they are having a hard time proving that the Admin and Crea Junior (as londonio's capo) passed the order or even knew about it in advance

id like to know how they seem to know londonio and caldwell did the hit, because they were the only ones there. so all the info would have to be second hand through CWs, and its been proven that 2 of the 3 CWs were lying. one of those 2 made up a different story putting himself and his dad at the scene.

so is all their info on the muder coming from Spinelli? they havent talked about Londonio on wiretaps or tapes. i know Londonio got caught with a gun back in 2015 in the Bronx before he got indicted for this murder. the gun had to have been the Meldish murder weapon...because there is nothing else that puts him close to the murder at all other than snitches who have been unreliable and unstable

if I were Londonio id be sick right now. because its looking like the Creas will skate on the murder and its all going to fall on him...

what if Londonio legitimately didnt do it?

[quote=slimshady_007 post_id=98794 time=1547819157 user_id=5611]
Any chance Caldwell and Londonio beat the murder charges?
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Not so sure about those two, but unless those two roll on
the Crea's & Madonna, or the feds have tapes of the three
bosses talking about the murder, don't see a conviction on
that charge.
But with the construction charges, Crea, Sr. may have a
problem with the two contracting co. owners testimony.
Crea, Sr. best hope that Levin is as good at discrediting
witnesses as Eddie Jacobs is.

Any chance Caldwell and Londonio beat the murder charges?

Feds wasting millions on this, surely they walk on the murder charge.

[quote=Chaps post_id=98753 time=1547768464 user_id=68]
In case anyone is interested, I posted the referenced Memorandum in Limine in the FBI Files section for all to peruse.
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Thanks chaps greatly appreciated

[quote=Nicholas post_id=98755 time=1547770702 user_id=5164]
Mama’s Boys of The Bronx?
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it was a short lived reality show, forget the channel, about 6-7 years ago that built off the stereotypes of how hard it is for Italian boys/men to leave home.

a lot of italian guys historically just stay home, even into adulthood, and only leave when they get married. and from there, they may simply move to a house on the same street or an apartment in the same building. thats the stereotype anyway.

the show had a handful of guys in their 30s from the Bronx who all lived at home...it just trailed their lives. they werent deadbeat guys who had no choice but to live in their parents basement, they all worked or hustled and had active social lives...they just were Mama's boys and couldnt give up the home cooked meals, laundry and attention. AFAIK, Zocollilo was the only "connected" guy on the show. he knew a ton of people but "officially" i think he was a Genovese associate reporting to sal larca or pat falcetti

Zocollilo was a pretty interesting snitch. he wasnt a big shot or anything, but he was plugged into a lot.and knew a lot of guys. he had pot dealings with Sal Larca and the Baciano kids, he knew Londonio from the neighborhood, he was friends with that younger Bronx Bonanno capo who was in the Santora crew bust, had a failed loanshark hustle with Pat Falcetti, and supposedly had direct contact with Ernie Muscarella and Ernie's son who are both alleged to be "important" in the Genovese family.

I'd love to get any info on Zoccolilo, court transcripts or those 5k1 summaries. that'd be amazing. there would be info on just about everything going on in the Bronx. his info kinda proves how much the families work together, especially the young guys and drugs. Sal Larca was the point man for pot for associates from 3 diff families.

Mama’s Boys of The Bronx?

In case anyone is interested, I posted the referenced Memorandum in Limine in the FBI Files section for all to peruse.

1981 slaying of mobster Joseph Montagna...relation to sal???