by newera_212 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:56 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:54 pm
newera_212 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:44 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:22 am
newera_212 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:27 pm
HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:57 am
Not sure about the relation (Elio and the Albaneses mentioned above). Elio was born in 1950 so cant do the needed research by using NY census (the 1950 NY census is not available on the net yet). However, Elio was part of another smaller crew, with Carmine Russo' and the Romanos. These guys were under Harry Lanza/Toddo Marino/Tommy Conrtaldo and Malangone. This crew was also around Knickerbocker Village and also had a grip on the FFM.
the ny times picture of elio and carmine russo selling fireworks to kids is hilarious. not to mention them trying to rob the payroll of that very newspaper. seemed like a real grimey crew of guys
Can you kindly post the picture?
Cheers
its from an old NYT article about the discrepancy in incomes in LCN, and how theres a typical class system in LCN - just like in "regular" life. even within the same crime family there is a huge disparity.
the article's made its rounds on the forums im sure, but here it is:
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/nyregion/10mob.html
i liked the parts on the article specifically about this Genovese crew, because we tend to think of them as a step above the rest, and more advanced...just outright better than the other 4 families. but they're what...arguably 200 members deep? its probably safe to say that over half of them are guys just like this, low down knuckle dragging thugs living score-to-score.
even anthony antico who was a member of their administration got caught up on the phone instructing his crew members to home invasion rob some poor guy who won a big bet at the horse track
imagine being 70 years old stuck in brooklyn or stuck in some rent controlled apartment downtown, plotting armed robberies to make ends meet. while a guy 25 years younger than you from your same induction ceremony is running contracting companies, partners in all sorts of business, etc.. LMAO. seems like a rough life for a lot of these guys, even the Genovese
I think the class system in the LCN is certainly true. However, as I've mentioned before, I think most mob guys seem to be more or less middle class. A minority on either end of the spectrum are wealthy or brokesters. So even the Genovese family, long said to be the richest family, will have guys like this.
But I don't think we should assume Antico ordered the Antonelli robbery to make ends meet. It was reportedly repercussion for Antonelli not paying tribute for the privilege of selling jems and watches in Antico's social club. And I suspect a piece of the $1.6 million Antonelli won was a tempting target.
the antonelli robbery was different from the $1.6 million horse player guy. the horse guy was from Brooklyn and was 'friends' with Ralph Lento (afaik a Lucchese solider, but was working with Antico on this specific score) and another Genovese soldier from Bay Ridge whos name i do not recall. Lento and the Genovese guy had met the winner at the old Bay Ridge OTB and brought the robbery idea to Antico, who then later kept pressing for it.
the antonellli robbery actually happened, but to quote Albert Barese the horse better robbery "died on the vine"
more details here ...cross examination of one of this forum's favorites, Michael DiLeonardo, at Antico's trial. its a shame the document cuts off and is short...its just as interesting as DiLeonardo's other big trial transcript from one of the Gotti trials:
http://www.kccba.org/wp-content/uploads ... cMahon.pdf
in Anticos defense on this one, he did just get out of jail and probably needed the money.
i wonder if at this time the guy Ralph Lento was a Genovese associate but later on ended up being made with the Luccheses (i think he was in whatever crew John Cerella or Joe Caridi ran)
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Not sure about the relation (Elio and the Albaneses mentioned above). Elio was born in 1950 so cant do the needed research by using NY census (the 1950 NY census is not available on the net yet). However, Elio was part of another smaller crew, with Carmine Russo' and the Romanos. These guys were under Harry Lanza/Toddo Marino/Tommy Conrtaldo and Malangone. This crew was also around Knickerbocker Village and also had a grip on the FFM.
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the ny times picture of elio and carmine russo selling fireworks to kids is hilarious. not to mention them trying to rob the payroll of that very newspaper. seemed like a real grimey crew of guys
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Can you kindly post the picture?
Cheers
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[img]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2006/12/10/nyregion/10mob1.650.jpg[/img]
its from an old NYT article about the discrepancy in incomes in LCN, and how theres a typical class system in LCN - just like in "regular" life. even within the same crime family there is a huge disparity.
the article's made its rounds on the forums im sure, but here it is:
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/nyregion/10mob.html
i liked the parts on the article specifically about this Genovese crew, because we tend to think of them as a step above the rest, and more advanced...just outright better than the other 4 families. but they're what...arguably 200 members deep? its probably safe to say that over half of them are guys just like this, low down knuckle dragging thugs living score-to-score.
even anthony antico who was a member of their administration got caught up on the phone instructing his crew members to home invasion rob some poor guy who won a big bet at the horse track
imagine being 70 years old stuck in brooklyn or stuck in some rent controlled apartment downtown, plotting armed robberies to make ends meet. while a guy 25 years younger than you from your same induction ceremony is running contracting companies, partners in all sorts of business, etc.. LMAO. seems like a rough life for a lot of these guys, even the Genovese
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I think the class system in the LCN is certainly true. However, as I've mentioned before, I think most mob guys seem to be more or less middle class. A minority on either end of the spectrum are wealthy or brokesters. So even the Genovese family, long said to be the richest family, will have guys like this.
But I don't think we should assume Antico ordered the Antonelli robbery to make ends meet. It was reportedly repercussion for Antonelli not paying tribute for the privilege of selling jems and watches in Antico's social club. And I suspect a piece of the $1.6 million Antonelli won was a tempting target.
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the antonelli robbery was different from the $1.6 million horse player guy. the horse guy was from Brooklyn and was 'friends' with Ralph Lento (afaik a Lucchese solider, but was working with Antico on this specific score) and another Genovese soldier from Bay Ridge whos name i do not recall. Lento and the Genovese guy had met the winner at the old Bay Ridge OTB and brought the robbery idea to Antico, who then later kept pressing for it.
the antonellli robbery actually happened, but to quote Albert Barese the horse better robbery "died on the vine"
more details here ...cross examination of one of this forum's favorites, Michael DiLeonardo, at Antico's trial. its a shame the document cuts off and is short...its just as interesting as DiLeonardo's other big trial transcript from one of the Gotti trials:
http://www.kccba.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Practice-materials-and-transcripts-McMahon.pdf
in Anticos defense on this one, he did just get out of jail and probably needed the money.
i wonder if at this time the guy Ralph Lento was a Genovese associate but later on ended up being made with the Luccheses (i think he was in whatever crew John Cerella or Joe Caridi ran)